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One Simple Fact

Oswego, NY

#43 Nov 12, 2012
Hurricanes wrote:
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Interesting. Now that the Hurricanes are out because they welcomed kids to play for them that came from other teams, ENYTB has changed the rules so kids can switch. They must have changed their tune since this all went down. Now the "NEW" CNY Stars will be able to pull kids from other teams. Conclusion...the rules that got the Hurricanes removed from the league are no longer in place so the CNY Stars can get players from other teams. Pretty convenient don't you think? P I S S on this ENYTB league? I say this area gets their own thing started. Stop sending money out of the area and putting Naturals, Pioneers, Hurricanes etc. against each other. Put together a friendly league where they all play each other and keep the money here. I guess that is what Bob Cook is tying to do. We should hope it works out now that we can see what the ENYTB league is really all about.
It is hard for parents and others to comprehend. You have two different schools of thought. The first is a for profit program and the second is a not for profit program. Baseball is the similarity but the objective is for the profit program to earn a profit and vice versa with non profit which puts every dollar back into the kids thus zero profit. So you are getting the same number of practices, games, close in apparell. So if all programs have 60 kids and we will say that the Hurricanes, Pioneers and Naturals do then we can do a quick comparison on the price per child. Hurricanes in prior year were 1100 round about and other two were around 500 round about. So the difference is 600 per player. So 60 players multiplied by 600 is $36,000. The not for profits could fly their kids to games for that amount of money. I am not saying that what the for profit programs are doing is wrong, all I am saying the money is the driving factor not the players interest. That is your answer for all of your questions, money is the route of all evil.
One wrong simple fact

Utica, NY

#44 Nov 12, 2012
One Simple Fact wrote:
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It is hard for parents and others to comprehend. You have two different schools of thought. The first is a for profit program and the second is a not for profit program. Baseball is the similarity but the objective is for the profit program to earn a profit and vice versa with non profit which puts every dollar back into the kids thus zero profit. So you are getting the same number of practices, games, close in apparell. So if all programs have 60 kids and we will say that the Hurricanes, Pioneers and Naturals do then we can do a quick comparison on the price per child. Hurricanes in prior year were 1100 round about and other two were around 500 round about. So the difference is 600 per player. So 60 players multiplied by 600 is $36,000. The not for profits could fly their kids to games for that amount of money. I am not saying that what the for profit programs are doing is wrong, all I am saying the money is the driving factor not the players interest. That is your answer for all of your questions, money is the route of all evil.
Thanks for proving my point. You give A fine reason why the kids and parents should be able to move to where they wish? It should be up to the parents and kids to decide if a for profit program is worth it vs a non for profit. Not for the ENTYB to decide. Still the Hurricanes we removed from the league for letting kids from other teams(your $500 team) come to them(their $1100 team). Must be some additional value there hey. Don't knock the costs till you know the real costs. With very little efforts a player can, through fund raisers, get enough to cover their entire cost. Do the non for profits have fund raisers that go direct to the account of the player to help with the cost? Also Hurricanes throw in free camps and lesson discounts. Which, if added to the other programs, brings the costs right in line. Please don't speak of what you know nothing about. It's not really hard for parents and others to comprehend. Just for you.
bull

Whitesboro, NY

#45 Nov 12, 2012
fundraisers, bull, dont cover $hit.
if your with the hurricanes, it is frustrating and humiliating to the kids when they get their ass kicked by a team like the naturals. Turns them away from baseball.
One Simple Fact

Oswego, NY

#46 Nov 12, 2012
One wrong simple fact wrote:
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Thanks for proving my point. You give A fine reason why the kids and parents should be able to move to where they wish? It should be up to the parents and kids to decide if a for profit program is worth it vs a non for profit. Not for the ENTYB to decide. Still the Hurricanes we removed from the league for letting kids from other teams(your $500 team) come to them(their $1100 team). Must be some additional value there hey. Don't knock the costs till you know the real costs. With very little efforts a player can, through fund raisers, get enough to cover their entire cost. Do the non for profits have fund raisers that go direct to the account of the player to help with the cost? Also Hurricanes throw in free camps and lesson discounts. Which, if added to the other programs, brings the costs right in line. Please don't speak of what you know nothing about. It's not really hard for parents and others to comprehend. Just for you.
The rules are the rules, I agree that a child should be able to play anywhere they want to but you cant make your own rules up nor decide you are not going to go by the rules and not expect to get penalized for it, bar none. That is not a good way to be a positive role model program for the kids to teach them that they can do whatever they want to. You cant even do that in Little League without repercussions. The ENYTB rules are very specific and state exactly the restrictions on players and what the word tampering means. You have to follow the rules and they were set in place many years ago and you should know them before you decide to join. The not for profit programs do have several fund raisers and that helps in the cost of all of the apparrel that they receive and extra money will go towards some tournaments the kids want to get into. I actually do know a lot about the costs or I would not say anything about them. There have been many parents who are disappointed with the inability to deliver what was told to them, I do not know everything about the program nor the ins and outs just feedback from parents who are involved in the program and one specifically who recently quit. I honestly really dont care what one program has to offer vs. the other. I simply stated that the fact is that you have to play by the rules which are self explanatory and what the difference is between a money driven program vs. a non profit driven program. I am not arguing with you just stating my opinion.
Hurricanes

Utica, NY

#47 Nov 12, 2012
One Simple Fact wrote:
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The rules are the rules, I agree that a child should be able to play anywhere they want to but you cant make your own rules up nor decide you are not going to go by the rules and not expect to get penalized for it, bar none. That is not a good way to be a positive role model program for the kids to teach them that they can do whatever they want to. You cant even do that in Little League without repercussions. The ENYTB rules are very specific and state exactly the restrictions on players and what the word tampering means. You have to follow the rules and they were set in place many years ago and you should know them before you decide to join. The not for profit programs do have several fund raisers and that helps in the cost of all of the apparrel that they receive and extra money will go towards some tournaments the kids want to get into. I actually do know a lot about the costs or I would not say anything about them. There have been many parents who are disappointed with the inability to deliver what was told to them, I do not know everything about the program nor the ins and outs just feedback from parents who are involved in the program and one specifically who recently quit. I honestly really dont care what one program has to offer vs. the other. I simply stated that the fact is that you have to play by the rules which are self explanatory and what the difference is between a money driven program vs. a non profit driven program. I am not arguing with you just stating my opinion.
I do agree that rules should be followed as well. But the rule was and is wrong and they have realized that by removing it. Even it it may only be temporary. I bet most parents don't even know it was buried in the wording on the ENYTB site. But they do now. I would not want my kid playing in a league that restricts what team he plays on that's for sure. Hurricanes should have told the parents that up front. That they did not do so. It's good to hear Naturals do have fund raisers. They are a great organization as well. As most are. Obviously opinions are varied on this subject. It's an individual decision and there is no wrong decision. It's up to the kids and parents to determine value. Not people on this site to try to force it on them. PLAY BALL.
Hurricanes

Utica, NY

#48 Nov 12, 2012
bull wrote:
fundraisers, bull, dont cover $hit.
if your with the hurricanes, it is frustrating and humiliating to the kids when they get their ass kicked by a team like the naturals. Turns them away from baseball.
AND you my friend are just a J A C K A S S.
Zzap

Utica, NY

#49 Nov 12, 2012
None of these kids are growing or going anywhere based upon the wack parents obsession. Nobody ever made a bazilion coming from cny talk about filling your kids heads with worthless values or pipedreams. Argue nicely now children!
bull

Whitesboro, NY

#50 Nov 12, 2012
yes I am, but am getting waay better baseball for alot less.
Missing the point

Brooklyn, NY

#51 Nov 12, 2012
It appears the point has been missed here. Why is nobody crying foul that a member of Ed Frye's precious board of directors was allowed to start a new club and it was immediately given franchise status so it was one of two clubs in the area who could take kids from anywhere?

Did the league...did Ed...let all interested parties in this area know he was going to insist on two franchises in this area and let all existing clubs or anyone thinking of starting a new club present their case for having a franchise? If so I am unaware it happened. It appears he said screw most existing teams that have played in his league so he can give his board member friend a franchise.

The other clubs should insist on an immediate board meeting to review the decision.
League of their own

Herkimer, NY

#52 Nov 12, 2012
Missing the point wrote:
It appears the point has been missed here. Why is nobody crying foul that a member of Ed Frye's precious board of directors was allowed to start a new club and it was immediately given franchise status so it was one of two clubs in the area who could take kids from anywhere?
Did the league...did Ed...let all interested parties in this area know he was going to insist on two franchises in this area and let all existing clubs or anyone thinking of starting a new club present their case for having a franchise? If so I am unaware it happened. It appears he said screw most existing teams that have played in his league so he can give his board member friend a franchise.
The other clubs should insist on an immediate board meeting to review the decision.
The other programs are invited back. Its up to them to choose that option. There is a new rule stating that if you want to start a new program then you have to go through the Pioneers or the Heat. If you have an existing program that has played in ENYTB then you are invited back. If you choose against this option then good luck scheduling games when you have no league to play in. I suggest going forward for your programs that you make a decision to play in a league or your program wont have a league to play in. There is not going to be any immediate meeting. Albany is strong and always has been, you would be doing them a service to not join ENYTB instead of them dealing with the crap.

Rules state tampering and restricted players so if your program plays outside of the rules then they are not allowed back. Since most teams around here will not join the Albany league, you have the right to take any player you want to. Lets see how many are willing to leave their programs to play in a nonexistent league. Many will make a mistake by leaving ENYTB league to join a league where there is nobody to play. My program is in despite those who hear otherwise. Pioneers, Naturals and Heat are strong and play by the rules. The other program outed was not playing by the rules so good luck in getting your players game time within a league that is very good. This is all starting to break down and make sense. Your character and choice was sold to nonexistence, go straight the the root of the problem and stop bashing other programs. Pioneers 18 years plus and strong, thank you for not playing by the rules and allowing us to have rights over your mistakes. What are you promised now? Nothing but broken promises, good luck!
League of their own

Herkimer, NY

#53 Nov 12, 2012
Missing the point wrote:
It appears the point has been missed here. Why is nobody crying foul that a member of Ed Frye's precious board of directors was allowed to start a new club and it was immediately given franchise status so it was one of two clubs in the area who could take kids from anywhere?
Did the league...did Ed...let all interested parties in this area know he was going to insist on two franchises in this area and let all existing clubs or anyone thinking of starting a new club present their case for having a franchise? If so I am unaware it happened. It appears he said screw most existing teams that have played in his league so he can give his board member friend a franchise.
The other clubs should insist on an immediate board meeting to review the decision.
My program has left the FOD facility to other options and are backed by a local College, we will practice there and will show this area that the buck stops here. Play by the rules as many have said in other posts. I feel bad for programs that are lied to and to have their kids join for the fun of it, its travel ball, competitive baseball, so you are in or out. My son is going to Cooperstown and he wont be a D1 ball player but he is not lied to and our family will have an experience of a lifetime while you continue to bash other programs and live in your program with the lack of delivering what what promised to you, we know where our program is heading, away from this area.
ENYTB Superclubs

United States

#54 Nov 13, 2012
League of their own wrote:
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The other programs are invited back. Its up to them to choose that option. There is a new rule stating that if you want to start a new program then you have to go through the Pioneers or the Heat. If you have an existing program that has played in ENYTB then you are invited back. If you choose against this option then good luck scheduling games when you have no league to play in. I suggest going forward for your programs that you make a decision to play in a league or your program wont have a league to play in. There is not going to be any immediate meeting. Albany is strong and always has been, you would be doing them a service to not join ENYTB instead of them dealing with the crap.
Rules state tampering and restricted players so if your program plays outside of the rules then they are not allowed back. Since most teams around here will not join the Albany league, you have the right to take any player you want to. Lets see how many are willing to leave their programs to play in a nonexistent league. Many will make a mistake by leaving ENYTB league to join a league where there is nobody to play. My program is in despite those who hear otherwise. Pioneers, Naturals and Heat are strong and play by the rules. The other program outed was not playing by the rules so good luck in getting your players game time within a league that is very good. This is all starting to break down and make sense. Your character and choice was sold to nonexistence, go straight the the root of the problem and stop bashing other programs. Pioneers 18 years plus and strong, thank you for not playing by the rules and allowing us to have rights over your mistakes. What are you promised now? Nothing but broken promises, good luck!
I do not believe you are correct here. Other clubs are not invited back either. Hurricanes were initially but declined. Not sure on Naturals and others but I believe they are being phased out as well. There are only two "superclubs" in the ENYTB league from this area. Heat and Pioneers. I do believe a team can go through one of those clubs to be in it. Talk to ENYTB on the specifics on how that works.
grow up

Manlius, NY

#55 Nov 13, 2012
One Simple Fact wrote:
<quoted text>
The rules are the rules, I agree that a child should be able to play anywhere they want to but you cant make your own rules up nor decide you are not going to go by the rules and not expect to get penalized for it, bar none. That is not a good way to be a positive role model program for the kids to teach them that they can do whatever they want to. You cant even do that in Little League without repercussions. The ENYTB rules are very specific and state exactly the restrictions on players and what the word tampering means. You have to follow the rules and they were set in place many years ago and you should know them before you decide to join. The not for profit programs do have several fund raisers and that helps in the cost of all of the apparrel that they receive and extra money will go towards some tournaments the kids want to get into. I actually do know a lot about the costs or I would not say anything about them. There have been many parents who are disappointed with the inability to deliver what was told to them, I do not know everything about the program nor the ins and outs just feedback from parents who are involved in the program and one specifically who recently quit. I honestly really dont care what one program has to offer vs. the other. I simply stated that the fact is that you have to play by the rules which are self explanatory and what the difference is between a money driven program vs. a non profit driven program. I am not arguing with you just stating my opinion.
seems as though YOUR PANTIES are in a bunch...your very hostile towards the hurricanes program..baseball is baseball regardless of what organization a child plays for..FOD has lots of opportunities for a child to develop into if that child has the want to succeed.The hurricane program and FOD has certified coaches with lots of personal experiences not just a parent who coaches their childs team who are not even certified coaches...mmm makes sense..just an opinion..
law should be

Whitesboro, NY

#56 Nov 13, 2012
grow up wrote:
<quoted text>
seems as though YOUR PANTIES are in a bunch...your very hostile towards the hurricanes program..baseball is baseball regardless of what organization a child plays for..FOD has lots of opportunities for a child to develop into if that child has the want to succeed.The hurricane program and FOD has certified coaches with lots of personal experiences not just a parent who coaches their childs team who are not even certified coaches...mmm makes sense..just an opinion..
lol, look at the outcome of the certified coaches and the parents with the son playing. ever see them play each other? Is your wife around?
funny stment

Manlius, NY

#57 Nov 13, 2012
law should be wrote:
<quoted text>
lol, look at the outcome of the certified coaches and the parents with the son playing. ever see them play each other? Is your wife around?
look at the outcome..mmmm........all I see are kids playing baseball and enjoying what they do...certified coaches vs dads coaching..i'd go with certified coaches..my preference..my opinion...whats his wife have to do with coaching..mmm...certified coaches have experience to back up what they say and do...
ha ha

Manlius, NY

#58 Nov 13, 2012
is she HOT..i'd give her some 1 on 1 coaching
yes

Whitesboro, NY

#59 Nov 13, 2012
funny stment wrote:
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look at the outcome..mmmm........all I see are kids playing baseball and enjoying what they do...certified coaches vs dads coaching..i'd go with certified coaches..my preference..my opinion...whats his wife have to do with coaching..mmm...certified coaches have experience to back up what they say and do...
They did play each other. One team got alot better and the other stayed idle or looked worse.
wondering

Manlius, NY

#60 Nov 13, 2012
yes wrote:
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They did play each other. One team got alot better and the other stayed idle or looked worse.
so who played better
certified coaches

Utica, NY

#61 Nov 13, 2012
So all of you unfamiliar with the idea, a certified coach paid his fee and attended a class. That hardly guarantees the person is now more equipped to coach than a dad. We have all seen many umpires to attend classes, get to be certified umpires and really are not very good. Being certified means you paid to put a piece of paper on your wall..little more...

that is not to say that some of the certified coaches are not good because some are very good.

just that being certified has little meaning
funny man

Manlius, NY

#62 Nov 13, 2012
law should be wrote:
<quoted text>
lol, look at the outcome of the certified coaches and the parents with the son playing. ever see them play each other? Is your wife around?
i should b asking you do you know where yours is...and yes she's HOT..and all mine

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