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Byron

Utica, NY

#1 Sep 11, 2011
When is NY state going to step in and stop this recruiting madness????? It is just not fair to anyone to be able to recruit athletes and scholarship them...... Its getting ridiculous now!
Explain

Cortland, NY

#2 Sep 11, 2011
Byron.. Very curious to hear more about this. What ages and sports are you aware they are recruiting for?
ufa knows

Cortland, NY

#3 Sep 12, 2011
Been recruiting forever...pretty soon they will have for minorities than whites. Starting to look like cornhill up there these days....but there teams, basketball, stinks.
Larry Byrd

Baldwinsville, NY

#4 Sep 12, 2011
ufa knows wrote:
Been recruiting forever...pretty soon they will have for minorities than whites. Starting to look like cornhill up there these days....but there teams, basketball, stinks.
Hey, goofball. It is a PRIVATE school. Anyone can attend. If someone feels they want to pay for a kid's tuition it is not illegal, or against any NYS PHS ruling. Get over it. ND has students from every suburb and town in CNY. It has always been that way, and will continue no matter how much you whine over it.
Enjoy the upcoming football and basketball seasons.
How Much

Utica, NY

#6 Sep 12, 2011
Out of curiosity, what does it cost now to go to UND? How much in scholarships are they handing out to try to get athletes to attend there? Can a good player get almost all of it paid for now?
Jo Jo White

Utica, NY

#7 Sep 12, 2011
It is Illegal what UND is doing in regards to recruiting and paying for student athletes to attend, whomever is paying....
I know for a fact that Byron calls and goes to prospective student athletes homes to meet with them and their parents.

This is verbatim from the NYSPHSAA Handbook:
24. RECRUITMENT AND UNDUE INFLUENCE: Recruiting and Undue Influence
is defined as the use of influence by any person connected directly or indirectly with a
NYSPHSAA school to induce a student to transfer from one school to another, or to
enter the ninth grade at a member school for athletic purposes - whether or not the
school presently attended by the student is a member of the NYSPHSAA.
a. The use of undue influence to secure a student for competitive purposes in a
sport is prohibited. An infraction shall cause the student to forfeit eligibility in that
sport for one year from the date of enrollment. The offending school shall be subject
to provisions of Bylaw 19 (D).
b. Evidence of undue influence includes, but is not limited to, personal contact by
coaches and sponsors in an attempt to persuade transfer, gifts of money, jobs, supplies,
clothing, free transportation, admission to contests, invitation to attend practices
and/or games, or free and/or reduced tuition
Parent

AOL

#8 Sep 13, 2011
School is closing in 2012.
ND Grad

Cortland, NY

#9 Sep 13, 2011
How Much wrote:
Out of curiosity, what does it cost now to go to UND? How much in scholarships are they handing out to try to get athletes to attend there? Can a good player get almost all of it paid for now?
It cost almost $6000 and yes they pay for all athletes in full just to keep the school going. You think inner city can afford 6g's?
ND Grad

Cortland, NY

#10 Sep 13, 2011
Jo Jo White wrote:
It is Illegal what UND is doing in regards to recruiting and paying for student athletes to attend, whomever is paying....
I know for a fact that Byron calls and goes to prospective student athletes homes to meet with them and their parents.
This is verbatim from the NYSPHSAA Handbook:
24. RECRUITMENT AND UNDUE INFLUENCE: Recruiting and Undue Influence
is defined as the use of influence by any person connected directly or indirectly with a
NYSPHSAA school to induce a student to transfer from one school to another, or to
enter the ninth grade at a member school for athletic purposes - whether or not the
school presently attended by the student is a member of the NYSPHSAA.
a. The use of undue influence to secure a student for competitive purposes in a
sport is prohibited. An infraction shall cause the student to forfeit eligibility in that
sport for one year from the date of enrollment. The offending school shall be subject
to provisions of Bylaw 19 (D).
b. Evidence of undue influence includes, but is not limited to, personal contact by
coaches and sponsors in an attempt to persuade transfer, gifts of money, jobs, supplies,
clothing, free transportation, admission to contests, invitation to attend practices
and/or games, or free and/or reduced tuition
110% true....Durr does it all the time....He came to my kids house too many years ago to play for him.
Larry Byrd

Baldwinsville, NY

#11 Sep 13, 2011
Jo Jo White wrote:
It is Illegal what UND is doing in regards to recruiting and paying for student athletes to attend, whomever is paying....
I know for a fact that Byron calls and goes to prospective student athletes homes to meet with them and their parents.
This is verbatim from the NYSPHSAA Handbook:
24. RECRUITMENT AND UNDUE INFLUENCE: Recruiting and Undue Influence
is defined as the use of influence by any person connected directly or indirectly with a
NYSPHSAA school to induce a student to transfer from one school to another, or to
enter the ninth grade at a member school for athletic purposes - whether or not the
school presently attended by the student is a member of the NYSPHSAA.
a. The use of undue influence to secure a student for competitive purposes in a
sport is prohibited. An infraction shall cause the student to forfeit eligibility in that
sport for one year from the date of enrollment. The offending school shall be subject
to provisions of Bylaw 19 (D).
b. Evidence of undue influence includes, but is not limited to, personal contact by
coaches and sponsors in an attempt to persuade transfer, gifts of money, jobs, supplies,
clothing, free transportation, admission to contests, invitation to attend practices
and/or games, or free and/or reduced tuition
I commend your command of the law. However, YOU cannot determine the intent of a student in deciding to attend ND or any other private school. The mere assumption that the student is attending for purpose of sport is not enough to prevent that student his/her right to choose. Thank you for your attention, and have a nice day.
Coach

Rome, NY

#13 Sep 13, 2011
Who even really cares what ND does. I'm not against ND by any means. The public schools in this area are much better in just about all aspects. If someone chooses to pay 6 grand on top of the already high school taxes in this area then God Bless them. As far as sports are concerned, they can't get much lower than what they have at ND. The facilities are outdated and not functionable. They keep dropping in class and just have enough players to get buy. The most a kid has to look forward to is a Division 3 college where they don't give money to play sports. Someone playing for a public school such as Proctor, New Hartford or Whitesboro has a much better chance of a college taking interest and the sports programs at these schools are way superior to that of ND.
NDToo

Boston, MA

#14 Sep 13, 2011
All anyone needs is proof. If this many people know of violations and can prove what they say then it is their responsibility to report the violation and turn over the evidence to the appropriate authority. If this has been going on for a long time then there should be no problem finding plenty of what is required.
Otherwise, shut up.
For the "Coach" who says "the public schools in this area are much better in just about all aspects", How about we compare graduation rates and test scores. After all, that is what children go to school for.
ND Grad

Cortland, NY

#15 Sep 13, 2011
Test scores?...you teach crap...your teachers can't even qualify to teach in public schools. NH the highest rated school in this area for education, fact, and in the top 91% in the country. ND is still living in the 80's, look at that lousy football stadium, dam that can't even use it. They are broke and will be shut down very soon.
South Utican

Raleigh, NC

#16 Sep 13, 2011
ND Grad wrote:
Test scores?...you teach crap...your teachers can't even qualify to teach in public schools. NH the highest rated school in this area for education, fact, and in the top 91% in the country. ND is still living in the 80's, look at that lousy football stadium, dam that can't even use it. They are broke and will be shut down very soon.
If the teachers just teach crap there , how do so many kids get into good colleges. I was at graduation 2010, just what I can remember, Air Force academy, Lafayette, purdue , syracuse, Boston U, RIT , Colgate, Hamilton, U Conn, Providence,Albany pharmacy ,Rutgers, and thats what I remember. They must have learned something at ND
nds06

Cortland, NY

#17 Sep 13, 2011
Money talks my friend.
Larry Byrd

Baldwinsville, NY

#19 Sep 13, 2011
unimpressed wrote:
Hamilton might require an A average and have some academic standards, of course, if you have a particular sports skill or are connected to big bucks in some way they will be happy to lower those standards to fit your needs. The other colleges require a B+ average--not anything really striking on that list of colleges--no real Ivy League that is hard as heck to get into.
Any educated person, or, someone connected with admission in accredited colleges and universities, will gladly tell you the difference between an ND grad and one from another local school. So, if you truly want to know the difference, contact one of those officials at a college. If, however, you would rather continue in your current vein of hate, anger, biased unknowing, go right ahead. Look how far that trend has gotten you in life to this point. LOL
South Utican

Raleigh, NC

#20 Sep 13, 2011
unimpressed wrote:
Hamilton might require an A average and have some academic standards, of course, if you have a particular sports skill or are connected to big bucks in some way they will be happy to lower those standards to fit your needs. The other colleges require a B+ average--not anything really striking on that list of colleges--no real Ivy League that is hard as heck to get into.
Give me a break I did forget Fordham, All I am pointing out,is that they get into the same colleges all the other kids NH included. so do not say they are not getting a good education. So Colgate , Rit, Pharmacy school and some of the rest you can get into very easilY ? So "Money Talks" there is no money talking with New Hartford kids?
NDToo

Boston, MA

#21 Sep 13, 2011
ND Grad wrote:
Test scores?...you teach crap...your teachers can't even qualify to teach in public schools. NH the highest rated school in this area for education, fact, and in the top 91% in the country. ND is still living in the 80's, look at that lousy football stadium, dam that can't even use it. They are broke and will be shut down very soon.
New Hartford is a great school. I think a lot of parents would like to send their children there too.

The standard tests are the same standard tests given to all students in New York state and are therefore a very fair indicator when it comes to assessing how successful any school is in performing their core mission. That mission is education.

ND desn't receive taxpayer money for fancy stadiums and many of the other of the peripheral items. That includes the taxes paid by paople who send their children to ND.
hmmm

Syracuse, NY

#22 Sep 13, 2011
ND Grad wrote:
<quoted text>It cost almost $6000 and yes they pay for all athletes in full just to keep the school going. You think inner city can afford 6g's?
Weird, I didn't know SCHOOL was kept going for sports.......and if athletes get their tuition paid for by the school, how exactly does that keep the school going? A basketball team has about 10 players, that's 60,000+ they could be making off of a team...not to mention the other sports. Oh, and inner city? What inner city? This is Utica...not NYC. Kids from all over CNY can go to ND of they want to pay for it...
hmmm

Syracuse, NY

#23 Sep 13, 2011
You people all tend to forget that New Hartford and Proctor aren't the only "local public schools"...due the fact that people from CNY can send their children to ND to get an education, you should compare them to ALL schools areas that ARE able to attend. Oh and those are schools that don't have parents money flashing all around =)

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