Uticas Shell Nano Game

Uticas Shell Nano Game

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but but but

United States

#3 Apr 20, 2014
No hopefully it will change. The more intelligent people in the media are starting to admit to eachother it's all BS. Not the OD though!
Truth

Utica, NY

#6 Apr 21, 2014
As long as the taxpayers of the state of New York keep electing representatives that funnel tax money into this scheme, the headlines will keep coming.

If there was money to be made here in nanotechnology then a chip manufacturer would already be here. The only way it makes sense for any business to locate here is if they are bribed with taxpayer money. even with all of the incentives(bribes) being offered there are still no takers on the empty lot at the end of the former Edic Road that you get to via the new road that the taxpayers built.
Common Sense

Berkeley Heights, NJ

#10 Apr 21, 2014
Regardless of whatever tax incentives the state, county and city can offer, even zero tax, there is a gaping hole in the plan. High technology companies require a state of the art workforce, and I'm not talking SUNY IT graduates. MIT, Cal Tech, Stanford, etc. Unfortunately, no one who has a choice would ever choose Utica, at least no one who means jack shit in the nanotechnology industry, or anyone who could ever mean jack shit in the industry.

People like Picente at the county level will never get that, because they lack the real-world chops to understand how world class businesses think and behave. He doesn't have the ability to look beyond the Utica area in any aspect of life. For him, MVCC is Princeton on the Parkway. He shouldn't be singled out, because all of our local politicians have similarly limited perspectives.

The only thing that will turn the tide is stemming the exodus of our best and brightest young people for greener pastures in NYC, Boston, DC or wherever else they go. If we can't keep our bright kids in the area, it's a safe bet that bright kids from other areas will be even less likely to put down roots in our community.

Think about it. If you're a hot item, recent graduate in a technology field, and can go work for a start up or a tech giant in Silicon Valley, or maybe some biotech company in Boston, or for as an analyst at a big bank or hedge fund in NYC, why the fuck would you ever say, "I CHOOSE UTICA!" You wouldn't. Their potential employers know that, and that's just one of many reasons this whole nano tech craze is nothing more than a political wet dream. The employers will never set up shop here.
Another Brindisi Farce

United States

#11 Apr 21, 2014
But wait! Cuomo just bought Alain Kaloyeros another Ferarri to "impress" the SUNY students so it must be true! It was even in the "Observer Dispatch" so it HAS to be true!

Anthony Brindisi and Joe Goofo say it is going there and they will "Make it so"!

There are currently no less than 6 "Nano" initiatives in NYS alone, all enjoying the taxdollars and all citing Global Foundries as the "savior" despite GF's known tendency to get sued for IP theft about four times a year on average and their general alienation from the other big 4. It's like letting John Wayne Gacey hand out Halloween candy

Numerous other state with far better weather, prospects, MUCH lower taxes and higher resources. NY is dead last in desirability, period.

Regarding the SUNY College of Nonoscale Tech they are 10 years behind the trends. Numerous employers are frustrated with these grads and there are even running jokes about SUNY "Nano". "Ok, I know they taught you "this" but this is how we really need you to do this in the real world" is often the general theme with new grads.

SUNY has ZERO materials properties research they are not even a research school like MIT and UCLA. Basically SUNY teaches people how to use available equipment to process yesterday's technology. You don't hire from community colleges when you need serious research and advances. They have been promising "Cyber Valley" and "Nano NY" since Hillary floated the retarded idea in 1999 on one of her so-called "listening tours" where idiots like Donna Donovan and Elizabeth Cooper fawn over a transistor and think it is the pathway to a new host to eat alive. Just like these people running liberal taxland nanny NY for the last 30 years. They are non-productive people looking for a new host to live parasitically off of and these people they are trying to lure there with "Taxpayer Ferrari Success Man" Alain Kaloyeros' example. The only problem is that NY taxpayers can't afford to pay everyone a few hundred thou a year so they can live off hot air and nano soccer-mom dream-sales like Alain.
Truth

Utica, NY

#12 Apr 22, 2014
Again, if there was money to be made in nanotechnology in this region then the private investment would already be here.

The fact that the marketing has gone on for as long as it has shows that it is not a profitable venture. Every year untold millions in taxpayer dollars are pumped into that marketing. What is there to show for it? An empty lot with a new road to it and another taxpayer financed building on a SUNY campus.

Our elected representatives and their accomplices (like EDGE) can continue to deny reality but the proof lies at the end of the former Edic Road - an empty lot.
No Private dollars

Netherlands

#13 Apr 22, 2014
This is all taxpayer money being invested. I guess it beats investing in welfare! At least there will be something to show for it. The business case is not there for nano.
Glad

United States

#14 Apr 22, 2014
Anytime NY state spends a dime it's waste. Welfare, layers of worthless criminal cops demanding their precious pensions and pipe dreams the politicians sell you.

So glad I don't need upstate NY in my life. Let all those people rot for what they are. They vote for this every time.
Truth

Utica, NY

#15 Apr 22, 2014
No Private dollars wrote:
This is all taxpayer money being invested. I guess it beats investing in welfare! At least there will be something to show for it. The business case is not there for nano.
What is there to show for it? A new building on the SUNYIT campus? A new road to the empty lot? I guess if those things mean something to you then there is something to show for it.

If New York really wanted something to show for their efforts they would lower taxes, reign in unions(mostly public sector unions) and put the skids on over the top regulation. Those are the things that make economically successful states economically successful and attract businesses that pay taxes. This Nano-scheme is just another in a long line of taxpayer financed projects big and small that never quite live up to their advance billing. A lot of people (like those at EDGE) are earning a very good living at the expense of the taxpayers as long as this goes on.

The next time someone tells you how promising nanotechnology is for this region ask them what proof they have. So far the only people making money are making it at the expense of the taxpayer.
Truth

Utica, NY

#17 Apr 22, 2014
Aquilinis Hate of Riggies wrote:
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I'm still waiting for the names of the private companies that are going to be investing. If there was one that name would be plastered all over the OD and in every elected officials speeches about anything.
The only private companies I've ever heard anything about are those that will occupy the Quad-C(not to be confused with the non-existent chip fab) building on the SUNYIT campus.
Utica Positivity Brigade

Harpursville, NY

#19 Apr 22, 2014
Truth wrote:
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What is there to show for it? A new building on the SUNYIT campus? A new road to the empty lot? I guess if those things mean something to you then there is something to show for it.
You know what it reminds me of? All those pictures of "new" ghost towns in China... Brand new buildings, store fronts, etc for tens of thousands of people to live in, and nobody wants to be there.
City Audits and Riggies

Clifton Park, NY

#22 May 1, 2014
Truth wrote:
Again, if there was money to be made in nanotechnology in this region then the private investment would already be here.
The fact that the marketing has gone on for as long as it has shows that it is not a profitable venture. Every year untold millions in taxpayer dollars are pumped into that marketing. What is there to show for it? An empty lot with a new road to it and another taxpayer financed building on a SUNY campus.
Our elected representatives and their accomplices (like EDGE) can continue to deny reality but the proof lies at the end of the former Edic Road - an empty lot.
Truth.
City Issues and Riggies

Clifton Park, NY

#23 May 2, 2014
It's three card monte. Lol!
Bad City and Riggies

Clifton Park, NY

#24 May 3, 2014
City Issues and Riggies wrote:
It's three card monte. Lol!
Good comparison.
Truth Hurts and Riggies

Clifton Park, NY

#25 May 4, 2014
Pick a card...any card! Lol!
High Taxes and Riggies

Clifton Park, NY

#26 May 7, 2014
Truth Hurts and Riggies wrote:
Pick a card...any card! Lol!
Guess what hand? Lol!

Utica Lies and Riggies

Since: May 14

Clifton Park, NY

#27 May 10, 2014
I'm thinking of a number...

Utica Lies and Riggies

Since: May 14

Clifton Park, NY

#28 May 11, 2014
Duck...duck...duck...duck...GO OSE!

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