Maciols Friends

United States

#42 Nov 15, 2013
Interesting that the only people who defend Maciol are either clueless sheep, or sex pervert brained fat goofs. Any doubts this is some upstate government job dole cop posting this childish schit? Nope!

Poor Rob Maciol: Surround yourself with losers and failure, you end up the same.
Mmmm wrote:
I miss saying those words when I tasted Wyman. He gave me man size loads and filled me up. I cry every night dreaming about the salty taste he left in my mouth. Not like dad, he hurts me when he does his thing. I hate macoiol for taking away what I loved and he has a job.
Drinking agian are we

United States

#44 Nov 15, 2013
Drinking? Or is this some homocopsual roid rage thing? You don't know what the fk heart is kid. No contest.
ok cretin wrote:
Take Utica out of your mouth gutless. You're just showing how jealous you are by living on here obsessed like the failure you are. Poor failure with no life. Next time you tell the nightstick, NO, NO, you bad, or make one in your 3D and learn it's your biatch. Lots of people are scared an cower to the tin star, get over it and realize your gutless for life.
Truth is incorrect

Vernon Center, NY

#45 Nov 15, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
If what you say is true then there must be a conspiracy of epic proportions. The Oneida County Sheriff's Office is responsible to higher powers in government just like most any other government agency. If there were any validity to your claim then it would seem to me that people who hold your opinion would have contacted a higher authority and asked for an investigation of the supposed wrongdoing.
I did what you suggested and then a little more I searched the OD archive. I found that the investigation was undertaken by an independent 4 member panel, all from law enforcement. Their identities will be released when the report is. That panel was reporting to Undersheriff Robert Swenszkowski. As of July their report was done and was being reviewed for possible redaction of tactical details. That's just like what the military does so that enemies aren't aware of what they may be up against should they engage the military.
I went further. I Googled "Wymman Report". What I found was that most of the links were to speculative(at best) posts form people just like you. None from any credible news source that would lead me to believe you are right.
I'm not sure why they haven't released the report yet and there are probably very few people who actually do. I certainly don't expect to find any of them here on Topix. It's an interesting question but I'm not going to work myself up into a lather about it though. If it means that much to you and the other posters who agree with you then make noise to the appropriate authorities and demand answers. Then if you get stonewalled and can prove it you might have the beginnings of a valid point of view. Until then though all you are giving is opinion based on nothing more than what you think happened. You are entitled to your opinion but remember, an opinion that can't be validated with verifiable facts is nothing but hot air.
You only scratched the surface to allow yourself the luxury of keeping your head in the sand. How convenient. Read ALL the UticaOD stories published during the trial. You won't, as that would lead to your understanding of the situation and change your opinion and you like it right where you are. You'll only cherry pick the portions that suit your boot licking.

As for hot air, your "fact" that Maciol is a budgetary wizard is absurd. As pointed out by another contributor, Maciol's budget was so overblown, he couldn't help but come in under it. There's another point for you to research. Again, you won't. It's far easier to sit as you do and pretend to have an informed opinion. You continually request links to fact. I told you to read all the stories from the UticaOD, especially those published during the trial. You didn't. It's you who is uninformed, not because we disagree, but because you have failed to do the required reading. Until you do, please keep your uninformed and useless boot licking-centric commentary to yourself.
Truth

Utica, NY

#46 Nov 15, 2013
Truth is incorrect wrote:
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You only scratched the surface to allow yourself the luxury of keeping your head in the sand. How convenient. Read ALL the UticaOD stories published during the trial. You won't, as that would lead to your understanding of the situation and change your opinion and you like it right where you are. You'll only cherry pick the portions that suit your boot licking.
As for hot air, your "fact" that Maciol is a budgetary wizard is absurd. As pointed out by another contributor, Maciol's budget was so overblown, he couldn't help but come in under it. There's another point for you to research. Again, you won't. It's far easier to sit as you do and pretend to have an informed opinion. You continually request links to fact. I told you to read all the stories from the UticaOD, especially those published during the trial. You didn't. It's you who is uninformed, not because we disagree, but because you have failed to do the required reading. Until you do, please keep your uninformed and useless boot licking-centric commentary to yourself.
Throughout this entire conversation you've posted nothing but opinion, unsubstantiated opinion at that. I did look through the OD archives. I did read any number of stories about this. I looked at WKTV's archives as well. I still haven't seen anything that would tend to make me change my mind. I have repeatedly asked you and others to post a link to anything that substantially confirms your allegations of Oneida County Sheriff Department violation of standard protocols. I've asked for links that prove the sheriff was part of a cover-up as you have alleged. All I get is more opinion, name calling and general nonsense.

As for the budget surpluses, your comment reflects the fact that you are completely uninformed as to how that process works. No one's department budget is overblown in this day and age. Again, if you have evidence to the contrary then present it. I'm all ears and eyes.

In the absence of any verifiable facts it is all just hot air.

I don't expect you'll post anything except the same as you have been. So call me names, keep throwing out unsubstantiated claims based on nothing other than you just know you're right.

There used to be a show on NBC called "Cheers" that took place in a Boston bar. In every episode a mailman called Cliff Clavin sat at the end of the bar and pontificated about all manner of subjects. The problem with his tales was that they were based not in fact but on what he thought to be true. I'm sure if you do an internet search you can find many of Cliff's ramblings. That's what this conversation reminds me of. You have no proof of what you are saying and all of the available evidence suggests that you are wrong and yet you persist because you just know in your heart of hearts that you know better than anyone what really happened.

Again, I have searched. I have read. I've found nothing that would tend to lead me to believe what you say. Again, if you have something the post it specifically. My guess is you don't because we would have see it by now.
Today is day 892

United States

#47 Nov 15, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Throughout this entire conversation you've posted nothing but opinion, unsubstantiated opinion at that. I did look through the OD archives. I did read any number of stories about this. I looked at WKTV's archives as well. I still haven't seen anything that would tend to make me change my mind. I have repeatedly asked you and others to post a link to anything that substantially confirms your allegations of Oneida County Sheriff Department violation of standard protocols. I've asked for links that prove the sheriff was part of a cover-up as you have alleged. All I get is more opinion, name calling and general nonsense.
As for the budget surpluses, your comment reflects the fact that you are completely uninformed as to how that process works. No one's department budget is overblown in this day and age. Again, if you have evidence to the contrary then present it. I'm all ears and eyes.
In the absence of any verifiable facts it is all just hot air.
I don't expect you'll post anything except the same as you have been. So call me names, keep throwing out unsubstantiated claims based on nothing other than you just know you're right.
There used to be a show on NBC called "Cheers" that took place in a Boston bar. In every episode a mailman called Cliff Clavin sat at the end of the bar and pontificated about all manner of subjects. The problem with his tales was that they were based not in fact but on what he thought to be true. I'm sure if you do an internet search you can find many of Cliff's ramblings. That's what this conversation reminds me of. You have no proof of what you are saying and all of the available evidence suggests that you are wrong and yet you persist because you just know in your heart of hearts that you know better than anyone what really happened.
Again, I have searched. I have read. I've found nothing that would tend to lead me to believe what you say. Again, if you have something the post it specifically. My guess is you don't because we would have see it by now.
You are clearly unhinged or one of the barnacles attached to Maciol's paycheck. Period. Nobody can possibly be that stupid unless you're PLAYING stupid for the benefit of your retard act. There's simply no way you can be repeatedly told the fat phony STATED he'd produce the report. He has not produced the report. Were we wrong to believe him or do you have some thin excuse for that also? I guess that's "opinion" LMAO! You continually deny all this despite it repeatedly being explains and laughably claim it's "opinion". With supporters like you Rob looks that much more incompetent and liable to attract the low-watts of the world.
Go shove your head back up your ass and promise you'll vote because for every moron like you I promise there's at least 2 more who won't forget this freakshow, no matter how bad you want to see fatman get a new Exec job. Get real.
Truth

Utica, NY

#48 Nov 15, 2013
Today is day 892 wrote:
<quoted text>You are clearly unhinged or one of the barnacles attached to Maciol's paycheck. Period. Nobody can possibly be that stupid unless you're PLAYING stupid for the benefit of your retard act. There's simply no way you can be repeatedly told the fat phony STATED he'd produce the report. He has not produced the report. Were we wrong to believe him or do you have some thin excuse for that also? I guess that's "opinion" LMAO! You continually deny all this despite it repeatedly being explains and laughably claim it's "opinion". With supporters like you Rob looks that much more incompetent and liable to attract the low-watts of the world.
Go shove your head back up your ass and promise you'll vote because for every moron like you I promise there's at least 2 more who won't forget this freakshow, no matter how bad you want to see fatman get a new Exec job. Get real.
Unhinged? Why because I have the audacity to question your opinion?

Thanks so much for the facts! I especially enjoy how you accent them with the bad language and name calling. Did you know that those things are sure signs of a weak mind whose opinions cannot hold up under scrutiny?

Really, who looks stupid here? Someone, who after repeated requests, cannot produce one credible link to support his/her opinion or someone who is asking for evidence of the wrongdoing and incompetence you allege? The answer is obvious.

Did you look up Cliff Clavin?
Truth

Utica, NY

#49 Nov 15, 2013
Today is day 892 wrote:
<quoted text>You are clearly unhinged or one of the barnacles attached to Maciol's paycheck. Period. Nobody can possibly be that stupid unless you're PLAYING stupid for the benefit of your retard act. There's simply no way you can be repeatedly told the fat phony STATED he'd produce the report. He has not produced the report. Were we wrong to believe him or do you have some thin excuse for that also? I guess that's "opinion" LMAO! You continually deny all this despite it repeatedly being explains and laughably claim it's "opinion". With supporters like you Rob looks that much more incompetent and liable to attract the low-watts of the world.
Go shove your head back up your ass and promise you'll vote because for every moron like you I promise there's at least 2 more who won't forget this freakshow, no matter how bad you want to see fatman get a new Exec job. Get real.
Let's pretend for a moment that I am an unhinged barnacle low-watt. Convince me that there was wrong doing with credible, verifiable evidence. That's all I'm asking. I think that's reasonable. You've portrayed yourself as someone who knows all about what happened at the scene, during the trial and during the subsequent review of the incident that led to the report.

This conversation is about much more that the report not being released. It goes to your allegations about Sheriffs Department misconduct in handling the situation. All you have to do is prove it to me with facts and I'll buy into your opinion 100%.

What happens if the report is released and there is no evidence of what you say? Will your excuse be that the 4 member independent review panel are in on a cover-up too?

I don't know the sheriff. The only knowledge I have of the sheriff or what happened with Deputy Wyman comes from all of the news reports I've read and seen. I don't know that I'd vote for him for County Executive or not. I guess if that time comes I'd have to look more closely at what he's done and what he would propose to do on the county level. For now though from what I've seen and read he's doing a good job in the position he's in especially in a fiscal sense.
Wyman Died Maciol Lied

United States

#50 Nov 15, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Let's pretend for a moment that I am an unhinged barnacle low-watt. Convince me that there was wrong doing with credible, verifiable evidence. That's all I'm asking. I think that's reasonable. You've portrayed yourself as someone who knows all about what happened at the scene, during the trial and during the subsequent review of the incident that led to the report.
This conversation is about much more that the report not being released. It goes to your allegations about Sheriffs Department misconduct in handling the situation. All you have to do is prove it to me with facts and I'll buy into your opinion 100%.
What happens if the report is released and there is no evidence of what you say? Will your excuse be that the 4 member independent review panel are in on a cover-up too?
I don't know the sheriff. The only knowledge I have of the sheriff or what happened with Deputy Wyman comes from all of the news reports I've read and seen. I don't know that I'd vote for him for County Executive or not. I guess if that time comes I'd have to look more closely at what he's done and what he would propose to do on the county level. For now though from what I've seen and read he's doing a good job in the position he's in especially in a fiscal sense.
A He stayed down the street when his man was killed. Fact.
B He has stated several times he would provide a report that would explain why he was blaming Wyman and McNamara was blaming Patterson then vice versa. Telling the public that a death report promising a "critical look" at the operations of the OCSD that night, and not delivering is a pretty big fckup whether you agree or not. In the Navy fatman would have to turn over his command or face the consequences. If you can't your head wrapped around that I don't know what to tell you besides go troll somewhere where the material is easier to follow. Maciol will be lucky to survive re-elections so save us the wonderful "fiscal" bullshit. Nobody's buying from people who aren't even basically accountable. End of story.
Truth

Utica, NY

#51 Nov 15, 2013
Wyman Died Maciol Lied wrote:
<quoted text>A He stayed down the street when his man was killed. Fact.
B He has stated several times he would provide a report that would explain why he was blaming Wyman and McNamara was blaming Patterson then vice versa. Telling the public that a death report promising a "critical look" at the operations of the OCSD that night, and not delivering is a pretty big fckup whether you agree or not. In the Navy fatman would have to turn over his command or face the consequences. If you can't your head wrapped around that I don't know what to tell you besides go troll somewhere where the material is easier to follow. Maciol will be lucky to survive re-elections so save us the wonderful "fiscal" bullshit. Nobody's buying from people who aren't even basically accountable. End of story.
Actually that's not the end of the story. The end of the story will come when actual evidence, not just supposition, is presented. That's when the story will be over.

So I take it then you have no actual, factual proof to offer. Nothing definitive that you can point to that supports your point of view. You just know that you are right and everyone is just supposed to take your word for it. You most recent screen name(="Wyman Died Maciol Lied") says everything anyone needs to know about your objectivity in this. I take it from your inability to supply me or anyone else who might be interested with a link to credible evidence to support you opinion, that you have none.

"It's a little known fact that the tan became popular in what is known as the Bronze Age." - Cliff Clavin
and
"Everyone is the Swiss Army owns a Swiss Army Knife. That's why no one messes with Switzerland" - Cliff Clavin

Do you see the similarity? Opinions versus facts I mean.
Huh

Henderson, NV

#52 Nov 15, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually that's not the end of the story. The end of the story will come when actual evidence, not just supposition, is presented. That's when the story will be over.
So I take it then you have no actual, factual proof to offer. Nothing definitive that you can point to that supports your point of view. You just know that you are right and everyone is just supposed to take your word for it. You most recent screen name(="Wyman Died Maciol Lied") says everything anyone needs to know about your objectivity in this. I take it from your inability to supply me or anyone else who might be interested with a link to credible evidence to support you opinion, that you have none.
"It's a little known fact that the tan became popular in what is known as the Bronze Age." - Cliff Clavin
and
"Everyone is the Swiss Army owns a Swiss Army Knife. That's why no one messes with Switzerland" - Cliff Clavin
Do you see the similarity? Opinions versus facts I mean.
Wow are you really as stupid as you sound? WTF are you smoking? Maciol lied and said he'd show the report. Do your best to follow along moron.
Truth

Utica, NY

#53 Nov 15, 2013
Huh wrote:
<quoted text>Wow are you really as stupid as you sound? WTF are you smoking? Maciol lied and said he'd show the report. Do your best to follow along moron.
I'm getting a little board with this "oh ye of many screen names". This is getting just like that old adage about trying to teach a pig to sing.

We could continue this conversation but let me give you a preview of what that looks likes and save both of us some time and me some aggravation.

1. I'll ask you for definitive proof of what you are alleging(your opinion).

2. You don't have any proof so you won't respond to that request.

3. You'll answer in one of your many screen names.

4. That answer will include bad language,name calling and opinion but still no proof.

5. You'll use your many personas to add nuts, clueless and disagree icons from the Judge It feature to every one of my comments and brilliant, funny and agree icons to yours.

6. And then the cycle repeats itself..........

I'll leave you with this from the Merriam Webster dictionary:

"OPINION
a belief, judgment, or way of thinking about something : what someone thinks about a particular thing"

"FACT
something that truly exists or happens : something that has actual existence : a true piece of information"

Have a nice day.
peace

Syracuse, NY

#54 Nov 15, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm getting a little board with this "oh ye of many screen names". This is getting just like that old adage about trying to teach a pig to sing.
We could continue this conversation but let me give you a preview of what that looks likes and save both of us some time and me some aggravation.
1. I'll ask you for definitive proof of what you are alleging(your opinion).
2. You don't have any proof so you won't respond to that request.
3. You'll answer in one of your many screen names.
4. That answer will include bad language,name calling and opinion but still no proof.
5. You'll use your many personas to add nuts, clueless and disagree icons from the Judge It feature to every one of my comments and brilliant, funny and agree icons to yours.
6. And then the cycle repeats itself..........
I'll leave you with this from the Merriam Webster dictionary:
"OPINION
a belief, judgment, or way of thinking about something : what someone thinks about a particular thing"
"FACT
something that truly exists or happens : something that has actual existence : a true piece of information"
Have a nice day.
Boy I am glad you stopped trying to explain to that idiot. You make sense and that idiot will argue with Jesus if he could.You must understand that most people on topix are low life scum and when their welfare money runs out halfway through the month they get very nasty because of booze and cigarette withdrawl.
Whatever

United States

#55 Nov 15, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm getting a little board with this "oh ye of many screen names". This is getting just like that old adage about trying to teach a pig to sing.
Now you're really losing it trying to play games.

Maciol said he'd produce a report loser. That's not opinion no matter how desperate you get son. Try screaming your head off in a less aware forum, you're not getting what you want here simp.
Whatever

United States

#56 Nov 15, 2013
peace wrote:
<quoted text>Boy I am glad you stopped trying to explain to that idiot. You make sense and that idiot will argue with Jesus if he could.You must understand that most people on topix are low life scum and when their welfare money runs out halfway through the month they get very nasty because of booze and cigarette withdrawl.
LMAO another excuse-make with no standards trying to wish MAciol's failures away.

Good luck with all that!
Clifford C Clavin Jr

Utica, NY

#57 Nov 16, 2013
"Well ya see, Norm, it's like this. A herd of buffalo can only move as fast as the slowest buffalo. And when the herd is hunted, it is the slowest and weakest ones at the back that are killed first. This natural selection is good for the herd as a whole, because the general speed and health of the whole group keeps improving by the regular killing of the weakest members. In much the same way, the human brain can only operate as fast as the slowest brain cells. Excessive intake of alcohol, as we know, kills brain cells. But naturally, it attacks the slowest and weakest brain cells first. In this way, regular consumption of beer eliminates the weaker brain cells, making the brain a faster and more efficient machine. That's why you always feel smarter after a few beers."
Imagine that one

United States

#59 Nov 16, 2013
Imagine Maciol thinking he can go from failed sheriff to failed EX simple because he has friends that have "the audacity" to play stupid with their standards.
The man is a fraud and didn't keep his word, and cowers hiding the Wyman report.

Good luck thinking he'll make it through ANY election after this. He's going to have some wholly embarrassing interviews if he tries.

Time for the parasite class to learn its place. Stupid friends that play extra stupid so they then claim ignorance of the man's problems won't help him.

Oh the "audacity" the leech hicks are so "proud" of haha!
peace

Syracuse, NY

#60 Nov 16, 2013
I would vote for cardillo any day over pissante and his stooges.Pissante is a big spending republicrat.
Da Law

Ilion, NY

#61 Nov 16, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
What I got from these post and past posts here on Topix is a lot of opinion and very little in the way of facts.
Facts about what happened that night are, sadly, lacking. Hence the need for a detailed explanation of what happened.

It's more than a little unusual that the release of the report has been continually pushed back for reasons that remain nebulous. More troubling is the very real possibility that the report won't actually answer the number one question- how did the command and control structure of the OCSD fail so totally and completely?

Mind you, this isn't just speculation. It's the official story, at least so far. According to the existing narrative Wyman DISOBEYED A DIRECT ORDER. I put that in all caps because it's one of the biggest inconsistencies with what we've been told so far. His behavior, at least as described in the record to date, is totally at odds with what a Marine with CQB experience would do. Disobey a direct order? Silhouette himself by standing directly in front of a light? Bracket himself in the garage doorway? Frontally assault an armed man? Intentionally enter the line of fire of supporting elements?

Really?

Given the official story so far it's simply unbelievable that no one has been fired or brought up on charges. Command and control simply collapsed during the standoff and so far no one, not one single officer, has been disciplined. That doesn't inspire confidence that we'll be getting a thorough explanation of how the collapse happened and who, exactly, was responsible.
What happened

United States

#62 Nov 17, 2013
? I don't see the mental midgets making ridiculous comments punctuated with "TV character" wisdom from the supporters of worthless Maciol anymore.

Could it be that finally they realized how pathetic their tack was on that or did their internet get shut off?
What happened

United States

#63 Nov 17, 2013
Da Law wrote:
<quoted text>
Facts about what happened that night are, sadly, lacking. Hence the need for a detailed explanation of what happened.
It's more than a little unusual that the release of the report has been continually pushed back for reasons that remain nebulous. More troubling is the very real possibility that the report won't actually answer the number one question- how did the command and control structure of the OCSD fail so totally and completely?
Mind you, this isn't just speculation. It's the official story, at least so far. According to the existing narrative Wyman DISOBEYED A DIRECT ORDER. I put that in all caps because it's one of the biggest inconsistencies with what we've been told so far. His behavior, at least as described in the record to date, is totally at odds with what a Marine with CQB experience would do. Disobey a direct order? Silhouette himself by standing directly in front of a light? Bracket himself in the garage doorway? Frontally assault an armed man? Intentionally enter the line of fire of supporting elements?
Really?
Given the official story so far it's simply unbelievable that no one has been fired or brought up on charges. Command and control simply collapsed during the standoff and so far no one, not one single officer, has been disciplined. That doesn't inspire confidence that we'll be getting a thorough explanation of how the collapse happened and who, exactly, was responsible.
The won't address you directly, they'll claim they don't understand and demand links to go argue like little children over. I learned long long ago that the people who actually support Rob Maciol are cheats, losers and people with shoddy ethics. Look at all he wrought in NYM?
Not exactly a ringing endorsement. I suppose his "fiscal wisdom" also involved making OC pay 12k for a pedo paranoid's website that's literally mirrored in cities all over the country.

Way to go Slobby! Can't wait until he announces and goes on the radio to take calls! LMAO!!

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