UPD residency rules

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Curious

Syracuse, NY

#1 May 19, 2010
Does anyone know how this works? If say...a UPD officer of 10 years who sells his home and purchases a home in a neighboring town as a principal residence- and does actually move in, is this allowed?
try this

Syracuse, NY

#2 May 19, 2010
Curious wrote:
Does anyone know how this works? If say...a UPD officer of 10 years who sells his home and purchases a home in a neighboring town as a principal residence- and does actually move in, is this allowed?
NOTE: The Utica City Charter, Section 2.045 requires except as otherwise provided by law, a residency
requirement for all prospective officers and employees of the city including members of the police force.
Every person initially employed by the City, shall as a qualification of employment, become a resident of the
City within six (6) months of the date of initial service for the City. During an employee’s time of service, no
such employee shall cease to be a resident of the City.
Curious

Syracuse, NY

#3 May 19, 2010
try this wrote:
<quoted text>
NOTE: The Utica City Charter, Section 2.045 requires except as otherwise provided by law, a residency
requirement for all prospective officers and employees of the city including members of the police force.
Every person initially employed by the City, shall as a qualification of employment, become a resident of the
City within six (6) months of the date of initial service for the City. During an employee’s time of service, no
such employee shall cease to be a resident of the City.
Must be a loophole. I know of one that lived out of district, divorced, moved back to the city, bought a new home out of the city and lives there now. Is this allowed?
Yello

Syracuse, NY

#4 May 19, 2010
I know of one who just purchased a home in Whitesboro! hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Level 2

Since: Jul 09

United States

#5 May 19, 2010
There is no loophole in a City Charter that the voters voted on. Residency is a clearly defined law that is enforceable. Yes there are many who flaunt any law until caught. tighter controls must be in place to assure the will of the people who voted for such laws are enforced.
Rose

AOL

#6 May 19, 2010
I cannot see how this can be enforced. Are u gonna live in the area for 10 yrs, it goes down the drain & you're expected to stay? I don't think so.
true

Syracuse, NY

#7 May 19, 2010
William Newell wrote:
There is no loophole in a City Charter that the voters voted on. Residency is a clearly defined law that is enforceable. Yes there are many who flaunt any law until caught. tighter controls must be in place to assure the will of the people who voted for such laws are enforced.
Exactly! Each administration continues to coddle the local special interest.
stupid idea

Watertown, NY

#8 May 19, 2010
I don't think the police should live where they work. It was dumb that they had the residents of Utica vote on that, of COURSE they want the police to live in their city, they will feel "safer". But when it comes down to helping the police when something happens, that won't happen. Utica is getting nasty, and the police deal with enough crap during the day, just to go back home and have it surround them. There was one officer who had a drug dealer move in right accross the street.
HEYSTALKER

Camillus, NY

#9 May 20, 2010
Curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Must be a loophole. I know of one that lived out of district, divorced, moved back to the city, bought a new home out of the city and lives there now. Is this allowed?
You are A F'ING LOSER! GET A LIFE! I KNOW WHO YOU ARE! Find someone else to bother. You never stop..EVER!You must have a lot of time on your hands. Really- you are so obsessed.
Howard

New York, NY

#10 May 20, 2010
The new police chief does not even live in Uica

Level 1

Since: Jan 09

Topicville

#11 May 20, 2010
Curious wrote:
Does anyone know how this works? If say...a UPD officer of 10 years who sells his home and purchases a home in a neighboring town as a principal residence- and does actually move in, is this allowed?
heres how it works. mind your own business
Wrong

Utica, NY

#12 May 20, 2010
Topic King wrote:
<quoted text>heres how it works. mind your own business
People should mind their own business when the Police are breaking the law? If you or anyone on the Police force disagrees with the law, then they should petition to have it changed. Otherwise, until that happens, they have a duty to "honor" that law and all others. But I guess I'm just some nutjob for thinking that, right? As for feeling bad for any cop or city employee who is required to live within the city limits, I can't do it. They sign up for it knowing the conditions, so just like everybody else in this world, they should take the good with the bad.
the blind

Syracuse, NY

#13 May 20, 2010
Topic King wrote:
<quoted text>heres how it works. mind your own business
It is our business that police officers that swore to uphold the law are knowing circumventing it for personal gain. Yes, its our business when we taxpayers believe we're paying salaries to people who are spending the money in the city to only find out the money is Not staying here.

Its simple, if you want to work for the city live in it! My question is why do we continue to overlook this requirement? I would argue, UPD isn't doing an effective job because the officers may not care enough about the place they work. The poor guy that lives here surely does.

Tell the common council to enforce the rules on the book...no exceptions! We obviously can't get it enforced by the Chief or the Mayor.
Justice

Camillus, NY

#14 May 20, 2010
Wrong wrote:
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People should mind their own business when the Police are breaking the law? If you or anyone on the Police force disagrees with the law, then they should petition to have it changed. Otherwise, until that happens, they have a duty to "honor" that law and all others. But I guess I'm just some nutjob for thinking that, right? As for feeling bad for any cop or city employee who is required to live within the city limits, I can't do it. They sign up for it knowing the conditions, so just like everybody else in this world, they should take the good with the bad.
Yeah? Well, what do you have to say for the Officers that signed up for it when the conditions were they didn't have to live in the city? What about the Officers that signed up for the job, who didn't have to sign a contract to stay in the city?
Wrong

Utica, NY

#15 May 20, 2010
Justice wrote:
<quoted text>Yeah? Well, what do you have to say for the Officers that signed up for it when the conditions were they didn't have to live in the city? What about the Officers that signed up for the job, who didn't have to sign a contract to stay in the city?
Then their issue is with their superiors, or whoever decided to change things. Regardless of what happens, if it's a requirement, it's a requirement. If there are officers who didn't have to sign a residency contract, then it's up to "powers that be" to decide whether or not the new requirement should only apply to hires after a specific date, and if anyone who is already employed, is grandfathered in so the new requirement doesn't apply to them. Bottom line is, if the requirements change at any time and the requirements are mandatory for employment, then it's the responsibility of the officers to abide by that. The world ain't fair, I won't disagree with you on that.

Level 1

Since: Jan 09

Topicville

#16 May 20, 2010
the blind wrote:
<quoted text>It is our business that police officers that swore to uphold the law are knowing circumventing it for personal gain. Yes, its our business when we taxpayers believe we're paying salaries to people who are spending the money in the city to only find out the money is Not staying here.
Its simple, if you want to work for the city live in it! My question is why do we continue to overlook this requirement? I would argue, UPD isn't doing an effective job because the officers may not care enough about the place they work. The poor guy that lives here surely does.
Tell the common council to enforce the rules on the book...no exceptions! We obviously can't get it enforced by the Chief or the Mayor.
so a upd member living in new hartford is breaking the law by living there? the mayor is PISSING away money ...GIVING tax payer money away and your worried about a cop who goes to work everyday and earns his $ fair and square by putting his life on the line and where he is spending his money?

Level 1

Since: Jan 09

Topicville

#17 May 20, 2010
Wrong wrote:
<quoted text>
Then their issue is with their superiors, or whoever decided to change things. Regardless of what happens, if it's a requirement, it's a requirement. If there are officers who didn't have to sign a residency contract, then it's up to "powers that be" to decide whether or not the new requirement should only apply to hires after a specific date, and if anyone who is already employed, is grandfathered in so the new requirement doesn't apply to them. Bottom line is, if the requirements change at any time and the requirements are mandatory for employment, then it's the responsibility of the officers to abide by that. The world ain't fair, I won't disagree with you on that.
why dont you explain where u work.....if you work at wal mart then u can only shop there?......the money isnt staying at wal mart if you dont
Stupid

Watertown, NY

#18 May 20, 2010
This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Why don't the fireman fall into the same category?! It is ridiculous to force employees to live in Utica and, by doing so, you will just keep recycling people who just don't want to live there or have their children attend school there, thus paying out more money for more unnecessary academies and retraining.

Level 1

Since: Jan 09

Topicville

#19 May 20, 2010
Stupid wrote:
This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Why don't the fireman fall into the same category?! It is ridiculous to force employees to live in Utica and, by doing so, you will just keep recycling people who just don't want to live there or have their children attend school there, thus paying out more money for more unnecessary academies and retraining.
let people live where they want or the workers will be supporting more people on welfare
unbelieveable

Syracuse, NY

#20 May 20, 2010
Topic King wrote:
<quoted text>let people live where they want or the workers will be supporting more people on welfare
lol, this is unbelievable what I'm hearing. Don't you people arrest citizens everyday for not following the rules, but you shouldn't have to? where is your integrity? Start a petition to change the rule, seek exemption from your superiors, but knowingly circumventing established law as a LE officer is unethical and wrong. Jurors around the city are asked to punish individuals based on your testimony alone and now you tell me you have no integrity? The law is you must live in the city to be paid by the taxpayer. If you don't like it educate yourself for promotion to the state or federal level.

I believe the fire dept has the same requirement minus the grandfather clause. Somebody correct me if i'm wrong.

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