utica fire department ambulance
kamazell

Cortland, NY

#42 Nov 22, 2010
and your point is wrote:
<quoted text>why are paying any fireman overtime to work the ambulance, when a private company can do it without cost to the city, i mean without paying a jr fireman overtime at straight time. and let me ask u this, if the fire dept is hiring overtime who gets the 1st call to fill the overtime. i cant believe a sr fireman is going to sit back and allow all the overtime to go to jr fireman. there has to be some type of overtime policy on who gets hired 1st. so the ambulance is staffeed with overtime and jr officers and the stations are staff with sr officers, help me out. if in was sr officer and not getting a fair opportunity to work the ot i would be filling grievenaces and demand to be given the opportunity to work the ot and be trained as a paramedic. i cant beleve they would allow this
Seniority means nothing on the UFD. The only thing that means anything on the UFD is if you are a suckhole or lickity lick and if you take the load from higher ups that have no honor or code you will be just fine. The Deparment is run on this idea, What ever is conveinient for the suckholes and lickity licks goes and screw the man that stands up for his contractual and civil rights. That deparmtent has become a rat ship due to the fact that the city appoints chiefs that are political, it has been proven over and over because of the continuing problem of having terrible chiefs one after the other.
rode in ufd ambulance

Saranac Lake, NY

#43 Nov 22, 2010
jr (newly) hired ff must become paramedics with in the first few years of appointment. old (senior) ff have the right to take the paramedic coure anytime they want. the city does a fine job of filling the amb first with jr qualified members and any other spots that need to get filled then go to ff that are qualified for that open spot,(punp operator, truck man, officer etc) the union and city are working hard to save the city money and provide an income at the same time. they also collect revenue that goes into the general fund for mvas, haz mat, building inspections (which are only a fire inspection) not an inspection for occupancy. NOW ARE WE CLEAR ON THIS SUBJECT!
kamazell

Cortland, NY

#44 Nov 22, 2010
rode in ufd ambulance wrote:
jr (newly) hired ff must become paramedics with in the first few years of appointment. old (senior) ff have the right to take the paramedic coure anytime they want. the city does a fine job of filling the amb first with jr qualified members and any other spots that need to get filled then go to ff that are qualified for that open spot,(punp operator, truck man, officer etc) the union and city are working hard to save the city money and provide an income at the same time. they also collect revenue that goes into the general fund for mvas, haz mat, building inspections (which are only a fire inspection) not an inspection for occupancy. NOW ARE WE CLEAR ON THIS SUBJECT!
Your eyes must be brown because you are so full of fecal matter.
and your point is

Little Falls, NY

#45 Nov 22, 2010
rode in ufd ambulance wrote:
jr (newly) hired ff must become paramedics with in the first few years of appointment. old (senior) ff have the right to take the paramedic coure anytime they want. the city does a fine job of filling the amb first with jr qualified members and any other spots that need to get filled then go to ff that are qualified for that open spot,(punp operator, truck man, officer etc) the union and city are working hard to save the city money and provide an income at the same time. they also collect revenue that goes into the general fund for mvas, haz mat, building inspections (which are only a fire inspection) not an inspection for occupancy. NOW ARE WE CLEAR ON THIS SUBJECT!
yes thank you. i caanot believe the rank and file gave up senority.giving up senority didnt come free, the city had to give something up. i come from a union shop and we have senority. the previous post with no senority all the suchholes would get the good jobs, overtime etc.thats no way to work. you keep stating that all income goes into the general fund, but yet there was 900,00 dollars in overtime pd last yr.so how does one find out how much income the fire dept is actually generating cimopared to the overtime costs. or is this hidden on purpose. oh and when the fire dept comes and does a inspection on rental property,and your property passes, you recieve a multiple dwelling certificate of compliance and in the paragraph it states you are in compliance with nys law 1203 and occupancy permit ordinace. no where does it say fire inspection
why

Little Falls, NY

#46 Nov 22, 2010
rode in ufd ambulance wrote:
jr (newly) hired ff must become paramedics with in the first few years of appointment. old (senior) ff have the right to take the paramedic coure anytime they want. the city does a fine job of filling the amb first with jr qualified members and any other spots that need to get filled then go to ff that are qualified for that open spot,(punp operator, truck man, officer etc) the union and city are working hard to save the city money and provide an income at the same time. they also collect revenue that goes into the general fund for mvas, haz mat, building inspections (which are only a fire inspection) not an inspection for occupancy. NOW ARE WE CLEAR ON THIS SUBJECT!
once again there is a private company willing to do this service at no cost to the city and its tax payers. i will say this again, a private company will do this service at no cost to the city and its taxpayers. what dont you get. its free to the city and its over burben tax payers
kamazell

Cortland, NY

#47 Nov 22, 2010
why wrote:
<quoted text> once again there is a private company willing to do this service at no cost to the city and its tax payers. i will say this again, a private company will do this service at no cost to the city and its taxpayers. what dont you get. its free to the city and its over burben tax payers
The individual you are replying to has only one interest, greed. This individual is a UFD employee or relative that is reaping the gold from this unneeded service. No where since the start of this service or the fire academy has the UFD, Comptroller, or Mayor reveal a balance sheet showing cost and revenues. The reason for this is that this service was only wanted by the UFD personnel to fatten their pay checks and build their pensions at the cost of the property owner in Utica. This is like the Brokaw report on the fleecing of America, this is the fleecing of Utica.
rode in ufd ambulance

Saranac Lake, NY

#48 Nov 24, 2010
there has to be a certin number of ffs on duty 24/7. if there is a shortage of manpower (which occures ever day)and the man load does not meet the minium required amount (there is a given # of members required to work every day to maintain a safe work enviorment for the fire men and for protection of the city.) the open slots occur every day due to vacations, illness, members absent to attend schools, classes or semiars and also that the full compliment of the fire dept is not met. the city would have to hire more ffs to meet the full compliment required. to fill in the open slots they start at the ambulance with certified members (which are ususlly jr members that are paramedics) these jr members working overtime at straight pay ARE NOT FATTENING THEIR PENSIONS AS THEY HAVE TO WORK ANOTHER 15 -17 YEARS OR SO BEFORE THEY RETIRE. so flush that rumor down the toilet. now, if there are still open slots they fill them according to the senior rank and file, officer for officer, punmp man, truck man etc. whom ever gets a call back to fill the daily compliment works overtime for straight pay,. period. again, sr men gettting ready to retire count their last 3 years for their avg ending retirement pay. as do so many, many other civil service jobs.
the amb does not charge the tax payer. only the insurance compay. what ever the ins. co. pays is what the city collects. no collection agency will every come after you for the balance. period
if you request KAS for and emergency, they bill you and your ins. co. like the fd does. but the unpaid balance will be paid by you or KAS will send you to collection. this also goes for a trip from st lukes home to st lukes hosp. and they charge a pretty penny to do this (inner facility transfer) somthing UFD does not due. KAS also responds to calls out side the city (UFD does not) and then they start to tack on a milage charge to the bill.
the building inspection you speak about is only one part of your comversation. please read the section of 1203 and section H which the FD is required to do. that you mantion.

Rules And Regulations - Department of State
TITLE 19 (NYCRR)
CHAPTER XXXII - DIVISION OF CODE ENFORCEMENT AND ADMINISTRATION
PART 1203 - UNIFORM CODE: MINIMUM STANDARDS FOR ADMINISTRATION
AND ENFORCEMENT
Effective January 1, 2007
(h) Fire safety and property maintenance inspections. Provisions shall be made for:
(1) fire safety and property maintenance inspections of buildings which contain an area of public
assembly at intervals not to exceed one year;
(2) fire safety and property maintenance inspections of all multiple dwellings and all nonresidential
occupancies at intervals consistent with local conditions, but in no event shall such intervals exceed
one year for dormitory buildings and three years for all other buildings.
(i) Procedure for complaints. Procedures shall be established for addressing bona fide complaints
which assert that conditions or activities fail to comply with the Uniform Code or with local laws,
ordinances or regulations adopted for administration and enforcement of the Uniform Code. The process
for responding to such complaints shall include, when appropriate, provisions for inspection of the
conditions and/or activities alleged to be in violation of the code or the laws and/or regulations adopted for
administration and enforcement of the code.
(j) Record keeping. A system of records of the features and activities specified in subdivisions (a)
through (i) of this section and of fees charged and collected, if any, shall be established and maintained
kamazell

Cortland, NY

#49 Nov 24, 2010
Could someone please list uncollected revenues, man power cost, ambulance costs, supplies, overtime at straight time which I know for a fact is well over $1,000,0000.00 a year compared to the $270000 a year in 2004 when the ambulance was not in service. These are facts and not bullshit that some department head tells the mayor. We must see a balance sheet to be convinced these services generate revenue. To this date no one has surfaced one becasue they do not exist, end of story.
Puppet

Utica, NY

#50 Nov 24, 2010
kamazell wrote:
Could someone please list uncollected revenues, man power cost, ambulance costs, supplies, overtime at straight time which I know for a fact is well over $1,000,0000.00 a year compared to the $270000 a year in 2004 when the ambulance was not in service. These are facts and not bullshit that some department head tells the mayor. We must see a balance sheet to be convinced these services generate revenue. To this date no one has surfaced one becasue they do not exist, end of story.
Sounds like Frank Vescera has his hand up your *ss and your moving your lips.

The money goes to the general fund not the FD nitwit. Did you ever think that maybe the current and past mayors don't share the #'s because they are using the proceeds to fund their pet projects like $50,000 office renovations.

If you are truly a retired UFD member from years ago its my understanding that senior members were always able to "enhance" their pension. I quess what's good for the goose isn't good for the gander. But you got yours did'nt you. Hypocrite!
Brother Tim

Clark Mills, NY

#51 Nov 24, 2010
Brother Jim licks nuts
kamazell

Cortland, NY

#52 Nov 24, 2010
Puppet wrote:
<quoted text>
Sounds like Frank Vescera has his hand up your *ss and your moving your lips.
The money goes to the general fund not the FD nitwit. Did you ever think that maybe the current and past mayors don't share the #'s because they are using the proceeds to fund their pet projects like $50,000 office renovations.
If you are truly a retired UFD member from years ago its my understanding that senior members were always able to "enhance" their pension. I quess what's good for the goose isn't good for the gander. But you got yours did'nt you. Hypocrite!
The facts are that the young cry babies cried about the senior guys getting the overtime when I was ready to retire, and the suckholes got their way becasue nepotism and suckholing outshined seniority. The facts are is that these crybabies are still crying because the cash cow might disappear like I wish you would you nit wit.
show us the money

Little Falls, NY

#53 Nov 24, 2010
Puppet wrote:
<quoted text>
Sounds like Frank Vescera has his hand up your *ss and your moving your lips.
The money goes to the general fund not the FD nitwit. Did you ever think that maybe the current and past mayors don't share the #'s because they are using the proceeds to fund their pet projects like $50,000 office renovations.
If you are truly a retired UFD member from years ago its my understanding that senior members were always able to "enhance" their pension. I quess what's good for the goose isn't good for the gander. But you got yours did'nt you. Hypocrite!
there needs to be accountablity. we need to see the books , money brought in by the fire dept compared to the costs of overtime and running codes and an ambulance service. i dont know any fireman and i doubt that they live in utica.the firemen do a fine job but as a tax payer i am sick of the raising taxes. if the fire dept makes money and they can prove it fine, if not get thet hell out. there is a private company that will the service for free, at no cost to me,what dont u get. this is to all city,county and state workers, the time has come. next contract you will pay more for your health benefits and you will contribute money towards your retiremnet. for the new hires , you will not get the half pay retiremnet, those days are gone,just like the rest of us.
rode in ufd ambulance

Saranac Lake, NY

#54 Nov 26, 2010
i am glad to know that people are starting to understand the the UFD ambulance. remember, UFD has been responding to EMS calls since the early 1980s. rescue 1 responded to all calls for EMS and treated, and stabelized the pt, before KAS got there. and that was at the cost to the tax payers because the firemen were on duty and there anyway.also , rescue 1 EMTs also responded to all fires too!once KAS showed up(thats when KAS had there rigs on west st)then they moved to their new bldg., the pt. was turned over to KAS for transport to the hospital, and many times with a member from UFD riding to the hospital in the KAS ambulance. UFD was never compinsated in any way for that service. KAS collected all the monies they could from the pt.for treating and transport. now, the UFD still has a spesified number of members on duty every day, and answer all the EMS calls in the city (as the FD is charged by their mission statement to answer all calls for assistance (PD or FD) in the city.) they answer all 911 calls and do whatever they can to midigate the situation, whatever it may be. so now instead of the old rescue 1 responding to a call and treating the pt and turning them over to KAS for transport and bill collecting, the UFD ambulance rescue 1,2,3 or 4 will respond , treat the pt from the inital call, all the way to the hospital,(with no pt turnover to another agency) so pt treatment and contact has improved, the FD now staffs all rigs in the city with paramedics, and responds to all 911 calls just like it always has, the differance is, better trained members now than in the 1980s,(they were EMTs either basic, level II or level 3,( now they are paramedics and on all rigs. plus they are collecting monies on a 1 time bill to the insurance company not the taxpayer,for medical transport, MVA extracation,and haz mat. all an income revenue for the city with less members on duty per day than they had in the 1980s. they are also doing fire building inspections, along with all the other daily duties of maintaining the fire stations, and the fire trucks, which they keep in top notch shape with a lot of pride and professionalism. they do all this 24/7 to keep the public safe and themselves safe too.so bless our firedepartment.
kamakamoron

Herkimer, NY

#55 Nov 26, 2010
your a loser,when you pretended to be be a firemen, there was what 185 to 200 firemen then.back then all you phonies did was sit around the firehouse and smoke and drink and have hookers come to the firehouse.dont pretend that you really made a difference, your no different then anyone else your just not riding the gravy train anymore because your no longer working for the city. you never did rops, you never were a paramedic riding the ambulance,you know it all,you like to run your mouth about the chief, I bet when you see him in public you walk the other way you coward.
zombie

Black River, NY

#56 Nov 26, 2010
Long Time Utican wrote:
<quoted text>You have no idea of what you are talking about - as usual for you.
Our Firemen are on alert every minute of their 24 hours shift. Go to a major fire where our Firemen were called out and you will agree that they work hard for every penny they get paid.
They are paid for their knowledge and hard work which saves countless lives whenever anyone needs them or putting out fires.
As far as their 911 Emergency calls - they not only respond within a few minutes, but are also highly trained. Kunkel charges OVER $400 for a 10 minute ride to a Hospital and are never there within a few minutes. The next time you need emergency care - you decide who you want to place your life with.
Utica charges over $915.00 for the same thing
the Truth is Out There

Black River, NY

#57 Nov 26, 2010
Don't be deluded or shocked. Here is what Chief Brooks authorized as rates to charge the people IN ADDITION to their taxes offsetting the ambulance:

Basic Ambulance Non Emergency:
UFD $ 614.06 Kunkel $ 350.00

Basic Ambulance Emergency:
UFD $ 753.90 Kunkel $ 450.00

ADVanced Life Support Ambulance Not Emergent
UFD $ 780.00 Kunkel$ 450.00

Advance Life Ambulance Emergency:
UFD $ 908.89 Kunkel $ 600.00

Advanced Life Ambulance Level 2
UFD $ 911.00 Kunkel $ 700.00

Advanced Link Up charges
UFD $ 650.00 Kunkel $ 150.00

MILEAGE Yes the UFD ambualnce does charge this

UFD $ 19.50 per mile ( not a typo )
Kunkel $ 9.00
kamazell

Cortland, NY

#58 Nov 26, 2010
The party will be over very shortly and the mayor will be telling the police and fire to pay more for their hopspitaliztion and they will be contributing for their pensions or face layoffs. The facts are that the city of UTica is not a city of 85000 anymore and all we need now are the bare basics. Kunkel will be back in the saddle very shortly and the fleecing of Utica Taxpayers will be over. Roefaro is on his last legs aa mayor and he will have to prove to the taxpayer that he has their best interests in mind or it will be over for him. As far as the UFD ambulance it will go by the waste side. The only ones that ever wanted the ambulance in this city were the UFD personnel because it was a cash cow for them. The funny thing is that most of these men never lived a day in Utica.
rode in ufd ambulance

Saranac Lake, NY

#59 Nov 26, 2010
the Truth is Out There wrote:
Don't be deluded or shocked. Here is what Chief Brooks authorized as rates to charge the people IN ADDITION to their taxes offsetting the ambulance:
Basic Ambulance Non Emergency:
UFD $ 614.06 Kunkel $ 350.00
Basic Ambulance Emergency:
UFD $ 753.90 Kunkel $ 450.00
ADVanced Life Support Ambulance Not Emergent
UFD $ 780.00 Kunkel$ 450.00
Advance Life Ambulance Emergency:
UFD $ 908.89 Kunkel $ 600.00
Advanced Life Ambulance Level 2
UFD $ 911.00 Kunkel $ 700.00
Advanced Link Up charges
UFD $ 650.00 Kunkel $ 150.00
MILEAGE Yes the UFD ambualnce does charge this
UFD $ 19.50 per mile ( not a typo )
Kunkel $ 9.00
i do not believe any of those figures at all. the only way i could ever believe those figures is i would like to see that in print on city letterhead and on KAS letterhead. until then, those figures are made up in someone's head, cause that just is not true
kamakamoron

Herkimer, NY

#60 Nov 26, 2010
you say the ufd is fleecing the city, you are a hypocrite,when you worked overtime it was always on a truck or a pump,never on a ambulance where these guys and girls stay up all night transporting people. they earn there money, unlike when you worked. people that live in glass houses shouldnt throw stones, your a liar.
in the know

Black River, NY

#61 Nov 26, 2010
rode in ufd ambulance wrote:
<quoted text>
i do not believe any of those figures at all. the only way i could ever believe those figures is i would like to see that in print on city letterhead and on KAS letterhead. until then, those figures are made up in someone's head, cause that just is not true
THESE FIGURES ARE ACCURATE AND CORRECT. They are a matter of public record given to the common council IN AN AFFADAVIT. Chief Brooks authorized the extreme costs in April of this year. The proof of this was also provided to the council in a copy of his authorization ledger. Your comment shows how shocking the costs of the city are. Everyone should be made aware of this. It is the tip of the financial nightmare and ruse of profit that the taxpayers are burdened with.

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