Family trapped in house fire
Take Your Time

Herkimer, NY

#91 Feb 16, 2014
That first footage of fire truck arriving and him getting out of truck looked like he was not in too much of a hurry.
Uticasucks

Troy, NY

#92 Feb 16, 2014
Well he may have been the one that stays near the truck. After September 11th they now have one guy stay with the truck at all times. Or he could have been the one that would be running the command post
Take Your Time wrote:
That first footage of fire truck arriving and him getting out of truck looked like he was not in too much of a hurry.
Uticasucks

Troy, NY

#93 Feb 16, 2014
Attention its time for all of you white trailer trash people to stop with the negative mean comments about what happened here. Lets all shut off our Obama Phones with the free internet. Unplug our I pads, I Pens, Laptop computers etc oh yea and the free Obama I phone and free internet access. lets give it a rest for the night.
Two little children and a young adult lost their lives lets let the family greave and put all this behind them. lets also give the NHFD and NHPD a break they did everything they could to try and save these children and I am honored to know they are both protecting the community I live in. But for now lets stop with the Criticsims here.
locksandkeys

Troy, NY

#94 Feb 16, 2014
I would like to know what everyones qualifications are here to judge NHFDS response to this incident. Sounds like all you wana bee fireman have some pretty GOOD IDEAS NOT
troop

Norfolk, NE

#95 Feb 16, 2014
Uticasucks wrote:
Attention its time for all of you white trailer trash people to stop with the negative mean comments about what happened here. Lets all shut off our Obama Phones with the free internet. Unplug our I pads, I Pens, Laptop computers etc oh yea and the free Obama I phone and free internet access. lets give it a rest for the night.
Two little children and a young adult lost their lives lets let the family greave and put all this behind them. lets also give the NHFD and NHPD a break they did everything they could to try and save these children and I am honored to know they are both protecting the community I live in. But for now lets stop with the Criticsims here.
You said you were a cop, tell me what software you run on the laptop in your cruiser and how you connect to dispatch with it. What software runs plate ID ?
Some people would like answers, when a child dies they want to know if it could have been prevented or if there was neglect. Can't blame them. Accidental is not an answer, there are a hundred questions not answered by the media.
free phones

Sherburne, NY

#96 Feb 16, 2014
Obama free phones DO NOT have free internet! This family needs prayers and lots of them! RIP
uticasucks

Troy, NY

#97 Feb 16, 2014
First of all i never said I was a cop I am not and have no interest of doing that job. I have worked in the law enforcement field as a Civilian employee so maybe my wording was wrong and yes i worked the grave yard shift from 12am to 8am and yes at 1030am in the morning I was sound asleep.
As far as people wanting answers when a child dies how is it right to spit in the eyes of the family by making comments when you do not know the facts
troop wrote:
<quoted text> You said you were a cop, tell me what software you run on the laptop in your cruiser and how you connect to dispatch with it. What software runs plate ID ?
Some people would like answers, when a child dies they want to know if it could have been prevented or if there was neglect. Can't blame them. Accidental is not an answer, there are a hundred questions not answered by the media.
troop

Kearney, NE

#102 Feb 16, 2014
uticasucks wrote:
First of all i never said I was a cop I am not and have no interest of doing that job. I have worked in the law enforcement field as a Civilian employee so maybe my wording was wrong and yes i worked the grave yard shift from 12am to 8am and yes at 1030am in the morning I was sound asleep.
As far as people wanting answers when a child dies how is it right to spit in the eyes of the family by making comments when you do not know the facts
<quoted text>
Do you train K9, wash their uniforms ?, 911 dispatch ?, Crime Analysts ?, Records Management.

I don't care when you sleep, only asked because I saw you saying law enforcement. As for facts, people will never get the real facts. The people knocking the FD, never had a job.
The others you just ignore, if not they will post more just to bother you.

People who post the posters are trash, will get flooded with nasty comments, and just because they get removed, can cause a hundred to pop up so no one wins.

Who ever reported the post should have had this entire thread removed.

The media has spoken, and nothing more can be learned, this entire post should be removed.

The media should take it's head out of it's butt, there was so many different facts and info posted, it just confuses people and they don't know what really happened.

troop

Kearney, NE

#103 Feb 16, 2014
Cretin wrote:
<quoted text>
You need help. Please get some. No kidding, no joking around, go get help. Please.
I'm surprised at you, after 2mins you should known this thing has no hope and nothing can help it but a 44mag.
My Two Cents

Utica, NY

#104 Feb 16, 2014
The NHFD is a volunteer FD, NOT paid. Perhaps that firetruck turned down that street the wrong way so as to hit a hydrant with hoses on way to the scene, rather than go past the scene to reach a hydrant and then come back. Certain people that use United States for their location are obviously embarrassed to admit what ghetto they reside in while badmouthing other areas.
Do Too

Utica, NY

#105 Feb 17, 2014
Larry Flabbermouth Joshef wrote:
<quoted text>I don't live there retard. I'm not dependent on the upstate NY Cult of Awesome Public Safety or my survival. Hey if I punch you in your face will a LEO Award Plaque shoot out of your face like a Pez Dispenser?

You most certainly do live here. You're so stupid with your banter, you give yourself away. You know too much of the area, up to the date events and news and local present details. PLUS, why would you care and spend all the time with this area that you do otherwise?
Ha Ha Ha

Utica, NY

#106 Feb 17, 2014
Larry Flabbermouth Joshef wrote:
I could picture these losers in a carrier fire in the Navy.
Lt: "Why aren't you dumping that ordnance form the bomb farm as your duty requires?! This is an emergency!"
Upstate NY inbreed:" Well if YOU can do better and YOUR qualifications say you know better than YOU do it!"
The only thing you've ever had to do with a carrier is see a photo of one on the Net. Ha, Ha, Ha. LOSER!!!!
Right

Little Falls, NY

#107 Feb 17, 2014
My Two Cents wrote:
The NHFD is a volunteer FD, NOT paid. Perhaps that firetruck turned down that street the wrong way so as to hit a hydrant with hoses on way to the scene, rather than go past the scene to reach a hydrant and then come back. Certain people that use United States for their location are obviously embarrassed to admit what ghetto they reside in while badmouthing other areas.
Fire vehicles are emergency vehicles. They can go down the wrong way in an emergency. If you ever got off your fat ass and out of the house away from your mom to take your test for driving you might know this. Scumbag
True

Ithaca, NY

#108 Feb 17, 2014
Brooks was called in to determine the orgin of the fire, Space heater was the cause.
uticasucks

Troy, NY

#111 Feb 17, 2014
I do not think the person was trying to make excuses here. If anybody with 1/2 a brain saw the you tube video the house was fully involved before the fire department got their. They tried the fire was to large and hot for the fire fighters to enter safely. Second if you know the new hartford fire department they are a volunteer department and do not get a single nickel for fighting the fire
Larry Flabbermouth Joshef wrote:
<quoted text>Sounds more like you're trying to make excuses with childish upstate loser logic that's served your standards so well so far- "Well, if YOU can do better than YOU do it.
No retard see we're not from upstate and that doesn't work cept' for retards.
THEY take the pay and glory and wanted the job, now THEY can answer for it when "Gloryland USA" collapses on them. See how the retard logic doesn't work? Maybe that's why upstate is a loser povertyhole with no standards and the highest public safety costs around retard. Maybe some day you parasites and excuse makers will learn that.
If you cannot do the job I am sure some other toothless alcoholic glory boy or old man will step up and do it end of story not "well if you can do better".
You want the glory, earn it don't cry when the cards don't play out as you'd have liked. That's a lil CNY and your results show it's just not helping you hillbillies. How's them taxes feelin?
Georgie T

Utica, NY

#112 Feb 17, 2014
I knew Jennifer. She was trying to make the best of her situation, and she loved little Vinnie. Janet has had a hard life and has done everything she could for her family. She needs everyone's prayers, not speculation of what was done wrong. That doesn't matter any more.
Waste

Little Falls, NY

#114 Feb 17, 2014
Larry Flabbermouth Joshef wrote:
<quoted text>Well! Lookie here we have someone smart enough to actually define the problem! If you didn't spend all your taxes on phony unaccountable layers of public safety perhaps you could have a paid FD and the faster response times that go along with it.
Cmon whiners if you dry your tears and work together you'll fckn get it one of these years! How's those taxes doin' yas up there?
Does your ignorant ass even know the response time for this fire? You do not. You are a fool. And speak with ignorance.

The fire dept doesn't have a Star Trek transporter yet. It won't be around for a few hundred more years. So they need to get in a truck and drive there. Gfys
tragedy

New Paltz, NY

#115 Feb 17, 2014
Police departments and fire departments put their lives on the line all the time. I have the highest respect for them and I would never be able to do their jobs. There may have been no chance for this family with the way some of the videos looked. However, there was a very brief video posted, I believe by the NHFD and it was titled
something to the effect of first truck on the scene or first pumper...something like that. You can see the truck pull up and you can see the flames. However, the firemen got out of the truck and were slowly putting on gloves. No one was running toward the truck or pulling out hoses or anything. It does leave a lot of questions. Listening to the scanner, there was conversation back and forth on which road to turn on to get there. I'm not blaming anyone in this tragedy but that particular video leaves one with a lot of questions and concerns.
edelbrock

Whitesboro, NY

#117 Feb 17, 2014
tragedy wrote:
Police departments and fire departments put their lives on the line all the time. I have the highest respect for them and I would never be able to do their jobs. There may have been no chance for this family with the way some of the videos looked. However, there was a very brief video posted, I believe by the NHFD and it was titled
something to the effect of first truck on the scene or first pumper...something like that. You can see the truck pull up and you can see the flames. However, the firemen got out of the truck and were slowly putting on gloves. No one was running toward the truck or pulling out hoses or anything. It does leave a lot of questions. Listening to the scanner, there was conversation back and forth on which road to turn on to get there. I'm not blaming anyone in this tragedy but that particular video leaves one with a lot of questions and concerns.
You question fire dept, why didn't the family escape through the fire window that each bedroom is suppose to have, why was there no fire ladder upstairs, why didn't the people who escaped go to the least damaged part of the house, the bedrooms and take the kids out the fire window ?....
tragedy

Utica, NY

#119 Feb 17, 2014
edelbrock wrote:
<quoted text>You question fire dept, why didn't the family escape through the fire window that each bedroom is suppose to have, why was there no fire ladder upstairs, why didn't the people who escaped go to the least damaged part of the house, the bedrooms and take the kids out the fire window ?....
Talk to the police department and you will find out where everyone was at the time the fire broke out and you will understand why it was impossible to get to the victims that were trapped and why they were unable to escape. Had the fire department known where this street was and how to get to it and moved faster, maybe this nightmare could have been minimized. Then again considering the size of the house and the number of occupants, I'm sure that it went up very quickly. That many people residing in that small of a home, means a lot of clothese, toys, boxes, beds, cribs, etc. I'm sure it was jam packed.

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