Occupy Utica
Wants better

Utica, NY

#268 Oct 12, 2011
Asking wrote:
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If you had a clue you would realize that this "movement" has become a joke. Any credibility that it may have started with is gone. There is probably one newsperson for every protester now. Anarchists, Socialists, Communists, Unions........ No stated goals except to say that the people who have the most money are greedy.
If I am wrong please explain it to me. Please tell me what this is about. 1% of the people have most of the wealth. I get that. What is it that is to be gained by this?
Not all of us are like you and thankful and ecstatic to have correction officer jobs and and nascar parties.
Mike Jones

New Hartford, NY

#269 Oct 12, 2011
Wants better wrote:
<quoted text>Not all of us are like you and thankful and ecstatic to have correction officer jobs and and nascar parties.
I'm thankful for a firm grasp of the English language, as it helps me to insult people and not look like a fool while doing so.

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#270 Oct 12, 2011
This is from the OWS website. It gives a view into the mindset of some of the protesters.

1.Demand FULL DEMOCRACY by replacing capitalism with democracy. Democracy is a system of freedom and equality, the exact opposite of capitalism's system of privilege and class. Equality means equal votes, equal treatment under the law and economic democracy means equal ownership and equal pay for equal effort.
If everyone was paid equally, we would get paid $127,000 per year. Everyone would be wealthy. There would be virtually no social problems.

Since democracy is a big change, here are some transitional demands:

1.CITIZEN DIVIDEND: Make income tax a flat 50% on all income, no deductions. After you pay for govt expenses, use the remaining to pay every adult a $40,000 per year dividend as their share of the planet nature gave to humanity. That will reduce inequality, permanently end poverty and solve nearly every social problem we have.

2.FREE CREDIT: Give every citizen access as a right to the Federal Reserve discount window so that they can get a zero interest mortgage for a home or car regardless of credit. This will cut your mortgage in half.

3.SALARIED EDUCATION: Not only should education be free, students should be paid an income while they get educated. Education is an investment, not a consumption item, so students should be paid a salary to get trained.

4.FULL TRANSPARENCY: Make society fully transparent by requiring full disclosure of all private and public sector information and data in a central database so you have the same level of access to an organization's data as its CEO gets.

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#271 Oct 12, 2011
Here's another one:

WEALTH CAP: Congress should inact a law regulating the accumulation of wealth called a wealth cap. A stock broker told me that her goal is to earn $800,000 a year. I suggested to her that if she earned that amount then the minimum wage should be raised to $80,000 a year. It is my view that the gap between the maximum wage and the minimum wage should not be more than ten. Similarly physical wealth is limited. It is not GOD. So a cap on the accumulation of wealth is necessary so as not to jeopardize the welfare of the many for the obsessive compulsive few.
holdno

Worcester, MA

#272 Oct 12, 2011
JusticeDefiled13501 wrote:
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If this is actually what the movement was about, I would support you 100%. However, that is not what I’m hearing from the protesters in New York. They are demanding the dismantling of the financial and corporate structure of the country. They are calling for the confiscation and redistribution of wealth in America. Their demands are much more radical than just being heard.
I though we had no direction.
Do They Get It

United States

#273 Oct 12, 2011
If that doesn't scream Socialism. Do you think the "followers" can grasp this? I didn't think so.

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#274 Oct 12, 2011
And another:

1.The immediate and total dismantling of the existing State, the dissolution of the existing Constitution and the drafting of a new one.
2.The smashing of the old bureaucratic and institutional appendages attached to the old order.
3.The establishment of international ties with similar organizations and movements in the other advanced industrial nations of the world -- the European states, Russia, Turkey, Japan. The total smashing of the state apparatus in each of these countries and the formation of a globalized social movement.
4.The systematic extirpation of capital as the basic category of social reproduction, and the self-conscious organization of all society.

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#275 Oct 12, 2011
And another:

As I said before, ever since the CIA killed JFK (Gerald Ford was on Warren Commission, Ronald Reagan was on the Rockefeller Commission on CIA Activities in the US, which whitewashed CIA involvement, Bush Sr. was head of CIA)... all presidents were selected by the plutocrats and corporations found loopholes in the laws to fund elections. Ending corporate personhood (one of the most popular "demands" for OWS) will change little or nothing. ABOLISH MONEY!
Mike Jones

New Hartford, NY

#276 Oct 12, 2011
holdno wrote:
<quoted text>I though we had no direction.
Everyone has a direction, it just amounts to whether you are headed in the right or wrong direction. Now we can see what socialism is called these days, Democracy. Democracy is a political system not an economic system. These people have now crossed the line into wackiness. This is playing out like Michael Moore's document Capitalism: A Love Story. This movement and that movie are one and the same. Way to borrow your talking points from the biggest doucher on the planet.(not you personally but the movement)
holdno

Worcester, MA

#277 Oct 12, 2011
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/10/07/do-... even your friends at fox think were right. Lol

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#278 Oct 12, 2011
And another:

I think it would be great if the government would supplement an "indebted minimum wage". For example, if I'm earning $9/hour and have a ton of debt, I also earn $11/hour in debt forgiveness for a total of $20/hour as your effective minimum wage. This should be an especially easy thing for Congress to support if people's debt is from student/federal loans. Credit cards or medical bills might be a more difficult thing for them to pass. The point is, it isn't a "handout" or money for nothing - it actually doubles my incentive to work hard and pays off loans that would otherwise have crippled people for many years to come.
Or Maybe

United States

#279 Oct 12, 2011
Borrowers could be more fisaclly responsible and pay their own debt.

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#280 Oct 12, 2011
I love this one:
1) Indict the previous administra­­tion for war crimes OR extradite them to The Hague.
2) Indict the bankers/fi­­nanciers for racketeeri­­ng and securities fraud, preferably under RICO.
3) Establish laws for pay equity, and raise tariffs on goods from countries without similar laws. Business taxes could progressively increase for companies who continually pay disproportionately.
47) Raise taxes and cut wasteful spending to completely eliminate the national debt, and institute laws to maintain a marginal surplus.
9) Make the punishment for corporate crimes meaningful - steep fines and/or nationaliz­­e the corporatio­­ns.
10) Reform education, increase teacher compensati­on, and decrease funding for non-academ­ic purposes in schools.
13) End the war on drugs.
14) Establish a federal law requiring all government meetings to be recorded, and available to any citizen that passes the requisite security/background clearance. Failure to record a meeting would be considered an act of insurrection.
16) Remove first-amendment protection for verifiable false information.
17) Establish laws preventing representatives from willfully sabotaging programs through cutting funding, staffing, and/or ability to function without a vote equal or greater proportions that established the program.
19) End all military actions in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya until the Senate votes whether to continue (with a clear objective) or draw down (with a specific timeline).
20) Reform public education including - Raising teachers compensation to a graduated model that is no less than the average income of the community, and is competitive with other career fields that require similar education and on-going maintenance.- Establish laws to fine states and imprison leaders that take education funding, but use it for other things.
21) Restrict government involvement in marriages to only the contractual terms, and revoke all laws (federal and state) that restrict people's civil rights.
22) Revoke tort restrictions
23) Officially legalize abortions for rape, incest, and at-risk pregnancies, and give states the ability to choose an non-restrictive process that allows women the ability to petition for abortion in other situations.
24) Require states or municipalities to allow people to petition for suicide, and not punish doctors for assisting.
25) Revoke tax-free status on all "religious organizations" that display a history/trend of politicizing or promoting certain candidates and/or proposition.
26) Reverse legislation that allows oil/gas prices to be set by futures market, and/or eliminate securities trading within institutions that are governed by the SEC.

Since: Jul 11

United States

#281 Oct 12, 2011
What is wrong with you people. Hope you all can swim because that bullshit about corporations keeping you down is getting deep. Where are the jobs going to come from (your ass?) That's the only thing left here. So go piss on a fire you'll have more luck with that.

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#282 Oct 12, 2011
How about if we forget about the Occupy Wall Street movement for a while and start an Occupy Main Street movement? Instead of making demands on Wall Street we should make demands on ourselves.

We could demand;

We take personal responsibility for our own choices. Instead of demanding higher wages, work to improve our education and skills to make ourselves more desirable to employers.

We take personal responsibility for our families. Treat your spouse and children with respect. Spend time with them. Lead by example.

We take personal responsibility for our children. Demand that they do better in school, be more physically active, treat people with respect and become productive adults.

We take personal responsibility for our properties. Mow our lawns, shovel our snow, rake our leaves, paint our houses…

We take personal responsibility for or government. Vote. Attend board meetings. Become more aware of what or representatives are doing. Become politically active.

We take personal responsibility for our finances. Stop spending more than we earn. Take care of necessities before purchasing luxuries.

We take personal responsibility for our health. Lose weight. Stop smoking. Get some exercise. Eat properly.

We take personal responsibility for our environment.

We take personal responsibility for our communities. Attend church, volunteer, help your neighbors…

The first step in becoming a better nation is to become better citizens. Change the things you have control over first; yourselves and your actions. Then you can start demanding that others follow your lead.

Since: Jul 11

United States

#283 Oct 12, 2011
holdno wrote:
He will not listen. His mind is closed for repair.
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Asking

Raleigh, NC

#284 Oct 12, 2011
nitwit wrote:
<quoted text>Really, I'm with you. Do nothing that's the way to express yourself. Angry people speaking out pisses me off. We are so on the same page.
No, you misunderstand. I'm all for doing something. My ideas about what should be done are just wildly different from the Occupy people. I think anyway. To be sure though I need to know what they want. I am wondering what people at these events are "doing", that's all. I told you I get it. People are angry. What is the goal? What would the Occupy people have happen? That's all I want to know.
Asking

Raleigh, NC

#285 Oct 12, 2011
JusticeDefiled13501 wrote:
How about if we forget about the Occupy Wall Street movement for a while and start an Occupy Main Street movement? Instead of making demands on Wall Street we should make demands on ourselves.
We could demand;
We take personal responsibility for our own choices. Instead of demanding higher wages, work to improve our education and skills to make ourselves more desirable to employers.
We take personal responsibility for our families. Treat your spouse and children with respect. Spend time with them. Lead by example.
We take personal responsibility for our children. Demand that they do better in school, be more physically active, treat people with respect and become productive adults.
We take personal responsibility for our properties. Mow our lawns, shovel our snow, rake our leaves, paint our houses…
We take personal responsibility for or government. Vote. Attend board meetings. Become more aware of what or representatives are doing. Become politically active.
We take personal responsibility for our finances. Stop spending more than we earn. Take care of necessities before purchasing luxuries.
We take personal responsibility for our health. Lose weight. Stop smoking. Get some exercise. Eat properly.
We take personal responsibility for our environment.
We take personal responsibility for our communities. Attend church, volunteer, help your neighbors…
The first step in becoming a better nation is to become better citizens. Change the things you have control over first; yourselves and your actions. Then you can start demanding that others follow your lead.
You nailed it! Those are the things that made the US the greatest country that has ever existed.
Come on man

Syracuse, NY

#286 Oct 12, 2011
You are making the claim that 99% are oppressed. I showed government stats showing a number of people in the 99% make north of 500k a year. There are certainly many millionaires in the "99%".

I simply asked you to show us what your point was by using the numbers. Your comment showed that you can't. We can move on.
holdno wrote:
<quoted text>Thats the best you can do when you prove me right and you were wrong. SWEET
Come on man

Syracuse, NY

#287 Oct 12, 2011
What are they doing? They are protesting an empty park in a run-down downtown.
Asking wrote:
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No, you misunderstand. I'm all for doing something. My ideas about what should be done are just wildly different from the Occupy people. I think anyway. To be sure though I need to know what they want. I am wondering what people at these events are "doing", that's all. I told you I get it. People are angry. What is the goal? What would the Occupy people have happen? That's all I want to know.

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