Ex Utican

Utica, NY

#73 May 1, 2014
I really hope you are right. You got quite a job ahead.
Solar Powered Riggies

Clifton Park, NY

#74 May 1, 2014
Ex Utican wrote:
I can't believe this is 4 pages. What don't you people understand? GTF OUTTA THERE...LEAVE...ITS A TOILET...NO ITS NOT GOING TO GET BETTER
Very true words.
Riggies Make meat A balls

Clifton Park, NY

#76 May 1, 2014
Democretins Ruin CNY wrote:
<quoted text>"noisy high traffic area"?
Have you SEEN that area? It's like the Ukrane. Please. I wouldn't worry about the Woodstock size crowds! Utica is a rust belt ghost town. I don't know what's funnier........ A bunch of racists and clueless NY tax victims living in a rat hole in your words "plight" or the parasite politicians and Friends & Family Plan retard "leaders" and officials they keep voting for!
I'd STFU if I were you or they'll send a felon woman beater Brindisi on the utica city payroll after you. LOOOOOOL!
East chutica is gorgeous! Lol!
Truth

Utica, NY

#77 May 2, 2014
Stop Being Self Centered wrote:
<quoted text>
Man, you are biased against the people and the Local businesses. The planning board and Brian Thomass should have done some market research for the East Utica location. They should have also considered the surrounding homes and the kids who go to the playground and soccer fields. Why doesn't our city government think about maximizing profits and minimizing losses for these locally owned businesses? They are at risk of losing business and laying off workers because of this. And what about the money that the people over there have invested in their homes? They will have losses, too. You are the only one who doesn't feel the emotional impact because it doesn't affect you personally.
I'm not biased against the people and local businesses. I am for a non-emotional, realistic look at this situation.

In most cases like this government weighs the good of the many against the needs and wants of the few. If the people who have the power over zoning feel that the best interests of the general public will be served by having a Stewart's then they will decide that way. If they feel that a Stewart's in that location would be a detriment to the area they will decide that way.

As far as laying people off goes, that's the way competition works. If Stewart's offers something better then those local businesses should be thinking about ways to maintain their current customers and get new ones rather than trying to keep competitors away. I'm sure that Kmart on Rte 5 in New Hartford would have liked to keep Walmart out. When Walmart came I'm sure jobs were lost at Kmart. That's the way these things work.
NH cupcake face

Nashua, NH

#78 May 2, 2014
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not biased against the people and local businesses. I am for a non-emotional, realistic look at this situation.
In most cases like this government weighs the good of the many against the needs and wants of the few. If the people who have the power over zoning feel that the best interests of the general public will be served by having a Stewart's then they will decide that way. If they feel that a Stewart's in that location would be a detriment to the area they will decide that way.
As far as laying people off goes, that's the way competition works. If Stewart's offers something better then those local businesses should be thinking about ways to maintain their current customers and get new ones rather than trying to keep competitors away. I'm sure that Kmart on Rte 5 in New Hartford would have liked to keep Walmart out. When Walmart came I'm sure jobs were lost at Kmart. That's the way these things work.
This is just he kind of thinking that has given this area raw sewage floating by in the Mohawk River, the highest sales tax in the state and annual storm water run off from over development and sprawl. The amazing thing is that you are likely a local politician and you think that you are some kind of fair minded genius! Reality is that you are just another parasite who will crap on the locals as long as you can make a living off it.
Bad Morning

Glen Head, NY

#79 May 2, 2014
It's Utica Sh*tstock 2014!
Self centered

Utica, NY

#80 May 2, 2014
Stop Being Self Centered wrote:
<quoted text>
Man, you are biased against the people and the Local businesses. The planning board and Brian Thomass should have done some market research for the East Utica location. They should have also considered the surrounding homes and the kids who go to the playground and soccer fields. Why doesn't our city government think about maximizing profits and minimizing losses for these locally owned businesses? They are at risk of losing business and laying off workers because of this. And what about the money that the people over there have invested in their homes? They will have losses, too. You are the only one who doesn't feel the emotional impact because it doesn't affect you personally.
You are the definition of self centered.
NH cupcake face

Lowell, MA

#81 May 2, 2014
Self centered wrote:
<quoted text>
You are the definition of self centered.
That's right! So called" economic development" at any cost. 100 family farm in Marcy? Boom! Its gone and now it's an empty field waiting for a Nano factory that will never come. Storm water run off flooding in New Hartford? No problem! Larry Adler will have his Hampton Inn. Economic development must move forward! High taxes on home owners while Adler's Hampton Inn pays NO taxes? Too bad peasants! Economic development must be paramount. Heck even raw, hot carp floating in the Mohawk River is no obstacle to economic development!
hey

Tampa, FL

#82 May 2, 2014
Your mother owes it she uses it as a w h o r e house
Sun is shining

Glen Head, NY

#83 May 2, 2014
Feces in the river and streams. Mmmmmm.
Stewarts and Riggies

Clifton Park, NY

#84 May 2, 2014
A convenience store is not economic development.
NH cupcake face

Cobleskill, NY

#85 May 2, 2014
Stewarts and Riggies wrote:
A convenience store is not economic development.
Perhaps not but to Tony Picenti and Oneida County Politicians hot carp floating in the Mohawk River and Storm Water flooding is economic development!
Dead Downtown and Riggies

Clifton Park, NY

#86 May 2, 2014
NH cupcake face wrote:
<quoted text>
Perhaps not but to Tony Picenti and Oneida County Politicians hot carp floating in the Mohawk River and Storm Water flooding is economic development!
meat A balls!
Truth

Utica, NY

#87 May 2, 2014
NH cupcake face wrote:
<quoted text>
This is just he kind of thinking that has given this area raw sewage floating by in the Mohawk River, the highest sales tax in the state and annual storm water run off from over development and sprawl. The amazing thing is that you are likely a local politician and you think that you are some kind of fair minded genius! Reality is that you are just another parasite who will crap on the locals as long as you can make a living off it.
Are you kidding?

I am not a politician. I work strictly in the private sector. the same private sector that is being strangled by the public sector.

The reason we have the highest taxes in the state is that New York is a nanny state that never met a social program or a union it didn't like. This entire state runs on emotion instead of objective common sense. Thinking that business is somehow responsible for people's well being is that type of thinking. Businesses exist to supply goods/services, operate within the confines of existing law and make money for their owners. They are not a social service. they don't exist to protect the environment or to create jobs or to provide a particular standard of living for their employees. Many businesses see value in being good to the communities they exist in, but it isn't mandatory. They exist to make money.

As far as the runoff and other environmental issues, you need to look to the NYSDEC(and other government agencies) for the answer to that. It is the responsibility of the NYSDEC to protect the interests of the citizens of the state of New York. Given the ultimate goal of any business (which is to maximize profits), business will do all it can to achieve that goal. Those two are often at odds but it is the NYSDEC who in the end has the ultimate say on what gets built, what doesn't and how it can operate.
Truth

Utica, NY

#88 May 2, 2014
NH cupcake face wrote:
<quoted text>
That's right! So called" economic development" at any cost. 100 family farm in Marcy? Boom! Its gone and now it's an empty field waiting for a Nano factory that will never come. Storm water run off flooding in New Hartford? No problem! Larry Adler will have his Hampton Inn. Economic development must move forward! High taxes on home owners while Adler's Hampton Inn pays NO taxes? Too bad peasants! Economic development must be paramount. Heck even raw, hot carp floating in the Mohawk River is no obstacle to economic development!
Where were the government agencies who are supposed to be protecting the interests of the citizens? It is their responsibility, not the businesses/business people.
Canal Feces and Riggies

Clifton Park, NY

#89 May 2, 2014
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you kidding?
I am not a politician. I work strictly in the private sector. the same private sector that is being strangled by the public sector.
The reason we have the highest taxes in the state is that New York is a nanny state that never met a social program or a union it didn't like. This entire state runs on emotion instead of objective common sense. Thinking that business is somehow responsible for people's well being is that type of thinking. Businesses exist to supply goods/services, operate within the confines of existing law and make money for their owners. They are not a social service. they don't exist to protect the environment or to create jobs or to provide a particular standard of living for their employees. Many businesses see value in being good to the communities they exist in, but it isn't mandatory. They exist to make money.
As far as the runoff and other environmental issues, you need to look to the NYSDEC(and other government agencies) for the answer to that. It is the responsibility of the NYSDEC to protect the interests of the citizens of the state of New York. Given the ultimate goal of any business (which is to maximize profits), business will do all it can to achieve that goal. Those two are often at odds but it is the NYSDEC who in the end has the ultimate say on what gets built, what doesn't and how it can operate.
It's hard to reason with people in a region that are used to government handouts...whether it's social services or government jobs. They have a sense of entitlement.
City Loans and Riggies

Clifton Park, NY

#90 May 3, 2014
Arguing over a convenience store. Lololololololol!!!!
Moon Halfmoons

Utica, NY

#91 May 4, 2014
Halfmoons and Riggies wrote:
Still arguing about a convenience store I see.
If you don't like it why do you read and respond to this part of the forum???!!!

Get a life.

If this isn't important to you get out of here. It is important to some people, and you shouldn't try to trivialize their feelings.
E Utica stewarts JobLoss

Utica, NY

#92 May 4, 2014
Stewarts and Riggies,You are right! A convenience store is not economic development.This

stewarts will create about 4 jobs. If it goes on Culver ave the businesses

there will suffer losses and only God knows how many people working there will LOSE their

jobs. Between Parkway Pizza, Marlog, Subway, Grande's Ice cream, and their pizzeria, and

the Nice and Easy, and Dari-Del, a number of jobs will probably be lost. And it will

most certainly be more than the 4 or so that this big stewarts will create!

Stewarts, a non-local business, is the one who will be making the money. Utica's local

business owners and their employees who are citizens of this community will take a big hit.

This is called ECONOMIC DEVOLVEMENT.

Let's have some foresight here. Do the math.
E Utica stewarts JobLoss

Utica, NY

#93 May 4, 2014
Putting the stewarts in West Utica will create some jobs. No competition to wipe out there. East Utica is a bad idea for this stewarts to go to for many reasons as I stated in the post above.

Our planning board, the mayor and the common council should represent the people of this city. If they vote for stewarts in East Utica instead of West Utica they are representing stewarts instead!

The people of Utica will not forget this on election day.

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