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The only reason they have minimum manning is because of ambulance.There's know way that ambulance is making that kind of money.Get rid of ambulance service means getting rid of overtime,and lots of it.
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Wonder if they're on pace for another $2 million dollar overtime bill this year.

The OD will have 1 of their stories this fall into how much overtime the city pays out and to whom it does.
they will take it all

New Britain, CT

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http://www.wktv.com/news/local/Public-Safety-...

Brooks and his merry band will spend every red cent they can get there hands on. there will never be cost savings or anything smaller out of his office for the city FD. The population and assessed evaluation of the city continues to decline....but he continues to preach he needs more more more. Doesn't anyone see the malarky?

There will never be enough money for him. He would accept the millions FDNY gets and still want more. How could any city manager or executive allow him to continually allow this?
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they will take it all wrote:
http://www.wktv.com/news/local /Public-Safety-Chiefs-cutting- overtime-easier-said-than-done -199231021.html
Brooks and his merry band will spend every red cent they can get there hands on. there will never be cost savings or anything smaller out of his office for the city FD. The population and assessed evaluation of the city continues to decline....but he continues to preach he needs more more more. Doesn't anyone see the malarky?
There will never be enough money for him. He would accept the millions FDNY gets and still want more. How could any city manager or executive allow him to continually allow this?
He lives in a make believe world along with his cronies. This guy imagines great visions of grander just like his combat missions in Viet Nam where he never served. Too bad we have had a host of ignorant mayors with no guts to relieve this misfit of his duties. The overtime is the product of the ambulance service. Julian, Roefaro and now Palmieri continue the insanity of a broken city due to their incompetence to govern.
CORNELL MAYE

Wake Forest, NC

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Mar 21, 2013
 
kamakazell wrote:
<quoted text>He lives in a make believe world along with his cronies. This guy imagines great visions of grander just like his combat missions in Viet Nam where he never served. Too bad we have had a host of ignorant mayors with no guts to relieve this misfit of his duties. The overtime is the product of the ambulance service. Julian, Roefaro and now Palmieri continue the insanity of a broken city due to their incompetence to govern.
Kamakazell why do you hate Brooks so much? lighten up we are all nearing our golden age enjoy be happy!
But you are on point with the ambulance service,the city can not
afford it. Hanna knew it was bad for the tax payers wallet and did
not let it happen under his watch. Rob needs to stand up to the union, but for sure the union has political power and it is not easy to go against them. I know they came at me with guns blazing.
But I sleep very well at night because history has now proven I was on the side of the tax payers!lol
wtf???

Utica, NY

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You people have no idea what your talking about as usual. First off fire dept is straight time, not time and a half. Second you know how much money the city has saved on fire dept? There has been almost 20 openings for almost 2 years now. Do you know what the savings have been because of not paying for health care? Around 25000 a man. That's 500,000 a year plus the 1.2 million ambulance brings in. You wonder why 4 different mayors don't want to cut? If 4 different mayors don't think it's a good idea it's prob not. I think they know a little more then you
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CORNELL MAYE wrote:
<quoted text>Kamakazell why do you hate Brooks so much? lighten up we are all nearing our golden age enjoy be happy!
But you are on point with the ambulance service,the city can not
afford it. Hanna knew it was bad for the tax payers wallet and did
not let it happen under his watch. Rob needs to stand up to the union, but for sure the union has political power and it is not easy to go against them. I know they came at me with guns blazing.
But I sleep very well at night because history has now proven I was on the side of the tax payers!lol
YOU ..... on the side of the taxpayer? You are nothing but an egotistical piece of Shit. The only person you were ever concerned about was yourself. Stop patting yourself on the back, the only reason you ever got the job in Utica, was so that the pee=pee toucher Ed Hanna could boss your mahogany ass around.
Freebie the Bean

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Any and all extra money the ambul. service brings in goes to pay for OT in the fire dept. The local pols - Griffo & Brindisi - saw to protecting the amb. service by crafting legislation that allows oootica to keep its amb. service despite great service provided by Kunkel. Then...here's the free twinkies & cupcakes with this deal. A UFD fireman's pension payout is determined in his last few years by the amount of OT they can pad to their pensions while sticking it to the taxpayers. This is a sweetheart deal that is hurting alot of cities and why the NYS Retirement Fund is bankrupting alot of towns & cities.
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Freebie the Bean wrote:
Any and all extra money the ambul. service brings in goes to pay for OT in the fire dept. The local pols - Griffo & Brindisi - saw to protecting the amb. service by crafting legislation that allows oootica to keep its amb. service despite great service provided by Kunkel. Then...here's the free twinkies & cupcakes with this deal. A UFD fireman's pension payout is determined in his last few years by the amount of OT they can pad to their pensions while sticking it to the taxpayers. This is a sweetheart deal that is hurting alot of cities and why the NYS Retirement Fund is bankrupting alot of towns & cities.
Ya your right, all these politicians and city wants to pad the 100 man fire dept pensions. That's the dumbest thing I ever heard!
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Utica, NY

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Utica only needs one fire truck, with two men on it. And one deputy chief. If there is a fire, the one engine can go put it out while the deputy cheif supervises. If one man goes on vacation or calls in sick, then they will run with one man on the engine for that day to cut down on overtime.

This is how other cities do it
Get rid of the Ambulances

Whitesboro, NY

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No ambulances = 6 less men
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Mar 21, 2013
 
Track wrote:
Utica only needs one fire truck, with two men on it. And one deputy chief. If there is a fire, the one engine can go put it out while the deputy cheif supervises. If one man goes on vacation or calls in sick, then they will run with one man on the engine for that day to cut down on overtime.
This is how other cities do it
Hey dummy if you knew the facts then you would of never made a dumb ass suggestion like that NFPA and OSHA regulate the amount of manpower that is needed on a truck and there is a two in two out rule meaning while there is two firefighters in a fire there are two outside waiting just in case something happens and besides who is going to run the truck while the one guy is fighting the fire what happens if those guys get hurt then there are no firefighters to cover and so on think before you post moron.
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Mar 21, 2013
 
[QUOTE who="wtf???"]You people have no idea what your talking about as usual. First off fire dept is straight time, not time and a half. Second you know how much money the city has saved on fire dept? There has been almost 20 openings for almost 2 years now. Do you know what the savings have been because of not paying for health care? Around 25000 a man. That's 500,000 a year plus the 1.2 million ambulance brings in. You wonder why 4 different mayors don't want to cut? If 4 different mayors don't think it's a good idea it's prob not. I think they know a little more then you[/QUOTE]4 different mayors,answer UFD political clout. You just don't get it do you? If so much money is being made where is it?
Well let me shut up! Not my fight anymore, but I have relatives paying their tax bills. god bless you all!!
Freebie the Bean

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Mar 21, 2013
 
[QUOTE who="wtf???"]<quo ted text>
Ya your right, all these politicians and city wants to pad the 100 man fire dept pensions. That's the dumbest thing I ever heard![/QUOTE]

Coming from a typical union slob who is padding his pension or is already collecting his...20 and out...thats the lazy union way.
kamakazell

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CORNELL MAYE wrote:
<quoted text>Kamakazell why do you hate Brooks so much? lighten up we are all nearing our golden age enjoy be happy!
But you are on point with the ambulance service,the city can not
afford it. Hanna knew it was bad for the tax payers wallet and did
not let it happen under his watch. Rob needs to stand up to the union, but for sure the union has political power and it is not easy to go against them. I know they came at me with guns blazing.
But I sleep very well at night because history has now proven I was on the side of the tax payers!lol
First of all I do not hate Brooks, I do not like what he stands for, I served my country in Viet Nam and I do not care for people who try to steal Valor. Secondly I do not like people who exaggerate conditions so they can benefit from less fortunate people and that is what is happening in our city due to our public safety chiefs of the UFD and UPD. I did that job for 20 years and I seen greed and bullshit at its best, and I still remember how you and the administration you worked for handled public safety and to be frank I would not bragg about your watch with Mr. Hanna. Our city has gone down hill for one reason, political nepotism in public safety, bad choices by people who had no credentials to even be in a position to make a choice. Our mayors have been a cancer on a once great City. We should of had City Administrators running our city instead of mayors. Once politics gets in the picture corruption and ignorance takes over. Take a look around Cornell and see what is left of the city of Utica, a depressed area that is in shambles and 24% of its people living in poverty, that is the results of ignorant mayors and their cronies.
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Freebie the Bean wrote:
[QUOTE who="wtf???"]<quo ted text>
Ya your right, all these politicians and city wants to pad the 100 man fire dept pensions. That's the dumbest thing I ever heard!"

Coming from a typical union slob who is padding his pension or is already collecting his...20 and out...thats the lazy union way.
Ok keep complaining about nothing and keep making things up, cause people really believe your nonsense. How bout going and run for a position since you know so much to change things. Oh that's right you have to work for that. Never mind sit behind your computer and complain that's better.
The chief has no clothes

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kamakazell wrote:
<quoted text>First of all I do not hate Brooks, I do not like what he stands for, I served my country in Viet Nam and I do not care for people who try to steal Valor. Secondly I do not like people who exaggerate conditions so they can benefit from less fortunate people and that is what is happening in our city due to our public safety chiefs of the UFD and UPD. I did that job for 20 years and I seen greed and bullshit at its best, and I still remember how you and the administration you worked for handled public safety and to be frank I would not bragg about your watch with Mr. Hanna. Our city has gone down hill for one reason, political nepotism in public safety, bad choices by people who had no credentials to even be in a position to make a choice. Our mayors have been a cancer on a once great City. We should of had City Administrators running our city instead of mayors. Once politics gets in the picture corruption and ignorance takes over. Take a look around Cornell and see what is left of the city of Utica, a depressed area that is in shambles and 24% of its people living in poverty, that is the results of ignorant mayors and their cronies.
Great post Pete. So what do you make of the UFD chief wanting to take over the suburbs? It's about money for sure, but I'm told he is proposing a regional FD. Like a greater Utica thing. I'm thinking he would be king of that operation for sure. Revenue generation to feed the Utica machine is his marching orders, but delusions of greatness is his ultimate goal. It's sad. I hope the suburbs don't fall for the bullshit.
kamakazell

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The chief has no clothes wrote:
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Great post Pete. So what do you make of the UFD chief wanting to take over the suburbs? It's about money for sure, but I'm told he is proposing a regional FD. Like a greater Utica thing. I'm thinking he would be king of that operation for sure. Revenue generation to feed the Utica machine is his marching orders, but delusions of greatness is his ultimate goal. It's sad. I hope the suburbs don't fall for the bullshit.
The suburbs have a great volunteer system, why would they even consider having this guy and Utica providing coverage. Several years ago my motherinlaw had a stoke on thanksgiving day and it took Rescue 1 20 Minutes to respond to my home in southeast utica. The Utica Fire Department considers fire protection secondary to their cash cow the amubulance service. New York Mills, Whitesboro, New Hartford do not need the UFD, they have been providing excellent protection to their residence for years. Brooks better start getting back to the basics in fire protection for Utica and forget about the outskirts. Zecca's idea of a part paid and part volunteer department for Utica has some merrit if it is done with intelligence. Utica tax base is erroding daily and the population of 62000 is pipe dreams, it is more like 50000 and until public safety reorganizes and gets rid of relics like the chiefs in the UFD and UPD Utica will go bankrupt and when that happens all bets are off.
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Mar 21, 2013
 
The new orders from the mayor and council are to get more revenue. With the sham ambulance in place now by a state law maker they will move on to attack whatever cash cows they have there sites on. Maybe they'll get this in pocket legislator to pass a bill to put the volunteers out of business. Lol. Hey with what was steam rolled for the ambulance you never know.

And I agree with the poster above, seems the UFD chief has dreams of being the fire emperor of some huge county department (but under Utica control of course!) The working budget for such a dept will make the total county budget seem like a pittance.
I further see His pic on the wall of legends at multiple county sites and generations of have fire persons will sings songs about his greatness for eons to come.
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Freebie the Bean wrote:
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Coming from a typical union slob who is padding his pension or is already collecting his...20 and out...thats the lazy union way.
. I use to live in that cess pool, but I must say that Hanna did try to keep a lid on public safety and was it not Hanna who cut the compliment. I remember reading in the OD that they discovered a firemen son responsible for a string of arsons. There was something in the papers everyday when Hanna was battling with the UFD. Takes someone with some balls to beat those unions. They will tax you out of house and home.

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