UCSD laying off 18-20 teachers

UCSD laying off 18-20 teachers

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the skippy

Charlestown, MA

#1 Dec 12, 2012
Funny they can lay off more teachers who actually impact students but no mention of any administrators. Lots of dead weight downtown. Told ya utica teachers were not too wise. Way to look out for the teachers Larry (extra health benefits) custadero.
i prefer jiff

Charlestown, MA

#2 Dec 12, 2012
Bitter much? The taxpayers make sacrifices. We all should. Lets take.from those who have and give to those who don't. Oh, wait wrong thread. Teachers can afford to have 35 kids in a classroom.
ron

Utica, NY

#3 Dec 12, 2012
How much money has the district given Elefante over the years? She's getting over $120k as it is. So Angela Elefante earns a million dollars ever 8 years.

What about that money they wrongly gave her and wanted back? She ended up getting a lawyer. Did she keep that money?

They're not in any fiscal crisis if they can continue to employ her. Any crying they do is just crocodile tears. They're using this situation as cover to do what they want if Elefante is worth several million dollars for Utica.

Level 4

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#4 Dec 12, 2012
Who cares? Our education system failed. It's a free meal and socializing hour for students. Parents don't care which makes kids not care which makes it hard for educators to care.

I challenge anyone to go into a Utica school for a day and you will see why these kids don't learn.

Class schedules are a joke. Every kid is at a different level. Kids going in and out of classes for specials while the teacher is teaching core instruction. Kids not listening. Wasting an hour on a one on one computer quiz where most kids guess instead of actually learning something.
duke

Herkimer, NY

#5 Dec 12, 2012
the skippy wrote:
Funny they can lay off more teachers who actually impact students but no mention of any administrators. Lots of dead weight downtown. Told ya utica teachers were not too wise. Way to look out for the teachers Larry (extra health benefits) custadero.
Every time education aid is cut, instead of tightenning the belt like we all have to do in tough times, they threaten to lay off teachers. We are not so nieve as to think that there are not other ways to cut costs and save money. Start cutting at the top where it would give the most bang for the buck.
walk a mile

Utica, NY

#6 Dec 12, 2012
how about those security guards......almost 30 thousand a yr to sit and read the paper and play with their cell phones AFTER they come in from their full time cop jobs ....every school has at least 3 of them usually found within 20 ft of eachother ......great guys but gee ..we cant get anyone to do that for 15 dollars an hr instead of cops getting almost 25 an hr ??
Waste waste waste

Syracuse, NY

#7 Dec 13, 2012
Teachers need to realize the days of getting big bucks for a PART TIME JOB, are over. Yes, 180 days a year is less than the 260 I work, thus making it PART TIME. Part time pay for part time employees.
youre a waste

Carthage, NY

#8 Dec 13, 2012
teachers only ge paid for 180 days a year,not 260. Plus counting your holidays,vacation and other time you dont work 260 days either you clown.If you think its that great being a teacher,go to school,PAY tuition,(thats if you get accepted) and become a teacher. Whats stopping you bennyboy?
Really

Dover, DE

#9 Dec 13, 2012
I bet when you subtract the amount of time you waste on the Internet and for coffee breaks, or just chatting with co-workers, you get down somewhere around 180 days yourself.

Teachers seldom have time for breaks or chatting. Most work straight through, with NY State breathing down their necks legislating their job because people look at them as public servant/babysitters for their kids all day.

Kids come to school with a disrespectful and self-entitled attitude because their parents have chosen to "be their friend" instead of parent, and teachers have to deal with that all day long, all the while trying to teach your child who does no wrong.

When the teacher tries to point out to the parent that perhaps their child is being a disruption in class, more than half the time the parent feels their child is being picked on by the mean teacher.

When a teacher gets to work in the morning, they have to be "on" immediately. There's no time to ease into the day. And, once you're on...you're on....all day long. No stopping. When you're not teaching, you're planning. When you're not planning, you're learning new state regs, when you're not learning new state regs, you're working late, thinking about how you're not making dinner for your own kids, or helping them with THEIR homework. Then, you bring your work home, and work late into the evening. Grading papers, working on report cards, adding comments to report cards.

Most of the time, you go from early in the morning, until very late at night. Oh...and that time off during the summer? It might amount to the same couple of week vacation that you get during the year because yes, teachers who are good at what they do start planning in the summer for what is going to happen when your little angel Johnny/Jane arrives in September, because that planning doesn't happen all by itself. There are bad employees in every career field. Every minute of every day, every minute of every lesson, is accounted for by NY State and under scrutiny of the same. Moreover, funding for your job is tied to your abiding by the rediculous reactionary state educational mandates that exist to keep the uninformed taxpayer happy.

Yeah....teaching is easy. Don't know why more people don't volunteer for this blissful career, especially with the millions of dollars a year teachers make along with ALL that free time.
tell em really

Carthage, NY

#10 Dec 13, 2012
great job
taxpayer

Utica, NY

#11 Dec 13, 2012
What about ralph leo? Jesus,if he f in retired they could hire three new people in his place. The senile old geezer won't let go of the power he has to make life miserable for everyone associated with him. He has to be at least 70 years old.
To Really

Utica, NY

#12 Dec 13, 2012
Really wrote:
I bet when you subtract the amount of time you waste on the Internet and for coffee breaks, or just chatting with co-workers, you get down somewhere around 180 days yourself.
Teachers seldom have time for breaks or chatting. Most work straight through, with NY State breathing down their necks legislating their job because people look at them as public servant/babysitters for their kids all day.
Kids come to school with a disrespectful and self-entitled attitude because their parents have chosen to "be their friend" instead of parent, and teachers have to deal with that all day long, all the while trying to teach your child who does no wrong.
When the teacher tries to point out to the parent that perhaps their child is being a disruption in class, more than half the time the parent feels their child is being picked on by the mean teacher.
When a teacher gets to work in the morning, they have to be "on" immediately. There's no time to ease into the day. And, once you're on...you're on....all day long. No stopping. When you're not teaching, you're planning. When you're not planning, you're learning new state regs, when you're not learning new state regs, you're working late, thinking about how you're not making dinner for your own kids, or helping them with THEIR homework. Then, you bring your work home, and work late into the evening. Grading papers, working on report cards, adding comments to report cards.
Most of the time, you go from early in the morning, until very late at night. Oh...and that time off during the summer? It might amount to the same couple of week vacation that you get during the year because yes, teachers who are good at what they do start planning in the summer for what is going to happen when your little angel Johnny/Jane arrives in September, because that planning doesn't happen all by itself. There are bad employees in every career field. Every minute of every day, every minute of every lesson, is accounted for by NY State and under scrutiny of the same. Moreover, funding for your job is tied to your abiding by the rediculous reactionary state educational mandates that exist to keep the uninformed taxpayer happy.
Yeah....teaching is easy. Don't know why more people don't volunteer for this blissful career, especially with the millions of dollars a year teachers make along with ALL that free time.
And you have enough time to write all of this while you're teaching ..... what a shame!!!!!
Really

Dover, DE

#13 Dec 13, 2012
I'm actually not a teacher. But, I know enough personally and spend enough time with one in particular to see what they go through.

It's no easy job. What I wrote was my own personal observation of what one particular teacher I know goes through.
Waste waste waste

Syracuse, NY

#14 Dec 13, 2012
They might only get paid for 180 days, which makes their hourly rate ridiculous. Rght, weve heard it all...disrespectful kids, correcting tests at home...blah, blah, blah. If you're correcting tests at home you have Zero time-management skills. All teachers have free periods every day. Teachers get the same holidays that other workers get except for the summer ones. Yeah its hard to get a 1000 your SATs, and maintain a 2.0 avg and coast through SUNY Oswego, between time spent at Bucklands and The Woodshed.

Everything I needed to know in life, I learned myself. High school doesnt prepare you for college. You learn how to study when you get there.

Make a disparaging comment about a teacher, and they all get bent out of shape. The truth hurts, doesnt it ? I have friends that are teachers and they acknowledge the fact that they have it made. Of course, they have 15-20 years on the job and dont have to worry about layoffs.

I should have been a gym teacher....kickball every freaking day....yesssssss !!!
HEY TOTAL WASTE

Carthage, NY

#15 Dec 13, 2012
Too bad you couldnt afford to go o college and more importantly than that to bad you couldt get accepted. So have fun with your DPW career. Someonehas to do it,it mind as well be.
There

United States

#16 Dec 13, 2012
Here is what we know, our public education system failed. Why do we keep up this charade? Because it buys votes and voters. What is the alternative? Privatization of education. Why do we keep up this charade? Because that DOESN'T but votes and voters.

Teaching and any public union is a means to give your family a better life, not to make you and your famoly rich.

And that Masters you get is the equivalent of a 6 year high school education. Funny when real degrees require real thinking and real hardship to grasp real knowledge, not just showing up and regurgitating what you heard on a report. Love when people say "if you think it's so easy.". That's pathetic, it is easy and that's why you picked it as a profession. If you did it for teaching, you'd go somewhere else and teach for less in a private school. Again, pathetic.
Waste waste waste

Syracuse, NY

#17 Dec 13, 2012
Exactly. Wy do you think they fight charter schools so vehemently. Teachers and administrators know they will have success and more and more student will go there, causing more layoffs for the teachers leeching off the public dime.

Why dont you teachers have some integrity and admit that you teach for yourself and to support your lifestyle. You dont teach because of some divine calling. Its a paycheck. A damn good one, especially in this area.
jealousy

Carthage, NY

#18 Dec 13, 2012
will get you nowhere. Now this person who calls themself there,one has to feel sorry for a poor sole like that.This person actually has theignoranceto call a masters degree a 6 yr high school diploma. Only someoe who is JEALOUS would say something so ridiculous. Only someone who is JEALOUS would complain about teachers actually working for a living to put food on their table for their family. Can yu imagine that? Teachers earning a living so they could by groceries,cloth their children,support their spouses,pay national grid and oter utility bills,pay for college education and all other needsof their children and family.You mean to tell me teachers are not working to earn money to pay for your bills and households? HOW DARE THEM!YOU friggin moron get back under the rock you crawled out from under. ou need to get a backhand. You need to get a backhand in front of your kids,thats what you need you stupid tub of shit.
Truth

Herkimer, NY

#19 Dec 13, 2012
Really wrote:
I'm actually not a teacher. But, I know enough personally and spend enough time with one in particular to see what they go through.
It's no easy job. What I wrote was my own personal observation of what one particular teacher I know goes through.
If you aren't a teacher then how can you possibly know what a teacher experiences every day in the detail you've given? It doesn't make sense. You wrote as if you were giving a frst person account.

Are you the child of a teacher and this is what mom tells you?
Did you read about it in a teachers union magazine?
Are you a bartender at a place that teachers frequent?

Just so you know, workers in other professions would have to do an awful lot of chatting and coffee drinking to get down the the teacher work year. Let's do the math.

I went to the UCSD website and counted the days that school is in session. I included all in service days. I come up with 183 days.
http://www.uticacsd.org/calendars/District-Ca...
Feel free to do your own count.
I am almost certain that teachers are allowed an amount of sick/personal time during the school year but for this exercise let's not count that.

In the private sector the standard work year is 260 days (2080 hours). That's 52 weeks x 5 days x 8 hours. Let's be very generous and say that the average employee gets 4 weeks vacation time. That's much higher than the actual average but let's use it anyway. That's 20(4 x 5) days so now we are down to 240 days. Now let's subtract for federal holidays. Not all private sector employees get all of the federal holidays off but let's count them all anyway.
New Year's Day
MLK Birthday
President's Day
Memorial Day
4th of July
Labor Day
Veteran's Day
Thanksgiving
Christmas
Let's add a floater to make it an even 10 days. That means we are down to 230 days. Now let's say that the average private sector employee gets 2 weeks sick/personal time. Again that is likely much higher than the real number. Subtract another 10 days but let's use it anyway. Final count: 220 days.

What that means is that when you compare the work year of the average employee in any other field, even when you inflate the averages and don't count all the days teachers get off, the average worker works more than 5 weeks more a year than a teacher does. This isn't opinion. It's math and like I said, that's an awful lot of chatting and coffee drinking. That is of course if we accept the assertion that teachers don't chat or drink coffee at work.
hey truth

Carthage, NY

#20 Dec 13, 2012
I saw you today. You didnt sa hello.I see you are at it again. You know! Bashing teachers. I hope someone doesnt start to bash,and I mean BASH the truth!

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