Cindy

New Hartford, NY

#124 Sep 30, 2012
omg wrote:
How can anyone have any sympathy for the Whittamores they raised a evil evil son a low life, and drunk, a animal who should be put to death this is their fault for failing to raise their son properly i hope they enjoy living with the fact that this poor girls life was taken by their monster son whom i bet they still love
This is their son the mother carried him under her heart for nine months and gave birth to him.. He is a person with severe mental problems that have gone untreated. Because no one in their right mind can kill another human being.. I don't know the families but my heart goes out to Alex and her family I can only imagine if someone did this to my daughter or grandaughter they would have to put me away ...I feel for the parents of Wittemore becasue as a parent if I was told that my children did something like this I would again have to be put away in a padded cell.. No matter good or bad our kids are our kids and well all want the best for them. But when things like this happen its a hardache to all involved...Good parents will understand what I'm saying here we just never know.
newhartfordman

Troy, NY

#126 Sep 30, 2012
You say "two sides to this story" what the hell could this girl have done to make this animal kill her like that you are right New Hartford is a nice place to live an its not filled with thugs. It was before Clayton was arrested.

I would not feel sorry for his mother this is there fault for raising such a animal
Former NH resident wrote:
Its Sunday morning and I cannot believe this is the page I clicked on this morning. I suppose I am looking for some shread of decency on here towards both families, and all I seem to be reading is garbage with a few bright spots. The bottom line is this people. Clayton was a wonderful hockey player in hs, is a son to parents who love him, a brother to his siblings, friend to others, and a boyfriend to one little girl who is no longer with us. And it appears as if he is responsible for her death. I cannot imagine or swallow the hardships and pain of both families for Clayton's wrong doing. But, He is a human being with ups and downs like all of us. None of us know the facts except those that were in the room that terrible night. As for Alex and her family, I can only imagine they will not have peace for a long time. And if you believe in God or not, say a prayer for them or do whatever it is you do when in need. Both these families need he support of their friends, family and community. Not us on here posting and argueing. New Hartford is a safe, clean, near crime free place to live. I know, I grew up there, have traveled, and miss the little town. People who live there are not scum, thugs, or anything like that. Most are married still, have good jobs, and raise their children well. But kids do what they want no matter how well you raise them. Clayton was not a spoiled kid, or entitled, as some have said. And Alex did not deserve what happened to her. There are two sides to this story. Two victims, and of course the families are victims as well. It would behoove everyone to try to imagine yourself in the position of both sides. If you were Alex's parents, how would you feel? Pissed off...? Revengeful...? In immense pain...? Wanting Clayton to pay for the rest of his life...? IF you were Clayton's parents, how would you feel. Shocked...? Hurt...? Curious as to how your son could do such a thing...? Remorse...? None of us know how either parents feels. None of us know what went on, exactly between these two young people over the course of their relationship. All we know for sure is that they were dating, the young lady has lost her life, and Clayton is most likely responsible and has apparently admitted to it. But Passing judgment is not our job on either side. Pull together people. Show respect for you and everyone else. No one knows what goes on in anyone elses life to make them behave and do what they do. The passing judgement needs to cease, for the sake of both families. Send cards, love, support and prayers, not insults and opinions about something none of us really knows about.
Kogut Family: I did not know your daughter, but my children did. We send our love and support to all of you during this time. May her memory live on forever. Our prayers are with you. Stay strong.
Whittemore Family: Sandy, I am praying for you. I wish I was back in NH to pay my respects to Alex, and hug you. Do not blame yourself for this. My prayers are with you. Stay stong.
May peace and love find both of your families, and your children.
This is my last post.
Buddy

Watertown, NY

#127 Sep 30, 2012
I knew both Clayton and Alex. I think it was pretty evident that Clayton had some issues. He may have been on med. lesson. We all hav issues but as parents and individuals we are responsible for ourselves by seeking help. Therapy. Meds. Whatever it takes. Everyone know sic alcohol and meds are a dangerous mix. Be attune to the baggage that others are carrying. Listen to your instincts. If something doesn't feel right. Get out. And above all. Never. Ever. Be alone with a time bomb. They say love is blind.
Sad

Victor, NY

#128 Sep 30, 2012
Where were the security guards at Brockport? Why was he allowed on campus at 3am? Isn't safety a concern at this college? Brockport has some explaining to do!! No one heard screaming???
A Parent

Baldwinsville, NY

#129 Sep 30, 2012
As a parent, I can feel empathy for both of the families involved in this horrible nightmare. Please don't blame the parents, coaches, or teachers of this unspeakable act of violence. Many children with weak or irresponsible role models become honest, productive adults. Some children with devoted, strong, stable, positive, and responsible role models become criminals. Criminals come from all kinds of families and neighborhoods. Every parent of more than one child know: children are born with different temperaments. You just never know. That being said, my sympathies go out to all who loved Alex. She did not deserve this. And my empathy goes out to the family of Clayton. They will suffer, too.
ejjm

Woodbury, NJ

#130 Sep 30, 2012
It is a SUNY school so there are actual police there. They are in college... There are no visiting hours, people come and go as they please. Back to the police, they can't be in every building and dormitory at every second. It was a Friday night... Probably parties and loudness going on. This is hardly the police fault....it is Clayton's!!
So sad

Cortland, NY

#132 Sep 30, 2012
He must have been visiting her for the weekend, i doubt he could just pop in her dorm at 2:00am. How very sad,this is nobodys fault besides Claytons!! But she obviously called her mom to tell her something was going on, i know as a mom, how can u even survive this happening to ur daughter, and to think u couldnt do anything to help her. I couldnt even imagine, i have a young daughter& wonder if there was any warning signs? My sympathy to the family,i am So Sorry for your pain!!
Sad

Victor, NY

#133 Sep 30, 2012
I totally agree this is Clayton's fault but you mean anyone can go on that campus at all hours of the night? Aren't the dorms or buildings locked after a certain time? It should not matter if its a SUNY or Ivy League-- safety should be #1 concern. I heard he beat the roommate unconscious, is there truth to this?
newhartfordman

Troy, NY

#134 Sep 30, 2012
The problem is not with security here. She new who this guy was she probably let this animal in whom she loved. Who knows if she screamed he could have gaged her mouth or something like that. The only person at fault here is Clayton no one else hope he rots in jail
Sad wrote:
Where were the security guards at Brockport? Why was he allowed on campus at 3am? Isn't safety a concern at this college? Brockport has some explaining to do!! No one heard screaming???
The dumbest comment

Albany, NY

#135 Sep 30, 2012
Buddy wrote:
I knew both Clayton and Alex. I think it was pretty evident that Clayton had some issues. He may have been on med. lesson. We all hav issues but as parents and individuals we are responsible for ourselves by seeking help. Therapy. Meds. Whatever it takes. Everyone know sic alcohol and meds are a dangerous mix. Be attune to the baggage that others are carrying. Listen to your instincts. If something doesn't feel right. Get out. And above all. Never. Ever. Be alone with a time bomb. They say love is blind.
Two sides to a story? Are you insane? This young girl was murdered! Let me say it again...murdered!!! Are you insane? Obviously this spoiled kid had a mental health issue and could not take rejection. You don't need to sing this kid's praises like the disgusting OD! He may be a friend of self-righteous Donna Donovan--reason why she she leave. Your insensitive comments actually give permission to murder. This girl was savagely beaten to death. Two sides of waht story! Your coments disgust me. And no dont come back to New Hartford to hug anyone--stay away!
The dumbest comment

Albany, NY

#137 Sep 30, 2012
The inappropriate coverage of this story rests with Donna Donovan who is a personal friend of this kid's family. Shame on you Donna and the hoorendous OD--nothing like justfying the mrder of a beautiful young girl. He murdered--it is a crime with no excuses- Stop showing the glory days of this young punk--or should i say murderer.
Cindy

New Hartford, NY

#138 Sep 30, 2012
A Parent wrote:
As a parent, I can feel empathy for both of the families involved in this horrible nightmare. Please don't blame the parents, coaches, or teachers of this unspeakable act of violence. Many children with weak or irresponsible role models become honest, productive adults. Some children with devoted, strong, stable, positive, and responsible role models become criminals. Criminals come from all kinds of families and neighborhoods. Every parent of more than one child know: children are born with different temperaments. You just never know. That being said, my sympathies go out to all who loved Alex. She did not deserve this. And my empathy goes out to the family of Clayton. They will suffer, too.
This is very well said I agree with you 100%... Both families are going to suffer this horrific act of murder to a young girl who didn't deserve to have you life taken in such a horrible way.. and the family of Clayton are going to suffer this horrible act of crime that their son did.. But as I parent and grandparent I pray hard everyday to God to keep my children from harms way and to live a good life not to every hurt another human being..I pray that my family never has to face a nightmare like this...All of you that are judging Clayton parents need to make sure you wash your own hands before pointing the finger and setting judgement.. Is your family perfect I don't think so...We all live in a very corrupt world , The home is a place like it use to be for famlies like years ago...
Playing with FIRE

Ithaca, NY

#139 Sep 30, 2012
Her poor Mother; she was in Las Vegas when she was told this devastating news. I can't even imagine. So sad...
Batman

Leominster, MA

#140 Sep 30, 2012
Former NH resident wrote:
Its Sunday morning and I cannot believe this is the page I clicked on this morning. I suppose I am looking for some shread of decency on here towards both families, and all I seem to be reading is garbage with a few bright spots. The bottom line is this people. Clayton was a wonderful hockey player in hs, is a son to parents who love him, a brother to his siblings, friend to others, and a boyfriend to one little girl who is no longer with us. And it appears as if he is responsible for her death. I cannot imagine or swallow the hardships and pain of both families for Clayton's wrong doing. But, He is a human being with ups and downs like all of us. None of us know the facts except those that were in the room that terrible night. As for Alex and her family, I can only imagine they will not have peace for a long time. And if you believe in God or not, say a prayer for them or do whatever it is you do when in need. Both these families need he support of their friends, family and community. Not us on here posting and argueing. New Hartford is a safe, clean, near crime free place to live. I know, I grew up there, have traveled, and miss the little town. People who live there are not scum, thugs, or anything like that. Most are married still, have good jobs, and raise their children well. But kids do what they want no matter how well you raise them. Clayton was not a spoiled kid, or entitled, as some have said. And Alex did not deserve what happened to her. There are two sides to this story. Two victims, and of course the families are victims as well. It would behoove everyone to try to imagine yourself in the position of both sides. If you were Alex's parents, how would you feel? Pissed off...? Revengeful...? In immense pain...? Wanting Clayton to pay for the rest of his life...? IF you were Clayton's parents, how would you feel. Shocked...? Hurt...? Curious as to how your son could do such a thing...? Remorse...? None of us know how either parents feels. None of us know what went on, exactly between these two young people over the course of their relationship. All we know for sure is that they were dating, the young lady has lost her life, and Clayton is most likely responsible and has apparently admitted to it. But Passing judgment is not our job on either side. Pull together people. Show respect for you and everyone else. No one knows what goes on in anyone elses life to make them behave and do what they do. The passing judgement needs to cease, for the sake of both families. Send cards, love, support and prayers, not insults and opinions about something none of us really knows about.
Kogut Family: I did not know your daughter, but my children did. We send our love and support to all of you during this time. May her memory live on forever. Our prayers are with you. Stay strong.
Whittemore Family: Sandy, I am praying for you. I wish I was back in NH to pay my respects to Alex, and hug you. Do not blame yourself for this. My prayers are with you. Stay stong.
May peace and love find both of your families, and your children.
This is my last post.
unfortunately, sandy is going to be ostracized from this community. It happens all the time in these white suburbia crimes and there is nothing that can be done about it. Ask the movie theatre shooters family how its working out for them?
Alumni

Batavia, NY

#141 Sep 30, 2012
Just a little side note for the security aspect of this forum:

-After 7:00pm, all doors are alarmed except for the front door. If anyone tries to let someone in through a door other than the front, an obnoxiously loud alarm goes off. If the Resident Assistant who responds to the alarm does not find who triggered it, 9 times out of 10 they will send a call to University Police.

-The front door can only be unlocked by a resident of that particular residence hall.

-A Resident Assistant is sitting the front desk (located at the only door not alarmed) until 2:00am. There is also a night desk attendant on duty until 3am. From 10:00pm until 3:00am all guests must be signed in with proper ID by a resident of that building and it is logged in a book. After 3am there is no one there because the foot traffic becomes basically non-existent. The defendant (I refuse to type his name) would have been signed in by Alex in order to be granted access to the building.

To sum it up, the safeguards are there. A tragedy like this cannot be blamed on a lack of security measures and every resident living on campus should continue to feel safe. With that being said, no matter where you are in the world, you are never immune from danger.
Cindy

New Hartford, NY

#142 Sep 30, 2012
Batman wrote:
<quoted text> unfortunately, sandy is going to be ostracized from this community. It happens all the time in these white suburbia crimes and there is nothing that can be done about it. Ask the movie theatre shooters family how its working out for them?
Very well said !!! My thoughts and prayers are with both families. A young man that lost his way how does something like this happen we don't know..But don't blame his parents ok.. and to the Kogut family being a mom and grandmother My heart goes out to your loss.. Prayers to all of you and May God , family and friends embrace each of you with love , support and understanding and may You all find comfort in each other,.So very sad ...So much saddness in this world..
Sue Nammi

Rochester, NY

#143 Sep 30, 2012
Sad wrote:
I totally agree this is Clayton's fault but you mean anyone can go on that campus at all hours of the night? Aren't the dorms or buildings locked after a certain time? It should not matter if its a SUNY or Ivy League-- safety should be #1 concern. I heard he beat the roommate unconscious, is there truth to this?
He was visiting Alex for the weekend. He was out at a bar w/out her and they were fighting about something. He came back to the dorm late. She had to sign him in after a certain time, or unlock the door if the Desk RA was off duty.
We dont know what happened after that yet. We havent gotten an account yet from her room mate Kaila, or from her best friend Samantha as to what the situation was over. Obviously Alex talked to her mom about it and the mom who was out of state was trying to keep in touch as to how it was resolved. She got no response from Alex, so she did the right thing and alerted campus security who investigated and found the scene (and obviously Whittemore had left by then).
They probably had his make/model and license plate of his car on file, because he had to register the car in order to get a temporary parking permit to stay overnight at the dorm to visit her. That made it easy for an APB to look for him on the Thruway if he was fleeing home.
Angry Birds

Utica, NY

#144 Sep 30, 2012
Wait till Bubby get this pretty hockey boy in prison up against the bars... Talk about a shot on GOAL!!!!!. Id love to be on that jury......GUILTY..max sentence... life with bubby..
Amen

Utica, NY

#145 Sep 30, 2012
This is SO MUCH of the problem and mentality there. Raise potatoes, get potatoes!
Blame New Hickford life wrote:
<quoted text>This happens because these podunk towns place incredible emphasis on these kids "sports careers" and graduate idiots. The people born here are a little slow to start off with and about all they ever seem talk about is "football" - "Saranac drunk night" and "who farts the best" and of course "coach toughguy wars" for the coach with the biggest mouth and attitude debate, from the sounds of it. This is about the pinnacle of intelligence for the area so it is no wonder 99.9% of these people end up in debt or living paycheck to paycheck or like this punk here, nobody wants to give "hockey heroes" and football kings a job outside of a prison or cheese police department smelling a dog's ass for 20 years and abusing people they LOVE to hire neanderthals with tempers like this show me where that's not true.
The girl out grew the punk and probably was on to bigger better things if you catch the drift and hamfist NH sports king boy couldn't handle it, or college for that matter.
If only he had waited till he became a NH cop or a Trooper he would do a few weeks and walk if history is any guide how these people work up here! You build these kids up with this paper superiority and they freak when they finally realize life will pass them by. Just like Alexa was in the process of passing this jerkoff by! You do it to yourselves. Raise your kids to excel at hitting a rubber puck instead of math, science. history and humanity then don't be surprised when this is the glory they get after they end up left in the dust by the life they wanted and "expected". Have another round and sleep it off new hickford!
truth

Nedrow, NY

#146 Sep 30, 2012
Cindy wrote:
<quoted text>Very well said !!! My thoughts and prayers are with both families. A young man that lost his way how does something like this happen we don't know..But don't blame his parents ok.. and to the Kogut family being a mom and grandmother My heart goes out to your loss.. Prayers to all of you and May God , family and friends embrace each of you with love , support and understanding and may You all find comfort in each other,.So very sad ...So much saddness in this world..
God doesnt hear the prayers of those who reject him and his laws, if they were following Gods standards this would not have happen, but instead they followed the way of the devil and the results are all to common.

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