Retired Law Enforcement Appeal to SAF...

Retired Law Enforcement Appeal to SAFE Act

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Is This Fair

Clark Mills, NY

#1 May 23, 2013
http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2013/0...

From the article: "...exempt retired state and federal law enforcement officers from a new ban on certain semi-automatic guns and large capacity magazines"

If they are retired, they are no longer serving and should be considered a citizen, same as you and I. What makes retired law enforcement so special?
combatant

Agawam, MA

#2 May 23, 2013
Is This Fair wrote:
http://www.syracuse.com/news/i ndex.ssf/2013/05/happening_now _ny_assembly_deba.html#incart_ river_default
From the article: "...exempt retired state and federal law enforcement officers from a new ban on certain semi-automatic guns and large capacity magazines"
If they are retired, they are no longer serving and should be considered a citizen, same as you and I. What makes retired law enforcement so special?
Well for one they have handled guns all their lives. They are familiar with weapons of all shapes and sizes, and statistically law enforcement officers are least likely to be involved in a crime.
A Former One

Utica, NY

#3 May 23, 2013
Because of HR218 - The Federal Officer's Safety Act.
They have experience, training, knowledge, judgement and ability to step up and protect someone or their property, or perhaps save a life. More so than an average citizen that purchases a weapon, fires a box of rounds through it, and puts it under their bed or in their glove box for protection, and empties it into the floor or ground before ever getting it at point, due to emotional excitement. Have you not heard of "Buck Fever". A gun, especially the right one, is like a parachute. If you don't have one when you need one, you probably won't need one again. You don't want to have every possible means of protection for you and your loved ones at hand, even if it's due to a former law enforcement having an advantage you don't? Do I detect jealousy? I certainly hope no one loses their life due to a vote based on jealousy!
EXTEMSREGGIN SAVE AMERICA

Gouverneur, NY

#7 May 23, 2013
More UPD racism here wrote:
<quoted text>Ya gotta love how these fake cops upstate have to blatantly LIE ... KNOWING they are lying just to present their fat fraud faces in a positive light!
Seeing how easily they help themselves to lies you have no question how they help themselves to whatever they want.
Talk about thin skinned and desperate to change what people are saying!
SREGGIN are a disease that needs cleaning.

The SREGGIN are vile scum that starve children to death an burn witches.

They are the disease of America, the leeches.

Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery.
* When blacks commit crimes of violence, they are nearly three times more likely than non-blacks to use a gun, and more than twice as likely to use a knife.
* Hispanics commit violent crimes at roughly three times the white rate, and Asians commit violent crimes at about one quarter the white rate.
* The single best indicator of violent crime levels in an area is the percentage of the population that is black and Hispanic.

Interracial Crime

* Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year involving blacks and whites, blacks commit 85 percent and whites commit 15 percent.
* Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against blacks. Forty-five percent of their victims are white, 43 percent are black, and 10 percent are Hispanic. When whites commit violent crime, only three percent of their victims are black.
* Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against a white than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery.
* Blacks are 2.25 times more likely to commit officially-designated hate crimes against whites than vice versa.

Gangs

* Only 10 percent of youth gang members are white.
* Hispanics are 19 times more likely than whites to be members of youth gangs. Blacks are 15 times more likely, and Asians are nine times more likely.

Weapons violations are committed by Blacks at nearly 5 times the rate for Whites;

Blacks are caught receiving or buying stolen property at nearly 5 times the rate for Whites;

Blacks are involved in prostitution at almost 4 times the rate for Whites;

Blacks are arrested for drug crimes at over 4 times the rate for Whites;

Blacks are more than three times as likely as Whites to be caught at forgery, counterfeiting, and fraud, and almost three times as likely to be caught at embezzlement;

Blacks are more than 3 times as likely to be thieves as Whites;

Blacks are more than 4 times as likely to commit assault as Whites;

Blacks are almost 4.5 times as likely to steal a motor vehicle;

Blacks are more than 5 times as likely to commit forcible rape as Whites;

Blacks are over 8 times as likely to commit murder as Whites;

Blacks are more than 10 times as likely to commit robbery as Whites;

Nearly 25% of all Black males between the ages of 20 and 29 are in jail or on probation - this does not include those wanted or awaiting trial;

For all violent crimes considered together, Blacks are almost 5.5 times more likely to commit violent criminal acts than Whites; all this according to the FBI Uniform Crime Report.

Blacks are four times more likely than Whites to kill their children...

28% of black males go to jail, vs. 4.4% of White males

68.7% of blacks are born out of wedlock!

56% of black women have genital herpes!!!

62% of ALL black births are paid for by the US government.
Rock

Ardsley, NY

#8 May 23, 2013
Is This Fair wrote:
http://www.syracuse.com/news/i ndex.ssf/2013/05/happening_now _ny_assembly_deba.html#incart_ river_default
From the article: "...exempt retired state and federal law enforcement officers from a new ban on certain semi-automatic guns and large capacity magazines"
If they are retired, they are no longer serving and should be considered a citizen, same as you and I. What makes retired law enforcement so special?
I work in LE and don't feel I should be covered once I retire.
Small Package

Ithaca, NY

#10 May 23, 2013
Attention Small Penis Gun Club members:
Be careful when cleaning "you gun" if you rub it too fast it may go off.
Rube Goldberg

Ithaca, NY

#12 May 23, 2013
I have 200 Shot Guns, loaded and aimed at my front door.
Trip wires and Infra Red Cameras(hope it works)......Uh Oh.....how do I get out of here?
ridNHof yuppydorks

Little Falls, NY

#13 May 23, 2013
Take a job as a cop. then retire. Then you too can get this privilege.

....All these years of dealing with scum-bags, and then in retirement you want retired law enforcement to be sitting targets?
Don t Believe You

Utica, NY

#14 May 23, 2013
Rock wrote:
<quoted text>
I work in LE and don't feel I should be covered once I retire.
With that attitude, I don't think you should be now, and I'm betting you're not.

KY WELLER
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Since: Jun 10

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#15 May 23, 2013
combatant wrote:
<quoted text>
Well for one they have handled guns all their lives. They are familiar with weapons of all shapes and sizes, and statistically law enforcement officers are least likely to be involved in a crime.
Least likely to be charged by former co-workers,you mean...
dingdongditch

Clark Mills, NY

#16 May 24, 2013
combatant wrote:
<quoted text>
Well for one they have handled guns all their lives. They are familiar with weapons of all shapes and sizes, and statistically law enforcement officers are least likely to be involved in a crime.
Here is the problem with this train of thought. If retired law enforcement officers are considered capable of handling large capacity magazines and combat weapons, then why can't veterans of the armed forces? And if we exempt veterans from this law, why not exempt firefighters from this law as well, because they fulfill their obligation to society and put their life on the line?

At the end of the day, everyone is a civilian. In plain clothes, you can't tell an off-duty police officer or army vet on leave from anybody else on the street.

Dividing gun owners into two classes is not going to go over well.
streetrunner

Babylon, NY

#17 Aug 5, 2013
Having a CCW can cause problems for the carrier. If o shoot you I am going to have to face up to being arrested, go through court system, possible jail time, legal fees, publicity, etc. Better to avoid this and dont carry.
ida has free money

Mooresville, NC

#18 Aug 5, 2013
ridNHof yuppydorks wrote:
Take a job as a cop. then retire. Then you too can get this privilege.
....All these years of dealing with scum-bags, and then in retirement you want retired law enforcement to be sitting targets?
yup i do.besides whats new le has a een exempt from most laws they enforce for years and even when they are caught they walk.plz dont make us list all these corrupt local cops again. And thatz just yhe ones we know about.
Sam

Greig, NY

#19 Aug 5, 2013
combatant wrote:
<quoted text>
Well for one they have handled guns all their lives. They are familiar with weapons of all shapes and sizes, and statistically law enforcement officers are least likely to be involved in a crime.
OH like the Law Enforcement Father who shot his son in Old Forge
Dream on

United States

#20 Aug 5, 2013
A Former One wrote:
Because of HR218 - The Federal Officer's Safety Act.
They have experience, training, knowledge, judgement and ability to step up and protect someone or their property, or perhaps save a life. More so than an average citizen that purchases a weapon, fires a box of rounds through it, and puts it under their bed or in their glove box for protection, and empties it into the floor or ground before ever getting it at point, due to emotional excitement. Have you not heard of "Buck Fever". A gun, especially the right one, is like a parachute. If you don't have one when you need one, you probably won't need one again. You don't want to have every possible means of protection for you and your loved ones at hand, even if it's due to a former law enforcement having an advantage you don't? Do I detect jealousy? I certainly hope no one loses their life due to a vote based on jealousy!
Statistically retired cops are more dangerous with their guns actually, us vets and manufacturers have permits that the state of NY can't touch. Check the FBI uniform crime statistics so you learn.

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#21 Feb 27, 2014
Dream on wrote:
<quoted text>Statistically retired cops are more dangerous with their guns actually, us vets and manufacturers have permits that the state of NY can't touch. Check the FBI uniform crime statistics so you learn.
You have that right!

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