Rob Maciol-County Executive?
Robs Manhattan Project

United States

#108 Nov 19, 2013
Truth is incorrect wrote:
Those quotes are hearsay. No one in law enforcement heard Patterson make those statements. No one knows the motivations of the friend from whom these alleged statements originated. Again, you fall into the trap of replacing fact and critical thinking with emotion, just as McNamara and Maciol desire.
Again, it's you, Truth, who is missing the boat. I read that and it doesn't apply. The law provides for self defense (which is what you asked for and what I provided). Your attempt at redirection to Justification of Physical Force makes no logical sense and is off point. Patterson was not under arrest for anything. Police had no cause to arrest him. That came out in the trial as well. They had no basis to launch a gun fight. You would know this if you did the homework several contributors recommended, such as learning what was exposed during the trial.
Truth, you're just a sheep, willing to buy the easy and half baked answers offered by the ivory tower instead of rolling up your sleeves and digging to the bottom. Yawn. You bore me.
As the OCSO whitewashes the so-called "after action" report and with no hard deadline for its release, you'll fall deeper into their trap of lies.
Let's ask some questions? Truth, please answer the following:
Just what has the OCSO been doing with the report all of this time? Why more delay? Why hasn't a truly independent investigation been performed? Doesn't it appear odd that the agency being investigated (the OCSO) has the ability to redact statements in an investigation?
Just look at what Swenszkowski said in the Utica OD article published today,“We want to set a time for review involving some of the people that were part of the incident to check the factual aspects for any discrepancies and to make sure everything is accurate, and to check for any content that might compromise officer safety that needs to be redacted”.
A REAL after action report would have collected and examined all available evidence and testimony. There is no need for further review. What Swenszkowski means is they want to doctor the findings to completely cover their butts before the report is released.
Why is this so difficult for you to comprehend?
Wasn't BagOMayo voted one-year president of that OCSO sideshow like 2 years ago? Unbiased? Really? Too bad the media there is spineless as jellyfish.
Also you gotta love how many times they hide behind that "Officer Safety" phaggotbullshit? There they go again. From the results and endless delays in the Manhattan Project you'd think they don't GAF about their safety.
Truth

Utica, NY

#109 Nov 19, 2013
Hey Truth wrote:
<quoted text>Sure that wasn't you. Odd that. Spellchecker too huh? Shall I look for yours?
I don't claim to be bright. By your reaction and innate idiocy I'm guessing you're telegraphing it though. Thanks!
You do know that everyone realizes that you are posting under any number of different usernames don't you?

I am sure that I didn't post anything about the cat deal. I'm also sure that there are multiple people using the screen name Truth.

Sure, spellcheck away. I'm sure you'll find errors. I often type quickly and then don't take the time to check.

Telegraphing what? Please explain. I really like that you used the word innate. You spelled it right and actually used in context. Very nicely done.
Hey Truth

United States

#110 Nov 19, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
You do know that everyone realizes that you are posting under any number of different usernames don't you?
I am sure that I didn't post anything about the cat deal. I'm also sure that there are multiple people using the screen name Truth.
Sure, spellcheck away. I'm sure you'll find errors. I often type quickly and then don't take the time to check.
Telegraphing what? Please explain. I really like that you used the word innate. You spelled it right and actually used in context. Very nicely done.
Yup. They're all me. Feel better? Nope.

Re the spellcheck... so you admit you're an occasional hypocrite then? I mean in two posts together you have, but I just wanted to get it out there in one.

So are you Rob Maciol or the wifey?
Truth

Utica, NY

#111 Nov 19, 2013
Truth is incorrect wrote:
Those quotes are hearsay. No one in law enforcement heard Patterson make those statements. No one knows the motivations of the friend from whom these alleged statements originated. Again, you fall into the trap of replacing fact and critical thinking with emotion, just as McNamara and Maciol desire.

--Those were statements made under oath during a trial. That is a fact. To any reasonable person Patterson's actions when law enforcement did arrive would see to support that testimony. Your speculation about that person's motive are opinion. What law enforcement did hear was the 911 call from Patterson's girlfriend describing what she had been through. That is also a fact.

Again, it's you, Truth, who is missing the boat. I read that and it doesn't apply. The law provides for self defense (which is what you asked for and what I provided). Your attempt at redirection to Justification of Physical Force makes no logical sense and is off point. Patterson was not under arrest for anything. Police had no cause to arrest him. That came out in the trial as well. They had no basis to launch a gun fight. You would know this if you did the homework several contributors recommended, such as learning what was exposed during the trial.

-- Don't think so. You cited self defense law. I pointed out that the law goes well beyond what you posted and includes special provisions for law enforcement.

Truth, you're just a sheep, willing to buy the easy and half baked answers offered by the ivory tower instead of rolling up your sleeves and digging to the bottom. Yawn. You bore me.
As the OCSO whitewashes the so-called "after action" report and with no hard deadline for its release, you'll fall deeper into their trap of lies.

--What about my conspiracy question? Do you believe that that all of these people are involved in a conspiracy? A conspiracy that is so involved that the OC DA's office would post a false narrative about the incident and the trial of Christian Patterson? Do you really believe that?

Let's ask some questions? Truth, please answer the following:
Just what has the OCSO been doing with the report all of this time? Why more delay? Why hasn't a truly independent investigation been performed? Doesn't it appear odd that the agency being investigated (the OCSO) has the ability to redact statements in an investigation?

-- The investigation was undertaken by 4 members of law enforcement and three of those were form outside this area.

Just look at what Swenszkowski said in the Utica OD article published today,“We want to set a time for review involving some of the people that were part of the incident to check the factual aspects for any discrepancies and to make sure everything is accurate, and to check for any content that might compromise officer safety that needs to be redacted”.
A REAL after action report would have collected and examined all available evidence and testimony. There is no need for further review. What Swenszkowski means is they want to doctor the findings to completely cover their butts before the report is released.
Why is this so difficult for you to comprehend?
I don't know why the release of the report has taken this long. Heck, a week ago all I knew came from vague memories of news reports from the time of the incident and then from the time of the trial. Since then though I've read quite a lot about all of it. Nothing I've seen makes me think you are right. In fact the opposite is true. I came to this conclusion on my own. I've not been influenced by anyone except those in this forum who urged me to look closer and actually pointed me in a valid direction.

Again, are you "firstamendment" the dolt who used to comment non-stop about everything under the sun in the OD comment section?
Hey Truth

United States

#112 Nov 19, 2013
Ha haaaa! Click click click click! It will never make you right.
Truth

Utica, NY

#113 Nov 19, 2013
Hey Truth wrote:
<quoted text>Yup. They're all me. Feel better? Nope.
Re the spellcheck... so you admit you're an occasional hypocrite then? I mean in two posts together you have, but I just wanted to get it out there in one.
So are you Rob Maciol or the wifey?
Calling me names doesn't change the fact that seem to be delusional and then try to bully when you don't get your way.

Yes, is misspell sometimes because I type too quickly. Big deal.
Look

United States

#114 Nov 19, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Calling me names doesn't change the fact that seem to be delusional and then try to bully when you don't get your way.
Yes, is misspell sometimes because I type too quickly. Big deal.
Look idiot, my name calling is just the icing, unlike most of you I don't use it to make my points. There is a difference but you're too one-dimensional to ever realize it. Get it? Besides you're making him and you, obviously his most ardent supporter so far, look like the morons most people probably know you to be. If you think this is bullying you won't believe what I call bullying then. Hypocrite.

And I still believe you're the moron defending Joseph "Mengele" Sullivan the cat killer. Same sanctimonious-but-feigned stupidity kind of attitude. Same weak pathetically uncreative defenses that actually bury your guys more. You're defending in the very same neighborhood. Maybe the people you live amongst are that stupid but I am not.

Now get to clikking the little X's to trick yourself into thinking you people have a single fucking leg to stand on here. The more X's I see the more I know the truth hurts and you're pissed off about it. That's all. The report is nearing THREE YEARS fcktards.... anyone with a problem with that is some kind of upstate inbred public parasite attitude. Fuck all of you. The People are sick of you pathetic spineless pigs pretending you're real cops. Can you hear me now?
Truth is incorrect

Potsdam, NY

#115 Nov 19, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't know why the release of the report has taken this long. Heck, a week ago all I knew came from vague memories of news reports from the time of the incident and then from the time of the trial. Since then though I've read quite a lot about all of it. Nothing I've seen makes me think you are right. In fact the opposite is true. I came to this conclusion on my own. I've not been influenced by anyone except those in this forum who urged me to look closer and actually pointed me in a valid direction.
Again, are you "firstamendment" the dolt who used to comment non-stop about everything under the sun in the OD comment section?
You don't question anything you've seen? Head in the sand is an understatement.

However, as has been typical with you, failure to adequately respond directly to questions by either glossing over or ignoring particular statements or attempts at misdirection are your tactic. Your claims of having performed research are hollow and unsupported. Not once have you established a valid argument for a position, you simply disagree for the sake of doing so. I believe you are simply unwilling to remove your blinders and enjoy playing games with continued requests to "show me". When provided with requested reference, you willfully ignore it (NY law regarding self defense for citizens) but embrace insignificant data not germane (Justification for Physical Force). This only exemplifies your willingness to remain ignorant and worse, twist conversation. More games.

As for your concern if I'm "firstamendment", what possible concern is it to you? If you were more intelligent and had paid attention (not your strong suit), you would have noted I previously addressed that question.

Why do you continually ask if I believe there is a conspiracy? It doesn't matter if I believe there is one. It only matters if there is one. What if there is? I do know there is far too much in question surrounding the events of June 7, 2011 and all events subsequent to that date. What matters is if the trail identifies wrongdoing and who is or could be involved, how it will eventually be exposed, and what will be done about it. It's clear you have no care for any of these things, so why ask about them?

As I stated previously, you bore me and should call yourself something other than "Truth" because you have presented no truth and clearly lack the intellectual curiosity required to seek it.
Truth

Utica, NY

#116 Nov 19, 2013
Look wrote:
<quoted text>Look idiot, my name calling is just the icing, unlike most of you I don't use it to make my points. There is a difference but you're too one-dimensional to ever realize it. Get it? Besides you're making him and you, obviously his most ardent supporter so far, look like the morons most people probably know you to be. If you think this is bullying you won't believe what I call bullying then. Hypocrite.
And I still believe you're the moron defending Joseph "Mengele" Sullivan the cat killer. Same sanctimonious-but-feigned stupidity kind of attitude. Same weak pathetically uncreative defenses that actually bury your guys more. You're defending in the very same neighborhood. Maybe the people you live amongst are that stupid but I am not.
Now get to clikking the little X's to trick yourself into thinking you people have a single fucking leg to stand on here. The more X's I see the more I know the truth hurts and you're pissed off about it. That's all. The report is nearing THREE YEARS fcktards.... anyone with a problem with that is some kind of upstate inbred public parasite attitude. Fuck all of you. The People are sick of you pathetic spineless pigs pretending you're real cops. Can you hear me now?
What?
I'm too one-dimensional to understand why you call people disgusting names? What does that even mean? It's just the icing and you don't use it to make your points? You don't have any points. Just delusions of grandeur that lead you to believe that you somehow know things that no one else does. Me the moron? I'd love to put that to a vote. It would be difficult though because most rational people have no doubt grown tired of your rants, my schooling you at every turn and have put this thread on ignore. I'll bet you get all of the votes from your many and varied screen names though.

Newsflash:
Name calling is now and always has been the sign of a weak mind that can't make a cogent point. Same with the bad language. If you think that name calling and swearing somehow enhances your arguments then you really do need some special kind of help.

Believe what you want. I haven't been near the cat thread. Honest. It doesn't interest me at all. Just like with this case the only knowledge I have of that incident is a vague memory of stories in the OD and on WKTV news.

The more x's you see indicates how completely detached from reality people reading your rants think you are. This is the truth. I know you probably won't believe it because of your narcissism but I haven't once used the "Judge It" icons even though I do believe you to be clueless.

I have never nor would I ever pretend to be a cop. I don't think I've read anything in the now over 100 posts that says that anyone is claiming to be a cop. It's you who seem to think you are the grand master of the law and operational details/protocols.
Truth

Utica, NY

#117 Nov 19, 2013
Truth is incorrect wrote:
<quoted text>
You don't question anything you've seen? Head in the sand is an understatement.
However, as has been typical with you, failure to adequately respond directly to questions by either glossing over or ignoring particular statements or attempts at misdirection are your tactic. Your claims of having performed research are hollow and unsupported. Not once have you established a valid argument for a position, you simply disagree for the sake of doing so. I believe you are simply unwilling to remove your blinders and enjoy playing games with continued requests to "show me". When provided with requested reference, you willfully ignore it (NY law regarding self defense for citizens) but embrace insignificant data not germane (Justification for Physical Force). This only exemplifies your willingness to remain ignorant and worse, twist conversation. More games.
As for your concern if I'm "firstamendment", what possible concern is it to you? If you were more intelligent and had paid attention (not your strong suit), you would have noted I previously addressed that question.
Why do you continually ask if I believe there is a conspiracy? It doesn't matter if I believe there is one. It only matters if there is one. What if there is? I do know there is far too much in question surrounding the events of June 7, 2011 and all events subsequent to that date. What matters is if the trail identifies wrongdoing and who is or could be involved, how it will eventually be exposed, and what will be done about it. It's clear you have no care for any of these things, so why ask about them?
As I stated previously, you bore me and should call yourself something other than "Truth" because you have presented no truth and clearly lack the intellectual curiosity required to seek it.
As a coherent question without the vitriol and I'll be happy to answer. I won't evade or misdirect. Ask me a direct question and I'll tell you what I know, what I think and I'll even tell you if I don't know the answer. I'll give you a minute to look up vitriol, figure out what it means and make sure I spelled it correctly.

As for your point about the self defense law, it's you that has completely misread it in terms of what happened between Deputy Wyman and Christian Patterson.

I lack the "intellectual curiosity" required to seek the truth? Let me ask you something. have you read what I've written or are you so blinded by your opinion that you refuse to even try to understand another point of view. I have been nothing but curious about this since I started reading this thread. I've read much more about this case and what happened than I care to admit. Why? Because I would like to know the truth. The only way I know to do that is research. You on the other hand have offered nothing except opinion including your misread of the self defense law.

If you aren't "firstamendment" you are certainly cut from the same cloth.

I'll ask one more thing. Please give this a look:
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/beautiful...
Joker

Utica, NY

#118 Nov 19, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
As a coherent question without the vitriol and I'll be happy to answer. I won't evade or misdirect. Ask me a direct question and I'll tell you what I know, what I think and I'll even tell you if I don't know the answer. I'll give you a minute to look up vitriol, figure out what it means and make sure I spelled it correctly.
As for your point about the self defense law, it's you that has completely misread it in terms of what happened between Deputy Wyman and Christian Patterson.
I lack the "intellectual curiosity" required to seek the truth? Let me ask you something. have you read what I've written or are you so blinded by your opinion that you refuse to even try to understand another point of view. I have been nothing but curious about this since I started reading this thread. I've read much more about this case and what happened than I care to admit. Why? Because I would like to know the truth. The only way I know to do that is research. You on the other hand have offered nothing except opinion including your misread of the self defense law.
If you aren't "firstamendment" you are certainly cut from the same cloth.
I'll ask one more thing. Please give this a look:
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/beautiful...
You have clearly won this debate, well done.
He is the poster child for the link you have provided.
Another goof

United States

#119 Nov 19, 2013
Joker wrote:
<quoted text>
You have clearly won this debate, well done.
He is the poster child for the link you have provided.
Spoken like another true blindsheep homocopsual. Anyone who agrees with endless denials and silly accusations of "conspiracy thinkers" and "you say you know everything" when he can't cite any such statement is a little more than biased. I suppose you think it's fine that the report is almost three years old? That's longer than the Warren commission substandard asshole. You hillbillys are inclined to just post shit and act used to people believing you. Don't forget it you're marked already.
Cretin Hob Alert

Gouverneur, NY

#120 Nov 20, 2013
Another goof wrote:
<quoted text>Spoken like another true blindsheep homocopsual. Anyone who agrees with endless denials and silly accusations of "conspiracy thinkers" and "you say you know everything" when he can't cite any such statement is a little more than biased. I suppose you think it's fine that the report is almost three years old? That's longer than the Warren commission substandard asshole. You hillbillys are inclined to just post shit and act used to people believing you. Don't forget it you're marked already.
It is Cretin Hob above at his finest. He still doesn't understand that nobody gives one ratsazzz what he has to say one way or the other about anything. He is just a hate filled moron that is fun to mess with. Posts like the one above are proof positive he is becoming increasingly delusional and paranoid and moving steadily toward the nut house. Go Cretin go!!!
Joker

Utica, NY

#121 Nov 20, 2013
Another goof wrote:
<quoted text>Spoken like another true blindsheep homocopsual. Anyone who agrees with endless denials and silly accusations of "conspiracy thinkers" and "you say you know everything" when he can't cite any such statement is a little more than biased. I suppose you think it's fine that the report is almost three years old? That's longer than the Warren commission substandard asshole. You hillbillys are inclined to just post shit and act used to people believing you. Don't forget it you're marked already.
I believe you need mental health drugs and suggest if you don't already have them you go find a Dr to get you some. May also be time for a new tin foil hat, your current one is not deflecting the radio waves any longer. Ta ta for now.
Another goof

United States

#122 Nov 20, 2013
Joker wrote:
<quoted text>
I believe you need mental health drugs and suggest if you don't already have them you go find a Dr to get you some. May also be time for a new tin foil hat, your current one is not deflecting the radio waves any longer. Ta ta for now.
Prerequisite infantile "meds Joke". Check.
Tin foil uncreative "Tin Foil Hat" joke. Check.

Typical reply from one who can only be on Maciol's tiny dick. No facts. No retorts just the usual infantile names thrown like feces at detractors. It's a new world you stupidfuck. At least TRY to step up your game, whiny upstate simpleton.
Another goof

United States

#123 Nov 20, 2013
Cretin Hob Alert wrote:
<quoted text>
It is Cretin Hob above at his finest. He still doesn't understand that nobody gives one ratsazzz what he has to say one way or the other about anything.
That must be why you've cried and chased me for over a yearasshole. Yup! Waaah Waaaah Waaaah! I'm mad because I chose the flunkie path in life and became an upstate NY copsucker! Waaaah! Listen to the upstate loser fucktard public job people people! You know what you are, and you resent people calling you on it. There is no other explanation so fuckoff.
Cretin Hob Alert

Gouverneur, NY

#124 Nov 20, 2013
Another goof wrote:
<quoted text>Prerequisite infantile "meds Joke". Check.
Tin foil uncreative "Tin Foil Hat" joke. Check.
Typical reply from one who can only be on Maciol's tiny dick. No facts. No retorts just the usual infantile names thrown like feces at detractors. It's a new world you stupidfuck. At least TRY to step up your game, whiny upstate simpleton.
It is Cretin Hob above at his finest. He still doesn't understand that nobody gives one ratsazzz what he has to say one way or the other about anything. He is just a hate filled moron that is fun to mess with. Posts like the one above are proof positive he is becoming increasingly delusional and paranoid and moving steadily toward the nut house. Go Cretin go!!!
Fedup with Cretin Police

United States

#125 Nov 20, 2013
Wondering why the fat public parasite has taken the better part of three years to reconcile he and McNamara's pathetic self-serving lies?

Good luck with that public parasite scumbags. You don't look so cool on twitter or FB with that!
Fedup with Cretin Police

United States

#126 Nov 20, 2013
Look the fact of the matter is, no matter how you spin it, Maciol is a fraud and a failure. You all wanted the obese pig in there despite knowing his wholly lackluster work in NYM and Whitestown.

And the fact is that he's derelict in his duty and spends his time with self-promoting fucking bullshit all day. Now you queers can cry, whine, make tinfoil hat jokes but it's pretty easy see you don't have a leg to hop on. You made the bed girls, now lay in it.

Yer man is about ready to get blasted by NYC news on this so keep pretending you have a single fcking shot at passing off all these pathetic lies you live in.
Fedup with Cretin Police

United States

#127 Nov 20, 2013
I just ate a small piece of my poop.

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