CYO Basketball ruined...thanks Boys and Girls Club

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Utica, NY

#1 Jan 17, 2013
Because the Boys and Girls clubs were included in the CYO program and the leaders of the B&G Clubs didn't inform CYO that they included gang members, the eighty year old CYO basketball program has folded.
noo

Whitesboro, NY

#3 Jan 17, 2013
it has not, games will resume as scheduled.
Dont tell lies on here
Parent

Syracuse, NY

#4 Jan 17, 2013
As I have stated repeatedly about this... they should enforce the same rules they used to. You have to belong to a parish to play for that parish.
When I played, if you mouthed off to a coach, the coach threw you up against the locker. Today, these kids say whatever they feel like with no consequences. When you go to a game and are worried for your son's safety, you have no choice but to cancel the games. Absolute shame. But, again, Utica breeds animals. Who teaches these kids this stuff ?
watch

Utica, NY

#5 Jan 17, 2013
noo wrote:
it has not, games will resume as scheduled.
Dont tell lies on here
You have no idea what you post.
Done

Utica, NY

#6 Jan 17, 2013
The league season has been cancelled out of fear for the safety of the kids. The city will authorize overtime for cops to direct traffic at Aud events, but they can't put 2 or 3 officers at a sporting event at a city owned facility.
Nice job Palmieri.
Just another reminder that we're on our own and the police are nothing more than revenue generators and paperwork bitches after something goes down.
Pay if U Wanna Play

Utica, NY

#7 Jan 17, 2013
Done wrote:
The league season has been cancelled out of fear for the safety of the kids. The city will authorize overtime for cops to direct traffic at Aud events, but they can't put 2 or 3 officers at a sporting event at a city owned facility.
Nice job Palmieri.
Just another reminder that we're on our own and the police are nothing more than revenue generators and paperwork bitches after something goes down.
Are you serious? You can't blame anybody but the league organizers who failed to screen out the low life element and relaxed the membership rules. On top of that, why should tax dollars be used for security? Stop expected the government to be your babysitter.
watch

Utica, NY

#8 Jan 17, 2013
Done wrote:
The league season has been cancelled out of fear for the safety of the kids. The city will authorize overtime for cops to direct traffic at Aud events, but they can't put 2 or 3 officers at a sporting event at a city owned facility.
Nice job Palmieri.
Just another reminder that we're on our own and the police are nothing more than revenue generators and paperwork bitches after something goes down.
Add the city'sYouth Bureau to those responsible for this fiasco. Another nail in the city coffin.
Done

Utica, NY

#9 Jan 17, 2013
Pay if U Wanna Play wrote:
<quoted text> Are you serious? You can't blame anybody but the league organizers who failed to screen out the low life element and relaxed the membership rules. On top of that, why should tax dollars be used for security? Stop expected the government to be your babysitter.
The Rec Center charged admission to CYO games. So they do pay to play. Not looking for the government to babysit anybody! I'm looking for the Police to do what they are supposedly paid to do and that is to protect citizens from crime. No argument on the relaxed rules for the CYO, but unless you're going to run a criminal background check on everyone involved, there's no way to weed out the undesirables. Also, there are many kids that don't have criminal backgrounds that are involved in the league. It's up to the Police to protect anyone and everyone who is within the city limits ESPECIALLY at a city owned building that is sponsoring events and charging admission. That's not babysitting, that's common sense. Obviously you don't have any.
watch

Utica, NY

#11 Jan 17, 2013
Clint Muldare wrote:
<quoted text>EVERYONE tells lies on here!
Another lame brain. League ruined, blame b&g clubs putting gang members on CYO teams, supported by city youth bureau. Watch and see the truth.
help

Utica, NY

#12 Jan 17, 2013
Done wrote:
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The Rec Center charged admission to CYO games. So they do pay to play. Not looking for the government to babysit anybody! I'm looking for the Police to do what they are supposedly paid to do and that is to protect citizens from crime. No argument on the relaxed rules for the CYO, but unless you're going to run a criminal background check on everyone involved, there's no way to weed out the undesirables. Also, there are many kids that don't have criminal backgrounds that are involved in the league. It's up to the Police to protect anyone and everyone who is within the city limits ESPECIALLY at a city owned building that is sponsoring events and charging admission. That's not babysitting, that's common sense. Obviously you don't have any.
The police do their job. So many problems in Utica probably need more police. this city is becoming another NYC
afraid

Utica, NY

#13 Jan 17, 2013
help wrote:
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The police do their job. So many problems in Utica probably need more police. this city is becoming another NYC
Police were alerted to trouble prior to incident, refused to enter bldg. Mayor stated they would have to be paid to protect.
Mrs paul

Newark, NY

#14 Jan 17, 2013
afraid wrote:
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Police were alerted to trouble prior to incident, refused to enter bldg. Mayor stated they would have to be paid to protect.
the price of admission should be 11 bucks and then you get 10 of it back when youl leave. If you don't have it, you don't get in.
s ybbob

Syracuse, NY

#15 Jan 17, 2013
Mrs paul wrote:
<quoted text> the price of admission should be 11 bucks and then you get 10 of it back when youl leave. If you don't have it, you don't get in.
do i have to pay back the money i got in advance for the league or can i keep it. the city probably forgot by now.
Stupid

Utica, NY

#16 Jan 17, 2013
help wrote:
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The police do their job. So many problems in Utica probably need more police. this city is becoming another NYC
That poster was responding to the idiot that accused him of expecting the government to babysit because he said it was the Police's job to protect citizens. It's already known that the Police had fair warning that there was going to be gang trouble at the Rec center that night and their response was to "have a car patrolling in the area that night" instead of having officers stationed at the center to try and avoid trouble. But I guess because there were gang members there, the safety of the people who weren't trouble makers didn't matter to the Police or the Mayor.
abc

Utica, NY

#17 Jan 18, 2013
Pay if U Wanna Play wrote:
<quoted text> Are you serious? You can't blame anybody but the league organizers who failed to screen out the low life element and relaxed the membership rules. On top of that, why should tax dollars be used for security? Stop expected the government to be your babysitter.
You said it well.
AAZ

Syracuse, NY

#18 Jan 18, 2013
It's too bad that a few kids ruined the season for everyone. Having coached in the league for six years, I can say that it doesn't matter if it's a parishioner or non-parishioner but rather the boy himself. Unfortunately, several of my kids have gotten in trouble outside of CYO. It came as a shock to me because in my presence they were good kids.
I took in a game this year at the Rec. Ctr. and you could see players warming up for games harassing players on the court. In my opinion, some of the control should come from the coaches. It's a sad fact that not all the kids have a lot of parental involvement but to put the blame on allowing community teams to partake in CYO is silly.
Back when I played and first started coaching, there were two divisions: parish and community. I thought giving all the kids a place to play was a great idea. Why leave kids out just because they are not Catholic?
However, over the years, CYO turned into an extension of the Dick Miller league where the majority of kids were from the "community", not the parish. No one person or organization is to blame, rather it's been a snowball effect of letting little things go year after year until it all culminated into a disaster.
Could it have been prevented? Yes. But hopefully they can learn from what happened and start up the league again and give all the kids a safe place to get together and play.
urmomma

New Hartford, NY

#19 Jan 18, 2013
Had nothing to do with the boys and girs club. It was the staff that tried to break the fight up. The fight was a high school gang fight. The boys and girls club was closed that night due to the cyo basketball game.
Good Point

Utica, NY

#20 Jan 18, 2013
I'm in the same boat as a former player, then coach and couldn't agree more; to blame one team alone is insane. The reason CYO moved to a more "community" based league as opposed to a "parish" one is that churches were closing every year and being able to field enough players was no longer an option. I would hope the league bounces back with a solution/guidelines to overcome this problem. The people that organize and run the league, along with the coaches, VOLUNTEER their time, patience and knowledge. They are great people with the best intentions at heart. Also, to AAZ, if I'm guessing your initials correctly you were one of best coaches the league had for a while- not only because your squad was ALWAYS well prepared but you had the respect of teenagers while still being quite young yourself.
AAZ wrote:
It's too bad that a few kids ruined the season for everyone. Having coached in the league for six years, I can say that it doesn't matter if it's a parishioner or non-parishioner but rather the boy himself. Unfortunately, several of my kids have gotten in trouble outside of CYO. It came as a shock to me because in my presence they were good kids.
I took in a game this year at the Rec. Ctr. and you could see players warming up for games harassing players on the court. In my opinion, some of the control should come from the coaches. It's a sad fact that not all the kids have a lot of parental involvement but to put the blame on allowing community teams to partake in CYO is silly.
Back when I played and first started coaching, there were two divisions: parish and community. I thought giving all the kids a place to play was a great idea. Why leave kids out just because they are not Catholic?
However, over the years, CYO turned into an extension of the Dick Miller league where the majority of kids were from the "community", not the parish. No one person or organization is to blame, rather it's been a snowball effect of letting little things go year after year until it all culminated into a disaster.
Could it have been prevented? Yes. But hopefully they can learn from what happened and start up the league again and give all the kids a safe place to get together and play.
Yo MTV raps

Worcester, MA

#21 Jan 18, 2013
urmomma wrote:
Had nothing to do with the boys and girs club. It was the staff that tried to break the fight up. The fight was a high school gang fight. The boys and girls club was closed that night due to the cyo basketball game.
the old adage rang true: if they can't fk it or steal it, they ruin it. In this case, the season.
Wacko

Enfield, CT

#22 Jan 18, 2013
Cops shouldn't have to be at a CYO basketball game. This is a youth event just like little league or AYSO soccer. Imagine police presence there. Act like human beings and we wouldn't have to have this discussion.

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