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The Utica Fire department and The Utica Police Department (overtime)

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How about this

New York, NY

#1 Mar 10, 2008
Personally, I do not think that anyone has the room to talk about the fire department or the police department, both of these jobs are dangerous and the men and women that go to these jobs don’t ask well how much money am I getting in overtime when they walk into a burning building or have to go to a bank robbery even what is it going to cost the tax payers to save this persons life, give me a break here the dangers these police officers and fire fighters have to face every day is something that no one should have the room to talk. Maybe you people should be worried about how much our public safety commissioner is making and so on. The firefighters and police officers make on average 40,000 to 80,000 a year for a job that one day they might not come home, so add up all those figures and see if that is worth your life.
Aint that the Truth

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#2 Mar 10, 2008
Their chiefs are all SIX figures
TypicalUtica

Fishers, NY

#3 Mar 10, 2008
The median household income in Utica is just under 25,000 dollars. That's household, not per person.

Just a little perspective.
Aint that the Truth

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#4 Mar 10, 2008
Thier chiefs are all SIX figures
Wave the Flag

Waterville, NY

#5 Mar 10, 2008
Yes, they are dangerous jobs. Do they come with power or thrills? Yes. What I love the most about badgelickers is that everytime someone questions runaway costs in public safety, we have to hear how dangerous the jobs are and that we should appreciate the people who do them. We do appreciate the jobs that they do, we do appreciate the risks that they take, we do appreciate the sacrifices that they COULD make, but we are not making it personal. This is America and we have a duty to question government and its processes. Last time I checked everyone who agrees to work for government agrees to uphold the Constitution. Don't bring you weak sh** about not coming home at night. If you don't want to take that risk, then don't take the job. Do something really important like being a teacher!
no they dont

Syracuse, NY

#6 Mar 10, 2008
Aint that the Truth wrote:
Their chiefs are all SIX figures
no they dont. stop your lying
no they dont

Syracuse, NY

#7 Mar 10, 2008
TypicalUtica wrote:
The median household income in Utica is just under 25,000 dollars. That's household, not per person.
Just a little perspective.
thats because 3/4 of utica chooses not to work
Employment Line

New York, NY

#8 Mar 10, 2008
And even if they did, they still would be below the median income.

$7.50/hr * 40 hrs/week =$300/wk

$300/wk * 52 weeks/yr =$15,600

In order to make the median income, a person/family would have to earn the equivalent of about $12/hr - many more jobs are below than above that in Utica.
no they dont wrote:
<quoted text>thats because 3/4 of utica chooses not to work
hhb

United States

#10 Mar 11, 2008
One of the main reasons that the median income is lower in Utica in comparision to other areas is because of the business and industry that has moved out of the area and taken the jobs with them. Most of the available jobs that are left are retail, customer service...jobs that are on the lower end of the spectrum pay wise. That being said, when a police officer or firefighter makes more than others, they are not the only ones. They simply are employed in professions that have kept their salaries in tact with the cost of living. The difference between public servants and other occupations that make above average salaries is that they are paid through city taxes, so residents feel as though they are able to speak their mind. I will tell you this...police officers and firefighers earnings are justified. They can earn their annual salaries in one night, but nobody wants to hear that. The public commonly see the parades, the media releases, the dress uniforms, the big red trucks and shiney cruisers...but the bottom line is that these jobs have a shit side to them that not many people would want to do, let alone able to do. This is why I pay my taxes and allow these public servants to continue to protect our community at the highest level possible.
TypicalUtica

Fishers, NY

#11 Mar 12, 2008
hhb wrote:
This is why I pay my taxes and allow these public servants to continue to protect our community at the highest level possible.
Four unsolved bank robberies.

Nine unsolved shootings in the past eight weeks alone.

Please tell me more about what a wonderful job they're doing. Do you think giving bonus payments for actually making arrests would perk up their performance a bit?'Cause the whole salary thing sure don't seem to be working.
hhb

United States

#12 Mar 12, 2008
Maybe you misunderstod the last portion of my post. I didn't say they are doing a "wonderful" job as you misquoted. I simply said that I feel these people should do the best job possible. We could relate this to every job that there is, even yours...although there is a difference: there are high consequences involved in public services if the jobs are not performed to the highest standards. Think of it like this: an accountant not meeting a deadline for important budget figures to be presented. His company may lose a great amount of money due to this "screw-up". Now, how about a paramedic not properly preparing himself/herself and their equipment for their shift. It may be YOUR family member that needs his/her services to be called upon, and if they are not fully prepared, there may be grave consequences. As there are "shit" parts of every job....you may have them as part of yours. But the "shit" parts of police and fire are sometimes not known to the employee until after they are hired and working their careers. They are the parts that the public does not see or care to talk about. How about someone comming up from behind and shooting you in the head. Did he really deserve that?! Or how about crawling through garbage and animal fecis, not being about to see anything, throw in hotter than hell, trying to find an occupant in their home because every on the street says they are inside, only to find out they are not. Maybe they were joking...and get off on seeing the action. I'm not quite sure you have to deal with those types of conseqences on your job. You may have it rough in some areas of your profession, but for the most part, you probably feel protected. And to top it off, I bet people don't sit around and complain about how much money you make. I hope this sheds some light on the subject.
TypicalUtica wrote:
<quoted text>
Four unsolved bank robberies.
Nine unsolved shootings in the past eight weeks alone.
Please tell me more about what a wonderful job they're doing. Do you think giving bonus payments for actually making arrests would perk up their performance a bit?'Cause the whole salary thing sure don't seem to be working.
Newface

AOL

#13 Mar 12, 2008
How about this wrote:
Personally, I do not think that anyone has the room to talk about the fire department or the police department, both of these jobs are dangerous and the men and women that go to these jobs don’t ask well how much money am I getting in overtime when they walk into a burning building or have to go to a bank robbery even what is it going to cost the tax payers to save this persons life, give me a break here the dangers these police officers and fire fighters have to face every day is something that no one should have the room to talk. Maybe you people should be worried about how much our public safety commissioner is making and so on. The firefighters and police officers make on average 40,000 to 80,000 a year for a job that one day they might not come home, so add up all those figures and see if that is worth your life.
Take a lookj at your own words. They are garbage. First, everyday, people put their lives on the line making much less than Police or fireman. Did you read about that young lady that was killed in the car accident a few days ago? Did she ever think she would never go home that night? What about people that work for minimum wage and support familes? The people that are true heros. Bus & Cab drivers that are held up at gun or knife point. Jewlery store owners who are robbed. People that work at banks, etc. These people take risks everyday of their lives. When they die do we have televised funerals? When a family member dies of cancer and suffered years, do we name streets and schools after them? Let's get real. Yes, it is sad to see an officer get shot, however, they choose that life. They get paid very well for most of the time sitting and talking to their girlfriends or mistresses. You see what happened to Spitzer? If people only new the truth about the boys in Blue. No, I have no sympathy for those who are supposed to be our servants. They are cocky people with Badges who think they are above the law.
New Face is no BS

Lake Placid, NY

#14 Mar 12, 2008
I agree with new face. The badge lickers need to get a grip....I hate people who blindly accept the rhetoric that all cops are honorable lawmen and heros just because they have a badge.

Show me a cop that dosen't knowingly break the law on a daily basis. You can't because they dont exist. Sure you can speed all you want, get pulled over, flash tin, and get away with it.....but how dare you have the audacity to cite someone else for the same thing. Sure you get drunk and drive home and crash into people on Varick st....it's cool...your a cop...your buddies will take care of it......you can beat up the crackheads, the drug dealers, the prostitutes and other indigent people...it's ok...you helped 3-4 people out of $hitty situations today...you are absolved of all your sins.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
JoeyT

Utica, NY

#15 Mar 12, 2008
Newface wrote:
Take a look at your own words. They are garbage. First, everyday, people put their lives on the line making much less than Police or fireman. Did you read about that young lady that was killed in the car accident a few days ago? Did she ever think she would never go home that night?

Did you ever have hear of an accident ie...(definftion) a unwillful event that occurrs without the will or design of either parties. You can even begin to compare the different occupations or life styles. Unless you ounce lived them.

Second those people that you mention don't go out side or live their daily life knowing that they must die for complete stranger. They don't live their lifes knowing that they would have to someday make their children orphans or wife's widows just to help a no good SOB like you. Those people are not forced to carry weapons to defend themselves or others. You really think Police Officer chose their occupation so they can die a hero. I think not.

No matter how many prison terms, arrest or tikets you may have gotten those public servants deserve respect unless other wise not deserving of it. I will pray for you, because GOD is the only person that can help you.
Remember

Utica, NY

#16 Mar 12, 2008
New Face is no BS wrote:
I agree with new face. The badge lickers need to get a grip....I hate people who blindly accept the rhetoric that all cops are honorable lawmen and heros just because they have a badge.
Show me a cop that dosen't knowingly break the law on a daily basis. You can't because they dont exist. Sure you can speed all you want, get pulled over, flash tin, and get away with it.....but how dare you have the audacity to cite someone else for the same thing. Sure you get drunk and drive home and crash into people on Varick st....it's cool...your a cop...your buddies will take care of it......you can beat up the crackheads, the drug dealers, the prostitutes and other indigent people...it's ok...you helped 3-4 people out of $hitty situations today...you are absolved of all your sins.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
I strongly disagree with you and that coward, NO Face.

All families have the outcast. The child that gets into trouble, lies, steals and takes it to the limit. Should you judge the other family members for his wrong doings, I say no. There are bad in all, that doesn't make them all bad. Judge the person for himself, not for who he is.

PS: You appear a little upset about that last ticket. What, no reductions this time.
TypicalUtica

Fishers, NY

#17 Mar 12, 2008
hhb wrote:
I didn't say they are doing a "wonderful" job as you misquoted. I simply said that I feel these people should do the best job possible. <quoted text>
I think that by any objective measure many of them aren't doing much of a job at all, much less the best one possible. I know that many, if not most, police officers are good people doing a tough job. That said, how do we explain the simply amazing number of unsolved crimes in Utica? Is it a lack of resources? A failing of investigative technique? An inability to gather intelligence? Are the police simply overwhelmed by the level of crime in the city?
Remember

Utica, NY

#18 Mar 12, 2008
TypicalUtica wrote:
<quoted text>
I think that by any objective measure many of them aren't doing much of a job at all, much less the best one possible. I know that many, if not most, police officers are good people doing a tough job. That said, how do we explain the simply amazing number of unsolved crimes in Utica? Is it a lack of resources? A failing of investigative technique? An inability to gather intelligence? Are the police simply overwhelmed by the level of crime in the city?
The crimes unsolved and mostly and partly do to the lack of involvment from the witnesses and victim's. They won't allow us to bring the offender to justice. We all need to be reminded from time to time that we live in New York State, the 4th liberail state in the country. Our prison, reform and legal systems are falling apart before our eyes. The law makers won't create new laws assisting the police on making the victims and witnesses to come forward. The unsolved crimes in Utica are a disgrace, but we can't blame the police for all of them.
Pearl

AOL

#19 Mar 12, 2008
The shootings are unsolved because the people involved refuse to talk, as usual.They won't talk because they are very much part of the same criminal element that got them shot in the first place.
TypicalUtica wrote:
<quoted text>
Four unsolved bank robberies.
Nine unsolved shootings in the past eight weeks alone.
Please tell me more about what a wonderful job they're doing. Do you think giving bonus payments for actually making arrests would perk up their performance a bit?'Cause the whole salary thing sure don't seem to be working.
JoeyT

Utica, NY

#20 Mar 12, 2008
TypicalUtica wrote:
<quoted text>
Four unsolved bank robberies.
Nine unsolved shootings in the past eight weeks alone.
Please tell me more about what a wonderful job they're doing. Do you think giving bonus payments for actually making arrests would perk up their performance a bit?'Cause the whole salary thing sure don't seem to be working.
TypicalUtica
I am a big fan and respect most of your opinions. This one I much disagree.

You speak of the bank robberies and unsolved shootings. You directly point your finger as if it is the fault of the Police. How do you make these decisons, on arrest only. Do you think that the police are not investigating these crimes? Have your ever, before making these statements take into consideration the roadblocks that the police have. Such as uncooperating victims or witnesses, laws that protect the criminals or the people involved. There are other agencies involed to assist the police in their duties such as FBI, DEA, District Attorney's Office, Parole, State Police, OC Sheriff's Dept. All avenues are being used. I am not telling that the finger pointing should not rest only with the police but if the area police along with the other agences can't make the arrest shouldn't that tell you something?

This public safety issue was rode like a horse by Roefaro to win the election. Now after the election the problem stills occurrs. With Roefaro now in office and knowing of the crime what has he done?
TypicalUtica

Fishers, NY

#21 Mar 13, 2008
JoeyT wrote:
<quoted text>
You speak of the bank robberies and unsolved shootings. You directly point your finger as if it is the fault of the Police. How do you make these decisons, on arrest only. Do you think that the police are not investigating these crimes?
Oh, I'm sure they are, but they just don't seem to be producing any results.
Look, I know the police want to catch bad guys. I know they aren't a bunch of idiotic screwballs, and I don't think they're a bunch of lazy unionistas. That said, the sheer number of unsolved crimes surely has to be triggering some kind of alarms. I'm not a cop so I can't even begin to speculate what the problem is, but I think even the most strident supporters of the police have to admit that there *is* a problem.

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