notre dame coach suspended
Gimme a break

Troy, NY

#67 Oct 8, 2013
Player mom wrote:
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Do you know how fast those parents would be have a lawsuit files if their son got injured after not practicing for a week? Coach Abraham did the right thing - no responsible and accountable coach would put his players at risk in this situation. Coach wasn't choosing to dodge orders (he was never given) but was putting the safety of the players first! I am proud to have my son playing for him and would be appalled if he played my son in a game after not being on a football field for 8 days/missing practice. Again- sometimes doing the RIGHT thing isn't the popular thing - although in this circumstance it is.... But it's still the right thing!
Those kids were at ROTC boot camp, not a sewing circle. They get plenty of exercise, calisthenics and running everyday. This is a bullshit excuse and Byron knows it. He was told by The AD, Roy and Sister not to sit those kids out. If he's singing a different tune now then he's full of sh*t. There was no risk, this was about his ego and a stupid attempt to flex his authority.
ND got this wrong

Whitesboro, NY

#68 Oct 8, 2013
NDFan wrote:
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He's an employee. Employees do what the boss tells them to do. End of story.
If my boss told me to let the employee who had been out all week do the presentation you bet I would.
NDFan, I agree with that statement. However, here's the catch.......he was never told to play the kids by his boss. No one told Byron that these kids had to play. Ask any football coach what they would do in that situation. You will get a consistent answer.
Know nothing

Herkimer, NY

#69 Oct 8, 2013
NDFan wrote:
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He's an employee. Employees do what the boss tells them to do. End of story.
If my boss told me to let the employee who had been out all week do the presentation you bet I would.
You know nothing about football. The reason for 'no practice, no play' is in place for safety of the players. Im no fan of Abraham, but, he got this right this time.
Steinbrenner

Whitesboro, NY

#70 Oct 8, 2013
Ordering Abraham to play these players is kind of like Hank Steinbrenner telling Joe Girardi how to do his job. Yes, he supplies his paycheck, but does not know a thing about coaching. Coaches are not puppets.
save it

Herkimer, NY

#71 Oct 8, 2013
Gimme a break wrote:
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Those kids were at ROTC boot camp, not a sewing circle. They get plenty of exercise, calisthenics and running everyday. This is a bullshit excuse and Byron knows it. He was told by The AD, Roy and Sister not to sit those kids out. If he's singing a different tune now then he's full of sh*t. There was no risk, this was about his ego and a stupid attempt to flex his authority.
This is all about Gilroys. Generation after generation, they think they should be given a pass on everything they do. It just never ends with them.
SoTrue

Utica, NY

#72 Oct 8, 2013
Gilroys are no good bullies.
Not a fan of Byron

New York, NY

#73 Oct 8, 2013
This why you don't send your kid to ND. Most of the kid's parents are self absorbed a**h***s that don't believe in a team concept, it's all about Johnny!
Gimme a break

Troy, NY

#74 Oct 8, 2013
Steinbrenner wrote:
Ordering Abraham to play these players is kind of like Hank Steinbrenner telling Joe Girardi how to do his job. Yes, he supplies his paycheck, but does not know a thing about coaching. Coaches are not puppets.
It's not the same. Since this directive came in part from the AD who has coached for years. Coaches aren't puppets but they are required to comply with the regulations of the institutions that they work for. And yes Byron WAS told what the expectations of the administration were and he chose to disregard them. So he made his own bed.
enjoying this

Utica, NY

#75 Oct 8, 2013
And you people all criticize Proctor. As a Proctor parent I find this entertaining. Keep it going please. Spoiled rich brats getting all worked up.
Steinbrenner

Whitesboro, NY

#76 Oct 8, 2013
Gimme a break, is your son one of the kids involved?
Player mom

Cazenovia, NY

#77 Oct 8, 2013
Gimme a break wrote:
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It's not the same. Since this directive came in part from the AD who has coached for years. Coaches aren't puppets but they are required to comply with the regulations of the institutions that they work for. And yes Byron WAS told what the expectations of the administration were and he chose to disregard them. So he made his own bed.
And by the looks of how all has shaken out - There is a handful of you that feel victorious - the rest of the population knows this obvious fact: when an athlete doesn't practice and participate in reviewing and running the plays- THEY ARE AT RISK OF INJURING THEMSEVES OR THEIR TEAM-MATES! So again I ask- how fast would those handful be speed-dialing their lawyers if their son did in fact get injured? We all know the answer! Coach Abraham made a very good conscience-driven and experience- backed choice to keep those unprepared players off the field.
enjoying this

Utica, NY

#78 Oct 8, 2013
Half those kids on ND sports teams have been pampered by coaches since Minor League baseball ,Dick Miller BB and flag football. One of those kids that played with my son would miss little league practices because his parents had him in travel basketball but would show up at the little league game and never see the bench.This same kid's parents when it was their turn to work concessions at football or little league just wouldn't do their share and organization president would just let it go. But any other parent who didn't do concessions would hear about it from organizations leadership. So probabably other kids at ND I assume were pampered like this growing up. Lets not upset the star player or his parents. Lets make a different set of rules for them so they don't get mad.
new orlean saints

Herkimer, NY

#79 Oct 8, 2013
I have to chime in. We are only getting Abrahams side of the story. I would like to hear the other side. My opinion is Mr. Abraham should have taken the high road to show his true character
football

Whitesboro, NY

#81 Oct 8, 2013
enjoying this wrote:
Half those kids on ND sports teams have been pampered by coaches since Minor League baseball ,Dick Miller BB and flag football. One of those kids that played with my son would miss little league practices because his parents had him in travel basketball but would show up at the little league game and never see the bench.This same kid's parents when it was their turn to work concessions at football or little league just wouldn't do their share and organization president would just let it go. But any other parent who didn't do concessions would hear about it from organizations leadership. So probabably other kids at ND I assume were pampered like this growing up. Lets not upset the star player or his parents. Lets make a different set of rules for them so they don't get mad.
Are you talking about whitesboro or marcy kid?
Brother Joe

Carthage, NY

#82 Oct 8, 2013
Wowie wrote:
Gilroy's, all of them, are the biggest spoiled brats this area has ever seen. I remember back in my high school days and the acted as if they were better than anyone else. They walked around like there shit didn't smell. And they also acted a litlle gayish too. JP dad is a typical bad parent who thinks his kid is the best on earth, NOT.
I agree with the gay factor.
crazy

Ithaca, NY

#83 Oct 8, 2013
This has been the practice for ND football for years if you choose to go to the ROTC camp during the football season you didn't play ( I believe there is an additional camp this year) some go some don't but they know the consequences. With that being said even if someone tried to force coach to change his policy this year how is that fair to anyone and I can't believe the administration would allow a parent to dictate the rules of the team and control who plays and who doesn't. Where will this end what else will they try to control? How much playing time a kid gets our if they start no parent should have this much control.
johnnymear

Dover, DE

#84 Oct 8, 2013
The coach was right, if you don't practice you don't play, that is just the way it is. I don't care if you had a meeting with the President, you missed practice.
dog

United States

#88 Oct 8, 2013
new orlean saints wrote:
I have to chime in. We are only getting Abrahams side of the story. I would like to hear the other side. My opinion is Mr. Abraham should have taken the high road to show his true character
Insubordination not due to putting or not putting players on the field. Insubordination due to spreading the word among other players to coerce them into not attending rotc camp. Some players went forward with that word FROM THEIR HEAD COACH. Result is that some of those rotc kids took grief for a supposed "voluntary decision". The head coach developed and promoted this atmosphere. He got caught and was punished for it. Nothing to do with on field safety. That was the coach's bailout excuse. My son IS there, watched, and listened. the damage was done before the game was even played. no parent comments or player comments. Enough said.
dog

United States

#89 Oct 8, 2013
crazy wrote:
This has been the practice for ND football for years if you choose to go to the ROTC camp during the football season you didn't play ( I believe there is an additional camp this year) some go some don't but they know the consequences. With that being said even if someone tried to force coach to change his policy this year how is that fair to anyone and I can't believe the administration would allow a parent to dictate the rules of the team and control who plays and who doesn't. Where will this end what else will they try to control? How much playing time a kid gets our if they start no parent should have this much control.
did not happen before because boot camp usually fell on weekend. players were not there to attend game anyway.
Player mom

Cazenovia, NY

#90 Oct 8, 2013
NDFan wrote:
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Not true. Everyone got the same information early last week. The other fall sports did as they were told. Abraham made it known he was going to disobey the order Sister Anna Mae gave before the children got back from the boot camp.
Simple insubordination. End of story.
Coach Abraham made it clear the players would not play as they have not for the past 10 years ( with no questions, no fuss and no public embarrassment to the school and it's administration) All the sudden the So-called order to play these unprepared children. Shame on you few who have caused this unbelievable, shocking, and wrong attention to be haloed above the Notre Dame School....

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