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Say no to FRACKING

Rome, NY

#1 Mar 20, 2014
Hanna investments in shale-drilling firms questioned

"As of his 2008 House financial disclosure filing, Republican congressional challenger Richard Hanna had investments valued at $750,000 to $1.5 million in two companies that could play a major role if plans to drill for natural gas in the Marcellus Shale region south of Utica move forward"

Read more: http://www.uticaod.com/article/20100728/News/...
Jonj

Utica, NY

#2 Mar 20, 2014
Who cares?

Richard Hanna has no authority to apporve fracking in NY. That lies with our Governor and he won't approve it because he'll lose campaign donations from Yoko Ono and a bunch of Upper West Side socialites who don't give a flying you-know-what about the Upstate NY economy.
Overweight Cop Riggies

Clifton Park, NY

#3 Mar 20, 2014
Anyone with a brain in upstate New York better be pushing for this and ignore the OPs ignorant statements. This is actually an opportunity...not some made up pie in the sky super duper mega chip plant that will never happen.
Fair Representation

Albany, NY

#4 Mar 20, 2014
OK let's allow a private Corporation to leave 100's of millions of gallons of fluid (contents of which are a secret) in the ground because these companies and CEO's (who have bonus's so big they will never be effected by the potential poisons they left behind) say it's safe. Trust us.

And we should believe them why? Let's see who have I trusted lately?

L. Armstrong, R. Clemons, B. Bonds, M. McGuire (steroids)
Obama - I can keep my health plan
Obama - I can keep my doctor
George Bush, Colin Powell - Iraq has WMD's
General Motors - we didn't know the ignition switches were a problem
John Kerry - I opposed the invasion of Iraq
Bill Clinton - I never had sexual relations with that woman
Bernie Madoff - it's a good investment, your money is safe
Richard Nixon - need I say anything here
John Edwards - I have not been unfaithful

Sorry but my trust has been exhausted. It's important that people stop lying because when important decisions need to be made we need to be confident that we are being told honest information vs. information guided by the profits that are generated by lies.

So what are you leaving in the ground? "Uh yeah I can't tell you that, I can only tell you it's safe"

OK then, don't leave it in the ground.
Say no to FRACKING

Rome, NY

#5 Mar 20, 2014
Overweight Cop Riggies wrote:
Anyone with a brain in upstate New York better be pushing for this and ignore the OPs ignorant statements. This is actually an opportunity...not some made up pie in the sky super duper mega chip plant that will never happen.
Something to take into consideration is the fact that oil, and gas companies are the second leading revenue contributors to the federal gov't. 2nd only to the I.R.S. If you like a beautiful view, if you like clean water for you, I , our children, and grand children, and if you like access to the great outdoors. You won't like fracking. Corporations are obligated to produce profits for their share holders! In other words they need more product to sell oversees. We will never see a dime of that money, and our quality of life will be diminished. The only winners are the investors (congressman Richard Hanna), The companies, and the Federal gov't. WE LOSE!!
Jerry

Utica, NY

#6 Mar 21, 2014
All of you hypocrites who oppose fracking: Pease use solar panels to heat your home and steam to run your car engines. Thank you and good day.
Anonymous

Holland Patent, NY

#7 Mar 21, 2014
Frack, Frack and Frack until you can't Frack no more.
Understand

Utica, NY

#8 Mar 21, 2014
Say no to FRACKING wrote:
Hanna investments in shale-drilling firms questioned
"As of his 2008 House financial disclosure filing, Republican congressional challenger Richard Hanna had investments valued at $750,000 to $1.5 million in two companies that could play a major role if plans to drill for natural gas in the Marcellus Shale region south of Utica move forward"
Read more: http://www.uticaod.com/article/20100728/News/...
A short time as a resident of NY State should be long enough to know that ANY promise of new tax money available to the governor, or legislature, is a foregone conclusion. It is only
a matter of timing now.
Best guess: immediately following this year's elections.
Just say no

Utica, NY

#9 Mar 21, 2014
Fracking is not safe and everyone who has done a reasonable amout of research understands this. You cannot pump millions of gallons of water and toxic fluids into the Earth and think it won't create an impact somewhere, usually in the fresh water supply. Basically, our planet is a closed system. Everything is connected.

The promises from the lips of politicians that includes jobs is an illusion. What government and big energy want is revenue and profits, regardless of the damage done to citizens or the environment. How many times has this been demonstrated? From toxic waste dumps such as Love Canal, NY to the BP mess in the Gulf with the Deepwater Horizon, shortcuts, twisted science, and lies are incorporated to support creation of huge profit, regardless of consequence.
Gas Fracker

Herkimer, NY

#10 Mar 21, 2014
Just say no wrote:
Fracking is not safe and everyone who has done a reasonable amout of research understands this. You cannot pump millions of gallons of water and toxic fluids into the Earth and think it won't create an impact somewhere, usually in the fresh water supply. Basically, our planet is a closed system. Everything is connected.
The promises from the lips of politicians that includes jobs is an illusion. What government and big energy want is revenue and profits, regardless of the damage done to citizens or the environment. How many times has this been demonstrated? From toxic waste dumps such as Love Canal, NY to the BP mess in the Gulf with the Deepwater Horizon, shortcuts, twisted science, and lies are incorporated to support creation of huge profit, regardless of consequence.
Check out a company named gas frac and you will change your mind
Truth

Utica, NY

#11 Mar 21, 2014
Fair Representation wrote:
OK let's allow a private Corporation to leave 100's of millions of gallons of fluid (contents of which are a secret) in the ground because these companies and CEO's (who have bonus's so big they will never be effected by the potential poisons they left behind) say it's safe. Trust us.
And we should believe them why? Let's see who have I trusted lately?
L. Armstrong, R. Clemons, B. Bonds, M. McGuire (steroids)
Obama - I can keep my health plan
Obama - I can keep my doctor
George Bush, Colin Powell - Iraq has WMD's
General Motors - we didn't know the ignition switches were a problem
John Kerry - I opposed the invasion of Iraq
Bill Clinton - I never had sexual relations with that woman
Bernie Madoff - it's a good investment, your money is safe
Richard Nixon - need I say anything here
John Edwards - I have not been unfaithful
Sorry but my trust has been exhausted. It's important that people stop lying because when important decisions need to be made we need to be confident that we are being told honest information vs. information guided by the profits that are generated by lies.
So what are you leaving in the ground? "Uh yeah I can't tell you that, I can only tell you it's safe"
OK then, don't leave it in the ground.
The ingredients in fracking fluid are only a secret from the general public including competitors. The reason they are allowed to be that way is that they are proprietary. There is no single universal formula used in all fracking. Companies invest a lot of money in finding just the right mix for a particular project. Is it wrong of them to want to keep the fruits of their labor out of the hands of their competitors. Currently many companies are engaged in research and development of organic fracking fluids to replace the more toxic chemicals that have been used(safely to a great degree)in the past. What will the objection to fracking be once those are developed?

They are not a secret from the NYSDEC or the EPA. The ingredients are disclosed in the permitting, planning and regulatory process. Saying that the formula is secret is an often used lie told by fracking opponents.

If you want facts go to the NYSDEC website( http://www.dec.ny.gov/energy/46288.html ) and read about the process and about what the DEC is doing. Here's a sample:

"The hydraulic fracturing fluid typically contains compounds added to the water to make the hydraulic fracturing process more effective. These may include a friction reducer, a biocide to prevent the growth of bacteria that would damage the well piping or clog the fractures, a gel to carry the proppant into the fractures, and various other agents to make sure the proppant stays in the fractures and to prevent corrosion of the pipes in the well. THE DEPARTMENT IS ASSESSING THE CHEMICAL MAKEUP OF THESE ADDITIVES and will ensure that all necessary safeguards and best practices are followed.

More information, including general information about fracturing fluid additives, is available in the report Hydraulic Fracturing Considerations for Natural Gas Wells in the Marcellus Shale released in September 2008 at the Ground Water Protection Council's Annual Forum."
understand

Utica, NY

#12 Mar 21, 2014
Just say no wrote:
Fracking is not safe and everyone who has done a reasonable amout of research understands this. You cannot pump millions of gallons of water and toxic fluids into the Earth and think it won't create an impact somewhere, usually in the fresh water supply. Basically, our planet is a closed system. Everything is connected.
The promises from the lips of politicians that includes jobs is an illusion. What government and big energy want is revenue and profits, regardless of the damage done to citizens or the environment. How many times has this been demonstrated? From toxic waste dumps such as Love Canal, NY to the BP mess in the Gulf with the Deepwater Horizon, shortcuts, twisted science, and lies are incorporated to support creation of huge profit, regardless of consequence.
Safety is not an issue. The pols in this state care not about the safety of the future; they care about what is in it for them, right now. The people are powerless to stop this. Wake up.
Common Council Riggies

Clifton Park, NY

#13 Mar 21, 2014
Jerry wrote:
All of you hypocrites who oppose fracking: Pease use solar panels to heat your home and steam to run your car engines. Thank you and good day.
Ding ding ding
Truth

Utica, NY

#14 Mar 21, 2014
Just say no wrote:
Fracking is not safe and everyone who has done a reasonable amout of research understands this. You cannot pump millions of gallons of water and toxic fluids into the Earth and think it won't create an impact somewhere, usually in the fresh water supply. Basically, our planet is a closed system. Everything is connected.
The promises from the lips of politicians that includes jobs is an illusion. What government and big energy want is revenue and profits, regardless of the damage done to citizens or the environment. How many times has this been demonstrated? From toxic waste dumps such as Love Canal, NY to the BP mess in the Gulf with the Deepwater Horizon, shortcuts, twisted science, and lies are incorporated to support creation of huge profit, regardless of consequence.
On the contrary, anyone who has done a reasonable amount of research knows that hydraulic fracturing is a process that dates back to the 1940's and has been used safely and successfully at thousands of sites across the country.

I would encourage anyone interested to do their own research on the subject. Use a variety of sources. There are plenty of anti-fracking propaganda sites out there but there are a lot of sites that have factual, historical information.

My opinion based on my reasonable amount of research is that opponents have blown the possible downside way out of proportion. I believe that hydrofracking can be done safely with the appropriate amount of regulation and oversight. This is already happening in other states. Opponents complain that the gas companies have deep pockets and are somehow trying to manipulate public opinion with propaganda. My reasonable amount of research showed me that environmental extremists also have deep pockets as well as very loud voices.
Rigatoni Riggies

Clifton Park, NY

#15 Mar 21, 2014
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
On the contrary, anyone who has done a reasonable amount of research knows that hydraulic fracturing is a process that dates back to the 1940's and has been used safely and successfully at thousands of sites across the country.
I would encourage anyone interested to do their own research on the subject. Use a variety of sources. There are plenty of anti-fracking propaganda sites out there but there are a lot of sites that have factual, historical information.
My opinion based on my reasonable amount of research is that opponents have blown the possible downside way out of proportion. I believe that hydrofracking can be done safely with the appropriate amount of regulation and oversight. This is already happening in other states. Opponents complain that the gas companies have deep pockets and are somehow trying to manipulate public opinion with propaganda. My reasonable amount of research showed me that environmental extremists also have deep pockets as well as very loud voices.
Another ding ding ding.
not my backyard

Rome, NY

#16 Mar 21, 2014
Many New Yorkers are concerned about the contamination of public water supplies, or the harmful effects of air pollution, or the economic impact on tourism or impacts on New York State's vital agricultural community. Others are concerned about exposure to radioactive materials or toxic heavy metals brought up from deep underground, or that toxic wastes will damage local water treatment plants. Parents are concerned about their children's health.

Many people are concerned that the the chemicals being used in the fracking process are kept secret. Others believe the gas industry should be subject to environmental laws like everyone else (Companies engaged in hydrofracking are exempt from the Clean Air Act, the Clean Water Act and the Safe Drinking Water Act.) Still others believe that the gas industry should be responsible for cleaning up spills and toxic residues. Right now, they can walk away, leaving the landowner responsible.

Many people are concerned that taxpayers are subsidizing the gas industry by paying for the highways, police, EMTs and other community services fracking companies depend on, or that these companies are donating hundreds of millions of dollars to political campaigns to ensure access and favorable treatment. Others are concerned that the multi-million dollar TV advertising campaign claiming that dirty gas drilling is "clean energy" is confusing the public.
Truth

Utica, NY

#17 Mar 21, 2014
not my backyard wrote:
Many New Yorkers are concerned about the contamination of public water supplies, or the harmful effects of air pollution, or the economic impact on tourism or impacts on New York State's vital agricultural community. Others are concerned about exposure to radioactive materials or toxic heavy metals brought up from deep underground, or that toxic wastes will damage local water treatment plants. Parents are concerned about their children's health.
Many people are concerned that the the chemicals being used in the fracking process are kept secret. Others believe the gas industry should be subject to environmental laws like everyone else (Companies engaged in hydrofracking are exempt from the Clean Air Act, the Clean Water Act and the Safe Drinking Water Act.) Still others believe that the gas industry should be responsible for cleaning up spills and toxic residues. Right now, they can walk away, leaving the landowner responsible.
Many people are concerned that taxpayers are subsidizing the gas industry by paying for the highways, police, EMTs and other community services fracking companies depend on, or that these companies are donating hundreds of millions of dollars to political campaigns to ensure access and favorable treatment. Others are concerned that the multi-million dollar TV advertising campaign claiming that dirty gas drilling is "clean energy" is confusing the public.
Again, the ingredients are not secret and must be reported to regulatory agencies like the NYSDEC. To quote their website (gain):
"The Department is assessing the chemical makeup of these additives and will ensure that all necessary safeguards and best practices are followed."
http://www.dec.ny.gov/energy/46288.html

Many people are concerned about their children's health because of the doomsday rhetoric coming from environmental extremists. If they bothered to do their homework instead of jumping on the bandwagon they might find they shouldn't be so alarmed. Many people were alarmed that they would be drowned by a 15 foot wall of water and be crushed by a dead polar bear carcass after seeing Al Gore's "Inconvenient Truth". You can say anything as loud as you want and as many times as you want but it doesn't necessarily make it true.

Gas companies are subject to any and all environmental regulations in the areas where they do business. There is no fracking in New York right now because New York is studying whether they believe it can be done safely. That sounds like this industry is bound by existing law.

Environmentalist groups are also donating millions of dollars to political campaigns in order to further their agenda and obtain legislation favorable to that agenda.

Many people think that extreme environmentalists will go to any length to further their agenda including downright lies. One prominent example is the movie "Gasland". This pseudo-documentary made all sorts of claims about the dangers of fracking. One example was in the state of Colorado. Have a look at what the State of Colorado Oil & Gas Conservation had to say about those claims.
http://cogcc.state.co.us/library/GASLAND%20DO...

Don't pretend that it's only gas companies that are putting their message out there and lining the pockets of our elected representatives. It goes both ways.

The best thing anyone can do is look for themselves and form an educated opinion based on the facts.
not my backyard

Rome, NY

#18 Mar 21, 2014
Companies engaged in hydrofracking are exempt from the Clean Air Act, the Clean Water Act and the Safe Drinking Water Act. This is a fact. You're theory that the ingredients in fracking fluid is kept secret in order to protect intellectual property. Is some of the better pro propaganda I have heard. I would have to ask. What's in it for you?
other alternatives

Rome, NY

#19 Mar 21, 2014
suzanna wrote:
Frack, Frack and Frack until you can't Frack no more.
water the lawn, water the lawn. until the water in you're well is all gone
Truth

Utica, NY

#20 Mar 22, 2014
not my backyard wrote:
Companies engaged in hydrofracking are exempt from the Clean Air Act, the Clean Water Act and the Safe Drinking Water Act. This is a fact. You're theory that the ingredients in fracking fluid is kept secret in order to protect intellectual property. Is some of the better pro propaganda I have heard. I would have to ask. What's in it for you?
There is nothing in it for me except the benefits of our country becoming more energy independent. That makes our country safer and allows me to keep more of the money I earn because the energy I buy and use is cheaper.

What I said isn't propaganda. You didn't read anything at the websites I cited did you? Typical emotional response. Ignore the facts and just keep talking. If you were to do a little reading and understand the process and what is involved you would understand about why gas companies don't reveal the ingredients to the general public. To say that the ingredients are kept secret is just a lie. Regulatory agencies like the NYSDEC are given a full accounting of the ingredients and well as the process. Educated people within those agencies review and assess those things then make a determination based on the results. If NYSDEC were to determine that there is no way that hydrofracking can be done safely in New York State then it will not happen here. If on the other hand people educated enough to make those kinds of calls determine that with the appropriate amount of regulation and oversight (as has happened in other places) hydrofracking can be done safely, then it will happen. That is unless the loud, emotional voices on the opposition side have a political effect.

From what I've read I know that development of new techniques and the use of different materials for hydrofracking is an ongoing effort with gas companies trying to develop a competitive advantage just like any business does. It doesn't do them any good to develop an unsafe process that won't be approved by regulatory agencies. Why would they do that?It's not a one-size fits all kind of thing. The process is not static and every site is a little different requiring different treatment. That's why we have agencies like the NYSDEC with people educated in such things to create regulations and make determinations.

Hydrofracking is a process that has been used successfully and safely since the late 1940's in hundreds of places. It's going right now in many places. Those are just facts.

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