Breakthrough in Pecheone murder??

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#450 Feb 13, 2011
Exhausted wrote:
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PS- No I was not Saint.
Ok, thanks, just curious about that, lol.
NYlady

Clinton, NY

#451 Feb 13, 2011
Exhausted wrote:
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Thanks friend.
I'll know what direction things will go this coming week which depends on one huge thing I can't disclose. I know it sounds like who the hell am I and what not, but a very close relative has worked on this case for 39 years putting more time into this case then anything or anyone possible. Hopkins is not the guy. The biggest flaw in the "step by step" information report if it comes to light, could blow this whole case wide open. I'm on edge more than you people could ever imagine. I just don't know what will happen.
I hope you keep us posted. Like Remsen said, we all want to know the truth about her murder. If the persons name is made known, it may jog someones memory about something that happened that they did not think of at the time. I am sure it has been a burden to the cops that worked tirelessly on the case.

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#452 Feb 13, 2011
Exhausted wrote:
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Thanks friend.
I'll know what direction things will go this coming week which depends on one huge thing I can't disclose. I know it sounds like who the hell am I and what not, but a very close relative has worked on this case for 39 years putting more time into this case then anything or anyone possible. Hopkins is not the guy. The biggest flaw in the "step by step" information report if it comes to light, could blow this whole case wide open. I'm on edge more than you people could ever imagine. I just don't know what will happen.
You know what part I don't like in one paragraph? IF it comes to light.

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#453 Feb 13, 2011
Remsen wrote:
<quoted text> You know what part I don't like in one paragraph? IF it comes to light.
Does that mean, if it doesn't come to light, we will be left in the dark again? Just left hanging here without ever knowing who you are talking about?

“JusticeDenied135 01”

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#454 Feb 13, 2011
Remsen wrote:
<quoted text> You may be right in everything you say, but, for now, all I want is satisfied closure to this particular case, then we can attack the politicians, lol.
Remsen,

Did you have an opportunity to look at the remards on the Utica OD forum?

There is a very intelligent response from a gentlemen who stated that he asked then District Attorney Richard Enders at a booksigning event, who he thought the killer of Joann Pecheone may have been. He said that Mr. Enders response, was emphatically, "Bernard Hatch."

I think the community has come together on this issue and it is important to get to the truth...

That of which I will focus my attention in the coming days and keep everyone posted.

Have a good night.

“JusticeDenied135 01”

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#455 Feb 13, 2011
*remarks

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#456 Feb 13, 2011
Justicedenied13501 wrote:
*remarks
There are a lot of intelligent, and not so intelligent people who believed it was Hatch. I really think that the DA and all involved would have loved it if it was him, I don't think they would have a problem saying it was him, so I don't believe that the DNA they had on him to prove he wasn't the murderer, was tampered with. Hatch was a sicko, no doubt, but if you go by MO, Hopkins Mo was more fitting to the crime than Hatch's was. There are a lot of sicko's out there, I wouldn't just focus on Hatch.
Ken

Utica, NY

#457 Feb 14, 2011
Justicedenied13501 wrote:
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Remsen,
Did you have an opportunity to look at the remards on the Utica OD forum?
There is a very intelligent response from a gentlemen who stated that he asked then District Attorney Richard Enders at a booksigning event, who he thought the killer of Joann Pecheone may have been. He said that Mr. Enders response, was emphatically, "Bernard Hatch."
I think the community has come together on this issue and it is important to get to the truth...
That of which I will focus my attention in the coming days and keep everyone posted.
Have a good night.
You need to get over yourself - your dead daddy was WRONG. It was NOT Hatch. MANY people thought it was Hatch over the years until DNA RULED HIM OUT. Are you seriously that thick?

Your high and mighty BS act is getting old.

YOU'RE WRONG (again).

Like someone else asked (and you did not answer)- what proof do you have that it was Hatch?
Jackie

Utica, NY

#458 Feb 14, 2011
Cornhill Escapee wrote:
Remsen, does that mean you students were not shown the composite drawing? I found it interesting that the women he met on the road and rolled the window down acted like she hadnt seen the sketch back in 72 or whenever she came forward. The girl who was followed four days earlier stated that the guy had on a army jacket and cowboy hat but the man who seen the guy crossing back across the road said it was a black jacket mid level. There was no mention of what the snowmobiler said about the dress of the suspect. When I read about the girl 4 days earlier it sounded like him due to the army jacket and hat but then the guy who seen him running said he was dressed differently.
You just hit the nail on the head. This composite was never shown until Friday. They made it a point to mention in the report that the 12-year old confirmed that it was the same drawing he helped create in '72. Why would they make that a point if they didn't know something we don't know? And, like you said, why wasn't it shown to these other witnesses back then?

It's a very good possibility (or "theory") that they could have found this case and worked to make it fit. All they would need is for this Inserra kid to play along. Again, just a theory, but the kid was the same age as Roefaro, Arcuri, LaBella, Picente and probably grew up with, if not related to, them all. Someone needs to focus on who David Inserra is.
Jackie

Utica, NY

#459 Feb 14, 2011
http://www.uticaod.com/news/x934989806/Shovel...

Here is an article about a David Inserra being indicted just six months ago. Find out the disposition of this case and whether he was given a sweetheart deal for the huge amount of charges, and you might find a motive for him playing ball with the D.A. in creating this new/old composite.(if this is the same David Inserra). There's enough people reading this, including media, that someone should surely be able to investigate this further.

“JusticeDenied135 01”

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#460 Feb 14, 2011
Ken wrote:
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You need to get over yourself - your dead daddy was WRONG. It was NOT Hatch. MANY people thought it was Hatch over the years until DNA RULED HIM OUT. Are you seriously that thick?
Your high and mighty BS act is getting old.
YOU'RE WRONG (again).
Like someone else asked (and you did not answer)- what proof do you have that it was Hatch?
Ken,

From your disrespectful attitude it appears as though you are a McNamera fan...the point that was being made was that a man of utmost integrity, such as Mr. Enders, former Oneida County District Attorney, shared the same theory.

Scott McNamera sits in the position to make a determination and by all accounts, he lacks proof, too. He indicates that he believes that it was Hopkins, it appears as though the concensus of people on this forum and others don't believe him.
hah

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#461 Feb 14, 2011
Regardless of whether or not the DNA pointed to Hopkins or not, there would still be nutty conspiracy theorists pissed that the guys dead and can't speak for himself and that the evidence was tampered with. Just saying. And you Hatch people... Other than Hatch being local and crazy there is nothing indicating he was the real murderer. At least there is some indication of this man, circumstantial or not. And finally shame on Mcnamara and company for rehashing all these old memories, what good could have possible come from maybe finding out who killed Joanne. None of those girls got justice because the coward was allowed to kill himself in jail.

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#462 Feb 14, 2011
I think a lot of people, back then especially, really thought it was Hatch, and not without reason, including Enders, especially when he did what he did to Mary Turner, a year after Joanne. Oh yea, I remember, a lot of people thought that it was him,some were sure of it, and with good reason. But now, with the mo out and all, a lot of us realize that it wasn't him, Enders may not have ageed with what they came up with, and how they went about it, but I believe he would have realized it wasn't Hatch.

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#463 Feb 14, 2011
I also remember that the man who reported seeing a car drive up his road, with a body being dragged,(Mary Turner) was treated like a suspect, and he said he would never report another incident again.
Ken

Utica, NY

#464 Feb 14, 2011
Justicedenied13501 wrote:
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Ken,
From your disrespectful attitude it appears as though you are a McNamera fan...the point that was being made was that a man of utmost integrity, such as Mr. Enders, former Oneida County District Attorney, shared the same theory.
Scott McNamera sits in the position to make a determination and by all accounts, he lacks proof, too. He indicates that he believes that it was Hopkins, it appears as though the concensus of people on this forum and others don't believe him.
I am abslutely NOT a Scott McNamara fan, but unlike you, I do at least know how to spell his last name. I'm gonna say this again, because apparently you don't get it. What proof do you have that Hatch did it?

Mind you, I don't think Hopkins did it either. You probably shouod have asked me that before you posted... We are on the same page with McNamara (he is wrong)- we ARE NOT however on the same page with Hatch. Why don't you ask Enders NOW if he thinks Hatch did it? A zillion people thought it was Hatch until he was excluded by DNA. Enders and your father were WRONG.

Now, again..what proof do you have that Hatch did it other than your father and Enders thought he did it. That is NOT evidence and I would submit that if your father and Enders HAD evidence, Hatch would have been indicted YEARS ago - there is a reason he wasn't - he didn't do it.

Let's hear your evidence. The fact that your father thought he did doesn't cut it.

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#465 Feb 14, 2011
Exhausted wrote:
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PS- No I was not Saint.
Was this man a local resident, or did he come from elsewhere? Was he a serial killer? Some are saying that Joanne's books were neatly stacked, to indicate she knew him, others say no, they were scattered. Now, I know they have pictures at the scene, and they would show if they were scattered or not, and easily resolved, but I, for one, don't know how to get those pictures, and to be honest, I don't know if I would want to see them to begin with.
Cornhill Escapee

Bath, NC

#466 Feb 14, 2011
Hah, I've got to disagree with you on what good has come from bringing up this case. We owe it to poor Joanne, her family and anyone else who has suffered to end this case. I have a daughter and if she were to God forbid, be involved in this kind of tragedy would hunt to the ends of the earth for justice. Come to think of it, considering how close knit the UPD was back in 72 I wouldn't have been a bit surprised if they had caught the perp he would have been brought in by way of body bag after real justice had been inflicted on him. As far as D Inserra, he suffered from that ordeal and I highly doubt there was any cover up concerning the sketch.
question

Utica, NY

#467 Feb 14, 2011
was it because there was some info about a judges nephew? and the fact that his family left town for Massachusetts not long after the murder.
Remsen wrote:
<quoted text> I also wonder about this. Being 18, us girls use to like to flirt with the police officers, lol. And of course, they didn't complain either. But one particular one had said that there was a person he really wanted to look into, being followed by a lead, and he was told to leave it alone. I have to wonder if this may be the one you are talking about? Of course, I know that would be impossible for you to answer, because he could have been talking about someone entirely different. But what you have said in here, has brought back a lot of issues that I havn't thought of in years. I also say this, being the fact that they consider this case closed, you are going to have a lot tougher time getting their attention. Maybe if you called someone that could publicize(sp) what info you do have, they may get on the ball. Just one of many suggestions here. I also have to ask you if you were using the title Saint in the earlier postings? Just curious, lol.

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#468 Feb 14, 2011
question wrote:
was it because there was some info about a judges nephew? and the fact that his family left town for Massachusetts not long after the murder.
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Hard to say. It could just be that! Or they just didn't want to persue the issue due to lack of evidence, or they didn't feel like he was a "likely" suspect. We could go around the block with that one. I do remember hearing that someone of higher authority had some kind of involvement in this case. But I also heard that someone they figure did it was in a sanitarium for mental illness that was also a "likely" suspect. Never did know how true that one was either.

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#469 Feb 14, 2011
That's just it, back then, with all the rumors flying around, anyone was a suspect. People asking, were there two killers, was it my next door neighbor, he gives me the creeps, did someone actually witness the whole thing and not tell because he or she was scared? A lot of it going around back then, Everyone and their brother was a suspect back then. Remember how we use to walk by a stranger and say hello? Then it was, the heck with being polite, keep your head down and pretend you don't see them, then noone can accuse you of encouraging them, cause it doesn't take much to set one of these kooks off. It was awful!

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