The Great Fort Stanwix

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Brindisi Coverup Riggies

Philadelphia, PA

#1 Apr 8, 2014
Only a million bucks spent a year to keep this fake fort open. What a gem of society.
ummm

Utica, NY

#2 Apr 9, 2014
Dude millions of people come from around the world to visit it... Its a top tourist destination, that and Erie canal village and Oriskany battle field , haven't you ever seen the lines of cars going into them all ?
Brindisi Coverup Riggies

Philadelphia, PA

#3 Apr 9, 2014
ummm wrote:
Dude millions of people come from around the world to visit it... Its a top tourist destination, that and Erie canal village and Oriskany battle field , haven't you ever seen the lines of cars going into them all ?
Sorry. You're right. Lol!!!
Same

Utica, NY

#4 Apr 9, 2014
The money is well spent! I haven't seen a redcoat attack anyone in Rome in ages! Job well done!
Coverup Brindisi Riggies

Philadelphia, PA

#5 Apr 9, 2014
Same wrote:
The money is well spent! I haven't seen a redcoat attack anyone in Rome in ages! Job well done!
Lol!
Jerk

Utica, NY

#6 Apr 9, 2014
Coverup Brindisi Riggies wrote:
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Lol!
PA where 16 year old stabs classmates and poster supports drug dealing people that terrorize a neighborhood and not someone who had the guts to stick up to them.
Coverup Brindisi Riggies

Philadelphia, PA

#7 Apr 9, 2014
Jerk wrote:
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PA where 16 year old stabs classmates and poster supports drug dealing people that terrorize a neighborhood and not someone who had the guts to stick up to them.
Well at least it's not utica.

Level 2

Since: Jun 12

Sherrill, NY

#9 Apr 9, 2014
It the scheme of things, a million bucks ain't shit.
Coverup Brindisi Riggies

Philadelphia, PA

#10 Apr 9, 2014
LBT_Animosity wrote:
It the scheme of things, a million bucks ain't shit.
Really? Ask the city of Utica how much they could use a million bucks right now.

Level 2

Since: Jun 12

Sherrill, NY

#11 Apr 10, 2014
Seeing that's federal money, it's drop in the bucket. Would you like to take all monies away from historic sites so we have no history left except from those who make it up on the internet? I want my kids to grow and see the history (no matter if it's not the original fort) and feel it instead of not knowing about it all.

Utica's government has created their own problem over the past few decades, let alone all the manufacturing and Base jobs that have left area over the years. Utica has to figure a way to raise that money or ask for federal and state help. Seeing as how the federal government ignored those affected by the flood last year and how the state doesn't really listen to it's upstate constituents, it's just going to fall on deaf ears.
Mary

United States

#12 Apr 10, 2014
Same wrote:
The money is well spent! I haven't seen a redcoat attack anyone in Rome in ages! Job well done!
This is funny!
Nano Nono Riggies

Pennsburg, PA

#13 Apr 10, 2014
LBT_Animosity wrote:
Seeing that's federal money, it's drop in the bucket. Would you like to take all monies away from historic sites so we have no history left except from those who make it up on the internet? I want my kids to grow and see the history (no matter if it's not the original fort) and feel it instead of not knowing about it all.
Utica's government has created their own problem over the past few decades, let alone all the manufacturing and Base jobs that have left area over the years. Utica has to figure a way to raise that money or ask for federal and state help. Seeing as how the federal government ignored those affected by the flood last year and how the state doesn't really listen to it's upstate constituents, it's just going to fall on deaf ears.
So a million dollars is a drop in the bucket? Ok...you're right...but how many drops are out there nationwide having hard earned money wasted on them like a ridiculous fake fort? But then again just keep your head in the sand and ignoring the issues.

Level 2

Since: Jun 12

Sherrill, NY

#14 Apr 10, 2014
Who cares if it's a fake fort. You keep harping on it. It does more than just sits there, it keeps our history alive for future generations to discover. If this was just some pork barrel spending, I may be in agreement.

Enlighten me on the issues my head is buried in the sand on?
Nano Nono Riggies

Pennsburg, PA

#15 Apr 10, 2014
LBT_Animosity wrote:
Who cares if it's a fake fort. You keep harping on it. It does more than just sits there, it keeps our history alive for future generations to discover. If this was just some pork barrel spending, I may be in agreement.
Enlighten me on the issues my head is buried in the sand on?
Keeps your history alive? For who? Nothing explained there can't be found online or in a book. It's an absolute waste of taxpayer money.

Level 2

Since: Jun 12

Sherrill, NY

#16 Apr 11, 2014
Like I said, enlighten me on issues instead just bitching about nonsense. I like tactile learning, where you can actually touch things that have a history behind it. I like seeing it for myself in color instead of the impersonal means of the internet. I'll read the book then go and find it.

You probably think everything is a waste of taxpayer money if it's not going to something you want. I bet you'd close the national and state parks, the Erie Canal, and every other historical and national landmark we have to save a buck.
Nano Nono Riggies

Havertown, PA

#17 Apr 11, 2014
LBT_Animosity wrote:
Like I said, enlighten me on issues instead just bitching about nonsense. I like tactile learning, where you can actually touch things that have a history behind it. I like seeing it for myself in color instead of the impersonal means of the internet. I'll read the book then go and find it.
You probably think everything is a waste of taxpayer money if it's not going to something you want. I bet you'd close the national and state parks, the Erie Canal, and every other historical and national landmark we have to save a buck.
Enlighten you? You like tactile learning? Ok. Well unfortunately the world has passed you by then. Just look at the way children are taught today. Just look at technology.

And btw...fort Stanwix is a reconstructed building. It's not an original building. It's a fraud. Visiting there does not bring anyone closer to history. It's a waste of tax payer money on a fake fort where the workers parade around like its a broadway show.

Level 2

Since: Jun 12

Sherrill, NY

#18 Apr 11, 2014
I'm glad the world has passed me by seeing how selfish, self-absorbing, and impersonal it has become. Technology can never replace a natural experience. As I said before, I know it's the "fake" fort and not the original. There's pictures showing it being built. Visiting there DOES bring people closer to history due to it's design, stories, and artifacts. If it was "fake" it wouldn't exist. Learning with your hands is, in my opinion, the best way to learn. I'm just waiting for the day "the grid" collapses and everyone loses everything they "own" in some "cloud" they keep their "stuff" in.

You seem jilted or do you believe you're owed something?

You still haven't enlightened me to the real issues, but I'm use to people like you with your empty thoughts devoid of any substance. Please tell me how to better spend the money?
Nano Nono Riggies

Havertown, PA

#19 Apr 11, 2014
LBT_Animosity wrote:
I'm glad the world has passed me by seeing how selfish, self-absorbing, and impersonal it has become. Technology can never replace a natural experience. As I said before, I know it's the "fake" fort and not the original. There's pictures showing it being built. Visiting there DOES bring people closer to history due to it's design, stories, and artifacts. If it was "fake" it wouldn't exist. Learning with your hands is, in my opinion, the best way to learn. I'm just waiting for the day "the grid" collapses and everyone loses everything they "own" in some "cloud" they keep their "stuff" in.
You seem jilted or do you believe you're owed something?
You still haven't enlightened me to the real issues, but I'm use to people like you with your empty thoughts devoid of any substance. Please tell me how to better spend the money?
Keep talking with your "the sky is falling" philosophy. Reality is reality. It's a fake fort that a million dollars of taxpayer money is wasted on per year. There is zero history there. It's nothing more than a third rate broadway show. It does absolutely zero benefit for that region.

You want a better idea how that money could be spent? How about paving the broken down roads? How about enforcing the codes for broken down homes that Rome is too broke to enforce? How about financial incentives for business that actually generates money? How about lowering your taxes instead of finding a fake fort? Should I continue?

Level 2

Since: Jun 12

Sherrill, NY

#20 Apr 11, 2014
Like I said, Federal Money goes to the Fort. It's the hub for the Revolutionary War in this area. It must be a third rate Broadway show like Civil War Reenactments that actually show how brutal that war was and how it was fought. I guess you haven't seen the legions of people that gather around the Fort for the summer fireworks. That doesn't benefit anybody.

Find a better way to manage the state and county purses and maybe we'll have roads fixed. Find a better way to manage the local fiefdoms then we can talk about raising money for all of this. Lowering taxes for the Fort will do nothing. Your talking about .00000000001 of your tax bill going to the fort. The State is giving financial incentives for business with tax breaks. So let's generate some money when those tax breaks expire when the businesses move.

It's the same cycle, give the businesses the break and we'll have money! Yay! Aww...the business has moved. Pollute the land, save and make money without putting any of it back in the community, and then off to another community to suck it dry. Same shit, different town. Everybody so happy for our area to be saturated with Moe's and Five Guys and then they close a store within a year or two. Jobs gone. The only thing it did was it was able to give someone a job for a few years and then back on the heap to go looking for the next minimum wage job. There would be more money if companies opened up their coffers and hired a few more people.

The sky is falling because all we do is spend endless hours bitching about stuff on the internet behind anonymous names instead of being proactive about it.

What the fuck is enforcing codes going to do? Push the underclass to homelessness? Clear out new property for a "business zone?" Generate a lot of money that way. Give a call to City Hall and ask them if the codes are being enforced. In fact, call all the absentee landlords or home owners that live hundreds of miles out of the area and ask them why their properties haven't been updated or look broken down?

Continue, please do. Your Fort agenda is comical.

Here's one I'd like seen done: tax alcohol. The State damn near is killing tobacco with it's tax, let's do the same with liquor. I mean, insurance premiums sure went down with all those smokers who quit. We have enough people in this State that drink. Let's tax them and generate money to fix the roads and spend on education.

The reality is if you got a problem with a "fake" Fort that's operated on the Federal dime, call your local U.S. congressman or senator.
Chicken Rigatoni Riggies

Havertown, PA

#21 Apr 11, 2014
LBT_Animosity wrote:
Like I said, Federal Money goes to the Fort. It's the hub for the Revolutionary War in this area. It must be a third rate Broadway show like Civil War Reenactments that actually show how brutal that war was and how it was fought. I guess you haven't seen the legions of people that gather around the Fort for the summer fireworks. That doesn't benefit anybody.
Find a better way to manage the state and county purses and maybe we'll have roads fixed. Find a better way to manage the local fiefdoms then we can talk about raising money for all of this. Lowering taxes for the Fort will do nothing. Your talking about .00000000001 of your tax bill going to the fort. The State is giving financial incentives for business with tax breaks. So let's generate some money when those tax breaks expire when the businesses move.
It's the same cycle, give the businesses the break and we'll have money! Yay! Aww...the business has moved. Pollute the land, save and make money without putting any of it back in the community, and then off to another community to suck it dry. Same shit, different town. Everybody so happy for our area to be saturated with Moe's and Five Guys and then they close a store within a year or two. Jobs gone. The only thing it did was it was able to give someone a job for a few years and then back on the heap to go looking for the next minimum wage job. There would be more money if companies opened up their coffers and hired a few more people.
The sky is falling because all we do is spend endless hours bitching about stuff on the internet behind anonymous names instead of being proactive about it.
What the fuck is enforcing codes going to do? Push the underclass to homelessness? Clear out new property for a "business zone?" Generate a lot of money that way. Give a call to City Hall and ask them if the codes are being enforced. In fact, call all the absentee landlords or home owners that live hundreds of miles out of the area and ask them why their properties haven't been updated or look broken down?
Continue, please do. Your Fort agenda is comical.
Here's one I'd like seen done: tax alcohol. The State damn near is killing tobacco with it's tax, let's do the same with liquor. I mean, insurance premiums sure went down with all those smokers who quit. We have enough people in this State that drink. Let's tax them and generate money to fix the roads and spend on education.
The reality is if you got a problem with a "fake" Fort that's operated on the Federal dime, call your local U.S. congressman or senator.
You know what's comical? Its you idiots there that think because it's "federally funded" it doesn't cost you money. Are you truly this blind? It's a fake fort with a bunch of bad actors. That's it. It's a government run Disney attraction that no one cares about. Man you people are dense.

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