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need input answers

Utica, NY

#1 Apr 24, 2012
can a convicted felon in nys own or possess a shotgun, rifle, etc? who knows what the laws are for nys? under certain circumstances can they? the felonies are for prior grand larceny and burglary..thanks!

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#2 Apr 24, 2012
All people should be able to own weapons, it's your first amendment right! This includes murderers and child molesters and the criminally insane and children.

And all people should be able to own mortars and machine guns and grenades too!

It's what the founding fathers wanted.
nyfirearms

Lake Placid, NY

#3 Apr 25, 2012
need input answers wrote:
can a convicted felon in nys own or possess a shotgun, rifle, etc? who knows what the laws are for nys? under certain circumstances can they? the felonies are for prior grand larceny and burglary..thanks!
Any felony conviction is an automatic disqualifier for owning a firearm in nys. nyfirearms.com has all the info.
need input answers

Utica, NY

#4 Apr 25, 2012
nyfirearms: thank you!
yank

Cortland, NY

#5 Apr 25, 2012
10 years 10,000 dollar fine under federal law as well..
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New York, NY

#6 Apr 25, 2012
nyfirearms wrote:
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Any felony conviction is an automatic disqualifier for owning a firearm in nys. nyfirearms.com has all the info.
Wrong. It depends on what felony they were convicted of and whether or not the court they were sentenced in will allow them to own firearms. I know of some people convicted of low level felonies who can still own hunting rifles and shotguns and obtain hunting licenses.

In short, a felony conviction is NOT an automatic disqualifier.
Gov William J LePetomane

Albany, NY

#7 Apr 25, 2012
A felony *IS* an automatic disqualifier.

http://www.atf.gov/publications/download/p/at...
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New York, NY

#8 Apr 25, 2012
Gov William J LePetomane wrote:
A felony *IS* an automatic disqualifier.
http://www.atf.gov/publications/download/p/at...
Wrong, again. It is a disqualifier for LICENSED handgun ownership NOT hunting rifles and shotguns.
Criminals always

Clifton Park, NY

#9 Apr 25, 2012
NO- Should not be allowed any rights.
Gov William J LePetomane

Albany, NY

#10 Apr 25, 2012
Wrong wrote:
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Wrong, again. It is a disqualifier for LICENSED handgun ownership NOT hunting rifles and shotguns.
It doesn't say anything about handguns. It says "firearms". Rifles and shotguns are firearms, and felons aren't allowed to own them without securing (expensive) special permissions to have ownership and voting rights restored.
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New York, NY

#11 Apr 25, 2012
Gov William J LePetomane wrote:
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It doesn't say anything about handguns. It says "firearms". Rifles and shotguns are firearms, and felons aren't allowed to own them without securing (expensive) special permissions to have ownership and voting rights restored.
Yet the DEC says otherwise. There are no permits needed for hunting guns.
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New York, NY

#12 Apr 25, 2012
BTW, a convicted felon's voter rights are automatically restored in NYS once their sentence has been completed, including any parole and post release supervision. That is in NYS law.
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New York, NY

#13 Apr 25, 2012
Gov William J LePetomane wrote:
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It doesn't say anything about handguns. It says "firearms". Rifles and shotguns are firearms, and felons aren't allowed to own them without securing (expensive) special permissions to have ownership and voting rights restored.
If you know how to read, look at this:

http://www.nyclu.org/files/Have%20You%20Ever7...
Getouttahere

Utica, NY

#14 Apr 25, 2012
you won't know, til you go to gander mt, or herb philipsons and apply for one....they will call the government and run a background check on you.....if the government says no, then they will not sell it to you because you have priors.

My guess is, you will be denied due to your prior history....but hey, you can always buy a squirt gun....or buy one illegally from a private sale...but then if you get caught, you will be going away for a very long time.
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New York, NY

#15 Apr 25, 2012
Getouttahere wrote:
you won't know, til you go to gander mt, or herb philipsons and apply for one....they will call the government and run a background check on you.....if the government says no, then they will not sell it to you because you have priors.
My guess is, you will be denied due to your prior history....but hey, you can always buy a squirt gun....or buy one illegally from a private sale...but then if you get caught, you will be going away for a very long time.
There is no licensing of long guns and private sales are legal.

Admit you are wrong and move on.
Ex gander gun guy

Utica, NY

#16 Apr 25, 2012
You go to any FFL'd gun shop and they will have you fill out a 4473. The question(11.c): Have you ever been convicted in any court of a felony, or any other crime, for which the judge could have imprisoned you for more than one Year, even if YOU received a shorter sentence including probation?
The answer is a cut and dried: YES or NO.
So as a note the convicted crime is not just a felony, but could also include some misdemeanors...because some do have sentences greater than 1-year. AND by way of a plea bargain your crime could be plead down from a felony to a misdemeanor, but you get sentenced to a year and a day.

One other thing:
Lying on this form is a felony and can be punished by up to five years in prison in addition to fines, even if the transaction is simply denied by NICS. You may want to have your eggs in arow before you even fill out the form.
You can call NICS as there may be an error, but that is not usually the case.... so tell the truth. Also the Old NICS card is absolutely useless.
Wrong

New York, NY

#17 Apr 25, 2012
Ex gander gun guy wrote:
You go to any FFL'd gun shop and they will have you fill out a 4473. The question(11.c): Have you ever been convicted in any court of a felony, or any other crime, for which the judge could have imprisoned you for more than one Year, even if YOU received a shorter sentence including probation?
The answer is a cut and dried: YES or NO.
So as a note the convicted crime is not just a felony, but could also include some misdemeanors...because some do have sentences greater than 1-year. AND by way of a plea bargain your crime could be plead down from a felony to a misdemeanor, but you get sentenced to a year and a day.
One other thing:
Lying on this form is a felony and can be punished by up to five years in prison in addition to fines, even if the transaction is simply denied by NICS. You may want to have your eggs in arow before you even fill out the form.
You can call NICS as there may be an error, but that is not usually the case.... so tell the truth. Also the Old NICS card is absolutely useless.
Wrong again. No single misdemeanor carries a sentence greater than one year. Only felonies do.
Getouttahere

Utica, NY

#18 Apr 25, 2012
Wrong wrote:
<quoted text>
There is no licensing of long guns and private sales are legal.
Admit you are wrong and move on.
I never said anything about a license dummy.....I said gander or herbs or k&k will call the government or fbi or whoever it is they call, to run a background check on the applicant.

Once they see any prior felonies, i'm sure they won't allow that person to own a gun for the fun of it.....i'm sure there is a special law that might allow some to own a gun.....but cmon, a prior felon with burglary charges wants to buy a gun now that the person record is clean.....and is supposedly rehabilitated? GTFOH.....I bet once that person gets a gun in hand, that person will start thinking about burglaries again....and I hope he burglarizes your home you goofball.

And if the government or whoever is allowing prior felons to legally buy and own rifles and long guns....then this world is more F'd up than you are.
Getouttahere

Utica, NY

#19 Apr 25, 2012
Ex gander gun guy wrote:
You go to any FFL'd gun shop and they will have you fill out a 4473. The question(11.c): Have you ever been convicted in any court of a felony, or any other crime, for which the judge could have imprisoned you for more than one Year, even if YOU received a shorter sentence including probation?
The answer is a cut and dried: YES or NO.
So as a note the convicted crime is not just a felony, but could also include some misdemeanors...because some do have sentences greater than 1-year. AND by way of a plea bargain your crime could be plead down from a felony to a misdemeanor, but you get sentenced to a year and a day.
One other thing:
Lying on this form is a felony and can be punished by up to five years in prison in addition to fines, even if the transaction is simply denied by NICS. You may want to have your eggs in arow before you even fill out the form.
You can call NICS as there may be an error, but that is not usually the case.... so tell the truth. Also the Old NICS card is absolutely useless.
Yea what he said! Dummies!
Wrong

New York, NY

#20 Apr 25, 2012
If one bothered to read the instruction for the 4473, one would have seen this pertaining to 11 c.

EXCEPTION to 11.c, and 1J.i.: A person who has been convicted of a
felony. or any other crime, for which the judge could have imprisoned the
person for more than one year, or who has been convicted of a misdomeanor
crime of domestic violence, is not prohibited from purchasing. receiving. or
possessing a firearm if:(I) under the law of the jurisdiction where the
conviction occurred, the person has been pardoncd, the conviction has bcen
expunged or set aside, or the person has had thoir civil rights (the right to vote.
sit on a jury. and hold public o(ficej taken away and later testored AND (2)
the person is not prohibited by the law of the jurisdiction where the conviction
occurred from receiving or possessing firearms. Persons subject to this
exception should answer "no" to II.e. or II.i., as applicable.

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