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Ithaca, NY

#22 Apr 2, 2014
Parents fighting.... Lol... Drama!
sick and tired

Schenectady, NY

#25 Apr 3, 2014
Everyone fights there. They all feel entitled because they pay to go there. They feel they automatically get to play baseball football and basketball just because they pay. Dont matter if their kid stinks. It should be fair is their plea. Its a sickening rat hole. Who would pay to go there and play on those horrible fields. The bleachers should be condemned. The lights dont work. The baseball field is awful. Wake up people .. the teachers are awful and the leadership corrupt. Have you people even looked into your local public schools. Dont forget you are paying for it
ND Fan

Utica, NY

#26 Apr 3, 2014
fact wrote:
But they still exist...buy this, pancake that, bottle drive this. Charge outrageous admission to own students at games....and no fundraisers? R u retarded? Eat here, money for the prom, buy a shirt (at a high price do the school makes money)..and have you heard the cost of driver ed? Twice what other schools are...why? Bc nd takes a cut. U r too dumb to even speak if you dont knpw this! Nd parent..gfy
It costs more and they have fundraising because they can't just reach into taxpayers pockets when they want something.

ND isn't perfect. No school is. They are an alternative to the government run monopoly that is the public school system though. Choice is a good thing when it comes to deciding what school to send your child to.

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Since: Nov 10

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#27 Apr 3, 2014
ND Fan wrote:
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It costs more and they have fundraising because they can't just reach into taxpayers pockets when they want something.
ND isn't perfect. No school is. They are an alternative to the government run monopoly that is the public school system though. Choice is a good thing when it comes to deciding what school to send your child to.
I agree that choice is a good thing. However, not all choices are good. To pay $5,000 to go to a sub-standard school with all the problems and politics that come with it is not in anyone’s best interest.
fact

Newington, CT

#28 Apr 3, 2014
Hence the mass exodus
ND Fan

Utica, NY

#29 Apr 3, 2014
JusticeDefiled13501 wrote:
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I agree that choice is a good thing. However, not all choices are good. To pay $5,000 to go to a sub-standard school with all the problems and politics that come with it is not in anyone’s best interest.
Let people choose for themselves.

Substandard? By what objective measure?
SAT scores?
Graduation rates?
Number of graduates going on to college?
Success later in life?

Problems and politics? Most of the problems seem to be sports related. In my experience that is the same in any school or organized sports. A lot of parents are just sure that their child should get more playing time. Other schools don't have problems and politics?

It's up to parents to decide whether they think ND is worth it or not. If they can afford it and choose ND over a public school then who are you to question that decision? I've spoken with many parochial school parents over the years. There are all kinds of reasons people opt for ND. No matter what there reason, none of them are wrong.

Choice is not just a good thing. It's a great thing. If choice is removed everyone loses because parents can't opt for something they think is better and there is no impetus to improve what is left once choice is removed.
amc

Utica, NY

#30 Apr 3, 2014
No way is it just sports...omg so much is swept under the rug and not in public. And sub standard is correct. Nd won't publish any of its test scores compared to public. All they say is they all go to college. All 41 seniors..big whoop Dee do all 41 hand picked kids. Any kid who has trouble is kicked out. ..especially the black kids...yes the black kids. Ask how many have they have and how many kicked out. The percentage is staggering. And yes choice is good and its evident not many people are choosing ND

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#31 Apr 3, 2014
ND Fan wrote:
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Substandard? By what objective measure?
SAT scores?
Graduation rates?
Number of graduates going on to college?
Success later in life?
SAT scores - Are you saying that these kids would have had lower SAT scores if they attended public schools?

Graduation rates - Are you saying that these kids would have not graduated if they attended public schools?

Number of graduates going on to college - Are you saying that these kids would have not gone to college if they attended public schools?(and their parents would have an additional $20,000 to put toward those colleges)

Success later in life - Are you saying these kids would have failed at life if they had attended public schools?

You are giving a lot of credit to a school instead of to the students and parents where it actually belongs.
ND Fan

Herkimer, NY

#32 Apr 3, 2014
JusticeDefiled13501 wrote:
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SAT scores - Are you saying that these kids would have had lower SAT scores if they attended public schools?
Graduation rates - Are you saying that these kids would have not graduated if they attended public schools?
Number of graduates going on to college - Are you saying that these kids would have not gone to college if they attended public schools?(and their parents would have an additional $20,000 to put toward those colleges)
Success later in life - Are you saying these kids would have failed at life if they had attended public schools?
You are giving a lot of credit to a school instead of to the students and parents where it actually belongs.
Read it again. You missed the point completely. You said in the post I responded to:
"To pay $5,000 to go to a sub-standard school with all the problems and politics that come with it is not in anyone’s best interest."
Calling the school sub-standard is completely subjective. It's your opinion. I was asking by what OBJECTIVE measure you make that judgement. Then I suggested some. Do you have data that supports the opinion you gave?
I think parents should decide what they think is best for their own children. If they can afford it or if ND lends some financial help and if they think that ND is what they want for their children I say let them spend their own money the way they want to. Who are you to say how anyone should spend money on their children's education or how they spend money on anything for that matter? Who are you to make any kind of judgement about anyone's decision about anything?
jackie Brown

Utica, NY

#33 Apr 3, 2014
I think uncertified teachers is evidence enough of substandard. I think when u start a teacher at 21,000 ...that is evidence of substandard. I think when u have locker rooms that dont get cleaned by janitors and are filthy and run down. That is evidence . When the lights on your field dont work..or the bleachers are falling apart...that is substandard. When the school kicks out kids who struggle instead of help them..that is substandard. When they have teachers who have taught there for 40 years and have nothing. ..that is substandard. When you have a principal who couldnt work in a public school well...that would be substandard. Its evident that its a substandard school. ..now if you want to pay for that...you're exactly right...your choice. Enjoy
fact

Newington, CT

#34 Apr 3, 2014
Subatandard ?? How bout a nun With no morals? How bout a corrupt board with shady dealings??? Supreme court judge resigns from her own alma mater. You need to be hit with a hammer to see the truth?
mother mary

Utica, NY

#35 Apr 3, 2014
Shes not a real nun. She says she is. Its the only way she can have a job. Where could she go in the real world. Its why she became a nun...shes a social misfit. With a neo Nazi Marxist twist
Gene

Rome, NY

#36 Apr 3, 2014
Stop picking on my friend the nun
lincoln

Utica, NY

#37 Apr 3, 2014
fact wrote:
Subatandard ?? How bout a nun With no morals? How bout a corrupt board with shady dealings??? Supreme court judge resigns from her own alma mater. You need to be hit with a hammer to see the truth?
Bernie did not graduate from ND. she went to UCA and graduated in 1970.
Gee Whiz

Carthage, NY

#38 Apr 3, 2014
Is that fat big mouth cha cha still there?
ND Fan

Utica, NY

#39 Apr 4, 2014
jackie Brown wrote:
I think uncertified teachers is evidence enough of substandard. I think when u start a teacher at 21,000 ...that is evidence of substandard. I think when u have locker rooms that dont get cleaned by janitors and are filthy and run down. That is evidence . When the lights on your field dont work..or the bleachers are falling apart...that is substandard. When the school kicks out kids who struggle instead of help them..that is substandard. When they have teachers who have taught there for 40 years and have nothing...that is substandard. When you have a principal who couldnt work in a public school well...that would be substandard. Its evident that its a substandard school...now if you want to pay for that...you're exactly right...your choice. Enjoy
I think the outcome is what is important. Do young men and women leave ND with the skills required to do college level work and compete in the workplace? I think they've clearly demonstrated that they can fulfill that mission. ND doesn't have the financial advantage that public schools do so one can reasonably expect that because education is the priority that money for athletics might take a back seat. Public schools just raise taxes or bond when they need new bleachers and lights for athletic fields. ND can't do that. I'm not sure why you think that children who are struggling are expelled rather than helped. It's been my experience that teachers at ND are available for extra help "10th period". Do you have an example?

Some people's idea of sub-standard is a 58% graduation rate and when security guards are required in the halls of the school.
fact

Newington, CT

#40 Apr 4, 2014
The kids that graduate from nd, would graduate and do well anywhere...thats not the point
ND Fan

Utica, NY

#41 Apr 4, 2014
fact wrote:
The kids that graduate from nd, would graduate and do well anywhere...thats not the point
What is the point? The mission of any school is to educate children and prepare them for the next level. All children in New York State take the same standard tests that are the objective indicator of whether a school has successfully executed their mission. Graduation rates are also an objective indicator of how well a school is performing. The worth of a school isn't based on athletic fields and stadium lights. The worth of a school is determined by the education it provides. I would say that by the objective measures listed ND does pretty well.
hey

Whitesboro, NY

#42 Apr 4, 2014
how can I get my kid their for free? 7th grader, exceptional in football, baseball and basketball
Mikey

Kansas City, MO

#43 Apr 4, 2014
fact wrote:
Subatandard ?? How bout a nun With no morals? How bout a corrupt board with shady dealings??? Supreme court judge resigns from her own alma mater. You need to be hit with a hammer to see the truth?
Actually, the Supreme court judge that you mention is definitely no credit to ND. She has her own very sordid past, committing adultery with a past district attorney that cost them both their marriages and destroyed their children, lack of the whole spectrum of morals and, of course, for those that have known her from way back, she is none too bright. She was always at the bottom of the barrel in school. She is politically connected which is the only thing that has gotten her that far and Utica is the only place on earth that would have ever put her in the position she is in. So if you really like ND, don't mention her name and ND in the same sentence.

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