Who owns "the" property on Culver Ave...
UticaSucks

Utica, NY

#51 Apr 30, 2014
Palmieri is getting rich by being mayor. He takes huge payouts by all or he shits on you. Don't you people get it? He was a loser when elected and now he has found a way to steal money from you all. He is as corrupt as it comes. He and the owner of the culver ave location had a deal with STEWARTS WHICH WOULD OF GIVEN THE MAYOR A BIG PAYDAY. The owner of the site runs the boilermaker, enough said.
Job Fairs and Riggies

Clifton Park, NY

#52 Apr 30, 2014
Still arguing about a convenience store?
Frustrated Neighbor

Utica, NY

#53 Apr 30, 2014
Stewart's must rezone in order to go on the corner of Culver, Monroe and Allen. This means the city administration must be on board with either Stewarts or the residents. I agree with Mayor is deceiving you. There is a lot to this that neither the OD or city administration wants to let out (as made apparent today by the pathetic OD "our opinion piece" that lobbies for Stewarts in East Utica on Culver Ave. Do we really have to desrtoy a residentially zoned neighborhood for Stewarts when there are vacant, already appropriately zoned locations? Something is wrong with this picture. The Culver, Allen and Monroe site is zoned for low traffic, not high traffic. This is why the city government needs to pass the auto overlay on that site and change residential property to commercial zoning.
E Utica speaks

Utica, NY

#54 Apr 30, 2014
This entire Stewarts situation is ridiculous. As many here on this thread have made clear, Palmeri and mass media are working together to give Stewarts whatever they want, despite the fact that peoples' homes (many of them saved their whole lives to purchase and care for these houses) will be affected in adverse ways. Why take a quiet residential neighborhood and rezone it? Why convert sidestreets of Allen and Monroe into commercially zoned property? Makes no sense. There are definite pay offs here. This is clearly the bigger issue. I hope that our city representatives will put an end to this strong arming by Stewarts, the mayor, and the Boilermaker people.
HOME MADE GIRL

Utica, NY

#55 Apr 30, 2014
Who ever it is they weren't raised in cornhill and feed by obamna.
E Utica speaks

Utica, NY

#56 Apr 30, 2014
What are you saying, Home Made Girl? Is this an outside Stewarts driven job iniflicted on E Uticans?
Truth

Utica, NY

#57 May 1, 2014
JusticeDefiled13501 wrote:
So none of you think that this is a financial decision made by Stewarts to make a profit? You honestly think that Stewarts choosing East Utica over West Utica has something to do with the Boilermaker. Why? What does Stewarts owe the mayor? If Stewarts thought they could make a larger profit by building in West Utica they would do it. You people are so hell-bent to find corruption you are inventing it. I am definitely not a fan of the mayor but this is way off base. I think it would be easier to find corruption with the group that is opposing this. Maybe some of the businesses in the area are influencing this debate. Letís face it; they have more to lose than the home-owners in the area.
This is exactly right.
Stewart's is a business.
Businesses exist to make money.

When choosing a location for any business like this there is market research that takes place. Traffic counts and demographic studies to name a few. Stewart's is going to want to locate where they can maximize profits and minimize losses based on the results of those studies.

Stop making it emotional. It's not. It's business.
Truth

Utica, NY

#58 May 1, 2014
UticaSucks wrote:
Palmieri is getting rich by being mayor. He takes huge payouts by all or he shits on you. Don't you people get it? He was a loser when elected and now he has found a way to steal money from you all. He is as corrupt as it comes. He and the owner of the culver ave location had a deal with STEWARTS WHICH WOULD OF GIVEN THE MAYOR A BIG PAYDAY. The owner of the site runs the boilermaker, enough said.
"enough said"?
Not really.

You of course have proof of everything you've said right?
That being the case I think it is your responsibility as a citizen of this region and the state of New York to call the New York State Attorney General's office, arrange to turn over all of you evidence and then to cooperate fully in any subsequent investigation. Thank you fellow citizen for your wisdom and for your help in fighting the never ending battle against corruption!

But, if you are just another Cliff Clavin type spouting off about things you really know nothing about then disregard the previous paragraph. Enough said.
Halfmoons and Riggies

Clifton Park, NY

#59 May 1, 2014
Still arguing about a convenience store I see.
Truth

Utica, NY

#60 May 1, 2014
Halfmoons and Riggies wrote:
Still arguing about a convenience store I see.
This is Utica.
Where we celebrate the ordinary.
Too Many Riggies

Clifton Park, NY

#62 May 1, 2014
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
This is Utica.
Where we celebrate the ordinary.
That's true.
Truth

Utica, NY

#63 May 1, 2014
Bobby Oliveira wrote:
To those who believe this is about a "convenience store" -
May I suggest something else. It's about Mayoral power. If he can't deliver for Stewart's, who can he deliver for??
Give me this set of facts and a decent Mayor - Stewart's would already be selling ice cream in West Utica with the search for an East Utica location ongoing.
I'm guessing by the fact that Stewart's has 330 locations and over $1.5 billion in annual sales that they are pretty good at choosing locations that will make them money. I also think that if they thought there was money to be made in West Utica then that is where they would be regardless who the mayor is or was.
Represent the People

Utica, NY

#64 May 1, 2014
The argument is not just about a convenience store. Rise above it--- it is about caring for our fellow citizens as human beings. It is about our mayor and planning board and common council listening to the people that this convenience store will directly affect. It is about them doing the right thing for the people.

If they didn't want to go against the people's wishes and best interests of the people in that neighborhood they would not be pressing the issue to put a Stewarts convenience store on Culver Ave., now would they?
Mayor is Uncompasssionate

Utica, NY

#65 May 1, 2014
Frustrated Neighbor wrote:
Stewart's must rezone in order to go on the corner of Culver, Monroe and Allen. This means the city administration must be on board with either Stewarts or the residents. I agree with Mayor is deceiving you. There is a lot to this that neither the OD or city administration wants to let out (as made apparent today by the pathetic OD "our opinion piece" that lobbies for Stewarts in East Utica on Culver Ave. Do we really have to desrtoy a residentially zoned neighborhood for Stewarts when there are vacant, already appropriately zoned locations? Something is wrong with this picture. The Culver, Allen and Monroe site is zoned for low traffic, not high traffic. This is why the city government needs to pass the auto overlay on that site and change residential property to commercial zoning.
The city administration is certainly not on board with the residents of the Culver Ave area! they show no compassion for the citizens.
They did not promote west utica with stewarts convenience store there either.
The only compassion this mayor is showing is for stewarts and what they want!
Mayor Favors Stewarts

Utica, NY

#66 May 1, 2014
E Utica speaks wrote:
This entire Stewarts situation is ridiculous. As many here on this thread have made clear, Palmeri and mass media are working together to give Stewarts whatever they want, despite the fact that peoples' homes (many of them saved their whole lives to purchase and care for these houses) will be affected in adverse ways. Why take a quiet residential neighborhood and rezone it? Why convert sidestreets of Allen and Monroe into commercially zoned property? Makes no sense. There are definite pay offs here. This is clearly the bigger issue. I hope that our city representatives will put an end to this strong arming by Stewarts, the mayor, and the Boilermaker people.
I agree. We should recognize the plight of these people who will have their neigborhood changed to a noisy high traffic area that is not zoned for this. That was not the deal when they purchased their homes. These are not rich people. Stewarts is rich, and they can go and make their money in a place that is already zoned for them to move into. There sure are payoff issues here! Is Palmieri getting richer from this? The people in the Culver avenue area are not going to get any richer from another convenience store there, and the businesses already there are not going to get any richer with more competition in that area.
So it's obvious who is going to make money off of the deal going through.
Rigatoni is Riggies

Clifton Park, NY

#67 May 1, 2014
Represent the People wrote:
The argument is not just about a convenience store. Rise above it--- it is about caring for our fellow citizens as human beings. It is about our mayor and planning board and common council listening to the people that this convenience store will directly affect. It is about them doing the right thing for the people.
If they didn't want to go against the people's wishes and best interests of the people in that neighborhood they would not be pressing the issue to put a Stewarts convenience store on Culver Ave., now would they?
Shouldn't the mayor be considering the benefit of the city and not just one street of people. These people act like they live out in the middle of the woods somewhere. Culver ave is pretty heavily traveled as is. Too bad for them.
Stop Being Self Centered

Utica, NY

#68 May 1, 2014
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
This is exactly right.
Stewart's is a business.
Businesses exist to make money.
When choosing a location for any business like this there is market research that takes place. Traffic counts and demographic studies to name a few. Stewart's is going to want to locate where they can maximize profits and minimize losses based on the results of those studies.
Stop making it emotional. It's not. It's business.
Man, you are biased against the people and the Local businesses. The planning board and Brian Thomass should have done some market research for the East Utica location. They should have also considered the surrounding homes and the kids who go to the playground and soccer fields. Why doesn't our city government think about maximizing profits and minimizing losses for these locally owned businesses? They are at risk of losing business and laying off workers because of this. And what about the money that the people over there have invested in their homes? They will have losses, too. You are the only one who doesn't feel the emotional impact because it doesn't affect you personally.
U R Being Self Centered

Utica, NY

#69 May 1, 2014
Rigatoni is Riggies wrote:
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Shouldn't the mayor be considering the benefit of the city and not just one street of people. These people act like they live out in the middle of the woods somewhere. Culver ave is pretty heavily traveled as is. Too bad for them.
You are not too deep. You can buy ice cream elsewhere, and you can travel to West Utica to get gas.
UPD Lawsuits and Riggies

Clifton Park, NY

#70 May 1, 2014
U R Being Self Centered wrote:
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You are not too deep. You can buy ice cream elsewhere, and you can travel to West Utica to get gas.
So why should the citizens of west utica be subjected to a gas station? Are you better than them?
Ex Utican

Utica, NY

#71 May 1, 2014
I can't believe this is 4 pages. What don't you people understand? GTF OUTTA THERE...LEAVE...ITS A TOILET...NO ITS NOT GOING TO GET BETTER

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