Utica: New York State's Dumping Ground

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The politicians can tell you what they want while enjoying Heath care benefits and the future prospect of a lucrative retirement pension. But, the fact remains, Utica continues to be New York State's dumping ground for immigrants, prisoners, the mentally ill and all other free loaders looking for a hand out. As a result, wages are kept low and those who have been here their entire life find themselves surrounded by a constant barrage of negativity. Nobody is going anywhere in Utica. There is still some generational wealth that remains as those folks seem to be the cheerleaders for what once was.

This is the new Utica, a cesspool of filth, scum and garbage riddled by years of corruption and a media with its own agenda. The armpit of Central New York is alive and well as the trash continues to pile up. With a county sales tax rate of almost 9% and over 110,000 seeking social services benefits in 2012, everyone of our public officials should resign. This is not about the people, it never was, it's about self-enrichment for those within the system.

They should all be proud of their accomplishments. They've raped, pillaged and plundered. They've all lied. People have been mislead. Who's going to rise up and bite the hand that feeds them? No one. There is no one left that matters. Those stuck here need to get out fast while they can!

Let the red sign serve as a sure warning to those passing by. But for those seeking handouts at the expense of the working class, Utica is a gold mine of garbage waiting to be explored. It's sickening and disgusting. I don't fault those who have stayed and become public servants for the sake of their own survival, but they have now become part of the problem, rather than the solution. Bankruptcy won't happen for a while. Once the older more affluent die off...the blind taxpayers who still reminisce about Utica's once glory days....it's gonna crumble hard. Sit back and watch or plan your exodus if you desire better. Either way, the end is coming soon and it won't be pretty for anyone.
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Very sobering expose'

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The politicians can tell you what they want while enjoying Heath care benefits and the future prospect of a lucrative retirement pension. But, the fact remains, Utica continues to be New York State's dumping ground for immigrants, prisoners, the mentally ill and all other free loaders looking for a hand out. As a result, wages are kept low and those who have been here their entire life find themselves surrounded by a constant barrage of negativity.
This is the new Utica, a cesspool of filth, scum and garbage riddled by years of corruption and a media with its own agenda. The armpit of Central New York is alive and well as the trash continues to pile up. With a county sales tax rate of almost 9% and over 110,000 seeking social services benefits in 2012, everyone of our public officials should resign. This is not about the people, it never was, it's about self-enrichment for those within the system.
They should all be proud of their accomplishments. They've raped, pillaged and plundered. They've all lied. People have been mislead. Who's going to rise up and bite the hand that feeds them? No one. There is no one left that matters. Those stuck here need to get out fast while they can!
Let the red sign serve as a sure warning to those passing by. But for those seeking handouts at the expense of the working class, Utica is a gold mine of garbage waiting to be explored. It's sickening and disgusting. I don't fault those who have stayed and become public servants for the sake of their own survival, but they have now become part of the problem, rather than the solution. Bankruptcy won't happen for a while. Once the older more affluent die off...the blind taxpayers who still reminisce about Utica's once glory days....it's gonna crumble hard. Sit back and watch or plan your exodus if you desire better. Either way, the end is coming soon and it won't be pretty for anyone.
I really pity those of you who try to blame all your problems on something other the choices you have made in the past. Look around you. There are plenty of us that are living successful, happy, contented lives here in Utica. We are the ones who worked hard, studied hard and fought hard for what we have. We didnít expect the world to hand us what we wanted, we worked for it. Go online and read newspapers from other small towns and cities in this country. They all have stories about crime and corruption. They are all fighting high taxes and bad politicians. The problems you describe are not unique to Utica, Oneida County or New York State. Look at cities like Gary Indiana, Flint Michigan, Allentown Pennsylvania, etcÖ Most of the cities in the ďRust BeltĒ are suffering the same economic conditions we are.
The biggest problem we face in Utica is the fear of change. Everyone complains that things are bad but we fight every new idea or initiative proposed. I constantly hear people complaining; the arterial sucks but when the state proposes changes to it people fight it, the auditorium is a dump but when the state gives us money to fix it people complain. Why are people in this area so afraid of new ideas? Why all the negativity? There two main reasons ideas donít succeed; the fear of failure and the fear of success. We need to stop living in fear.
We also need to stop blaming our failures on other people. If you donít like the way politicians are running your city, elect new ones. If you donít like the way things are being done, get active, get involved and change things. Someone once said; if you arenít part of the solution, you are part of the problem. Stop waiting for somebody else to make you happy. Roll up your sleeves and do it yourself.
Or you can just sit behind your computer, post your ignorant rants on Topix and live your sorry lives in quiet desperation, blaming your problems and failures on everyone else. Itís your decision.

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The politicians can tell you what they want while enjoying Heath care benefits and the future prospect of a lucrative retirement pension. But, the fact remains, Utica continues to be New York State's dumping ground for immigrants, prisoners, the mentally ill and all other free loaders looking for a hand out. As a result, wages are kept low and those who have been here their entire life find themselves surrounded by a constant barrage of negativity. Nobody is going anywhere in Utica. There is still some generational wealth that remains as those folks seem to be the cheerleaders for what once was.
This is the new Utica, a cesspool of filth, scum and garbage riddled by years of corruption and a media with its own agenda. The armpit of Central New York is alive and well as the trash continues to pile up. With a county sales tax rate of almost 9% and over 110,000 seeking social services benefits in 2012, everyone of our public officials should resign. This is not about the people, it never was, it's about self-enrichment for those within the system.
They should all be proud of their accomplishments. They've raped, pillaged and plundered. They've all lied. People have been mislead. Who's going to rise up and bite the hand that feeds them? No one. There is no one left that matters. Those stuck here need to get out fast while they can!
I really pity those of you who try to blame all your problems on something other the choices you have made in the past. Look around you. There are plenty of us that are living successful, happy, contented lives here in Utica. We are the ones who worked hard, studied hard and fought hard for what we have. We didnít expect the world to hand us what we wanted, we worked for it. Go online and read newspapers from other small towns and cities in this country. They all have stories about crime and corruption. They are all fighting high taxes and bad politicians. The problems you describe are not unique to Utica, Oneida County or New York State. Look at cities like Gary Indiana, Flint Michigan, Allentown Pennsylvania, etcÖ Most of the cities in the ďRust BeltĒ are suffering the same economic conditions we are.

The biggest problem we face in Utica is the fear of change. Everyone complains that things are bad but we fight every new idea or initiative proposed. I constantly hear people complaining; the arterial sucks but when the state proposes changes to it people fight it, the auditorium is a dump but when the state gives us money to fix it people complain. Why are people in this area so afraid of new ideas? Why all the negativity? There two main reasons ideas donít succeed; the fear of failure and the fear of success. We need to stop living in fear.

We also need to stop blaming our failures on other people. If you donít like the way politicians are running your city, elect new ones. If you donít like the way things are being done, get active, get involved and change things. Someone once said; if you arenít part of the solution, you are part of the problem. Stop waiting for somebody else to make you happy. Roll up your sleeves and do it yourself.

Or you can just sit behind your computer, post your ignorant rants on Topix and live your sorry lives in quiet desperation, blaming your problems and failures on everyone else. Itís your decision.
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As someone who has lived most of his adult life in Utica, I have to agree with the original poster. Having witnessed 40 years of Utica life, I have heard constant promises of wonderful things to come, but none ever have. On my first day at my new job 40 or so years ago in Utica, I remember a co-worker bluntly asking me "why would you ever move to Utica?" It was an omen of sorts. Utica is the only city I have been to where most of its inhabitants have extremely negative emotions of where they live. The smartest and the brightest have already left. What remains here are those of us who don't want to leave behind our families, our parents, and our ties to this once proud city. But reality is reality. The day will come when we will no longer have a reason to stay. I plan on leaving as soon as I can. I don't like it here. The quality of life here is not what it should be. I look forward to the day when I will summon the Realtor to sell my house and I will head South. Utica, in common terms, sucks!
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I really pity those of you who try to blame all your problems on something other the choices you have made in the past. Look around you. There are plenty of us that are living successful, happy, contented lives here in Utica. We are the ones who worked hard, studied hard and fought hard for what we have. We didnít expect the world to hand us what we wanted, we worked for it. Go online and read newspapers from other small towns and cities in this country. They all have stories about crime and corruption. They are all fighting high taxes and bad politicians. The problems you describe are not unique to Utica, Oneida County or New York State. Look at cities like Gary Indiana, Flint Michigan, Allentown Pennsylvania, etcÖ Most of the cities in the ďRust BeltĒ are suffering the same economic conditions we are.
The biggest problem we face in Utica is the fear of change. Everyone complains that things are bad but we fight every new idea or initiative proposed. I constantly hear people complaining; the arterial sucks but when the state proposes changes to it people fight it, the auditorium is a dump but when the state gives us money to fix it people complain. Why are people in this area so afraid of new ideas? Why all the negativity? There two main reasons ideas donít succeed; the fear of failure and the fear of success. We need to stop living in fear.
We also need to stop blaming our failures on other people. If you donít like the way politicians are running your city, elect new ones. If you donít like the way things are being done, get active, get involved and change things. Someone once said; if you arenít part of the solution, you are part of the problem. Stop waiting for somebody else to make you happy. Roll up your sleeves and do it yourself.
Or you can just sit behind your computer, post your ignorant rants on Topix and live your sorry lives in quiet desperation, blaming your problems and failures on everyone else. Itís your decision.
Fear of change is not Utica's biggest problem.

The biggest problems we face are those that are beyond local control. Running for local office will accomplish nothing. State mandates, forced unionism and over-reaching environmental regulation to name just a few of the things I'm talking about. The costs related to these things affect every county, city, town, village and hamlet in New York State but hurt underperforming places like Utica the most. Without massive systemic reforms on the state level Utica will continue the long and steady decline it has been experiencing for many years. Not negative. Just realistic.
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I really pity those of you who try to blame all your problems on something other the choices you have made in the past. Look around you. There are plenty of us that are living successful, happy, contented lives here in Utica. We are the ones who worked hard, studied hard and fought hard for what we have. We didnít expect the world to hand us what we wanted, we worked for it. Go online and read newspapers from other small towns and cities in this country. They all have stories about crime and corruption. They are all fighting high taxes and bad politicians. The problems you describe are not unique to Utica, Oneida County or New York State. Look at cities like Gary Indiana, Flint Michigan, Allentown Pennsylvania, etcÖ Most of the cities in the ďRust BeltĒ are suffering the same economic conditions we are.
The biggest problem we face in Utica is the fear of change. Everyone complains that things are bad but we fight every new idea or initiative proposed. I constantly hear people complaining; the arterial sucks but when the state proposes changes to it people fight it, the auditorium is a dump but when the state gives us money to fix it people complain. Why are people in this area so afraid of new ideas? Why all the negativity? There two main reasons ideas donít succeed; the fear of failure and the fear of success. We need to stop living in fear.
We also need to stop blaming our failures on other people. If you donít like the way politicians are running your city, elect new ones. If you donít like the way things are being done, get active, get involved and change things. Someone once said; if you arenít part of the solution, you are part of the problem. Stop waiting for somebody else to make you happy. Roll up your sleeves and do it yourself.
Or you can just sit behind your computer, post your ignorant rants on Topix and live your sorry lives in quiet desperation, blaming your problems and failures on everyone else. Itís your decision.
Your points are well taken, however, those who were elected and entrusted with power are to blame. Given a choice, I think the vast majority of those remaining who pay taxes (excluding the non-tax paying voters) would prefer to see the city change and file for bankruptcy. At this point, what is left to be afraid of?
The ones who are scared, are those in public service who are afraid to give something up.

Fortunately, I make a decent living, but in my profession it's difficult to amass any serious wealth by servicing this area. I'm not one to settle for mediocrity. Therefore, I do have a plan. But, you can't blame people like myself and those less fortunate for calling the harsh reality for what it is. A turd is a turd no matter how much you try to dress it up. Sadly, many people here are ignorant and fearful of retaliation etc., when trying to rise above it. People aren't as much afraid of change as they're fearful of the consequences of speaking out in public forums. I could cite one example after another of public officials who have abused their vested authority and power while walking away unscathed. This is happening at all branches of government.

"You can't change the actions of others but you can change your own." My sincere hope is for those who recognize the dire truth of what's happening, they are smart enough to develop an exit strategy before it falls apart.
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Fear of change is not Utica's biggest problem.
The biggest problems we face are those that are beyond local control. Running for local office will accomplish nothing. State mandates, forced unionism and over-reaching environmental regulation to name just a few of the things I'm talking about. The costs related to these things affect every county, city, town, village and hamlet in New York State but hurt underperforming places like Utica the most. Without massive systemic reforms on the state level Utica will continue the long and steady decline it has been experiencing for many years. Not negative. Just realistic.
Very true and precisely why those who see the big picture need to formulate an escape strategy. I wasted countless years sitting on economic revitalization committees etc., which operated under the belief and assumption things were going to change. Wrong! These were nothing more than talk therapy groups and self-enrichment schemes for those who oversaw our efforts. Nothing is coming until bankruptcy is declared statewide. Once the power is restored to the people, free markets will prevail and places like New York State and Utica will flourish. Noticeable change is many years out.
Utica is not to place to build a sky's the limit career!

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I hope you all find your happiness someday. Iím afraid you will someday find that the grass is not greener in the other pasture. There are problems everywhere you go. I was in Hawaii recently and thought it was the most beautiful place on earth. But after talking to the locals I started thinking I was back in Utica. They were complaining about their politicians, the tourists, the high cost of living, etcÖ I hear the same things everywhere I travel. Instead of chasing rainbows, look for happiness wherever you are.
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I hope you all find your happiness someday. Iím afraid you will someday find that the grass is not greener in the other pasture. There are problems everywhere you go. I was in Hawaii recently and thought it was the most beautiful place on earth. But after talking to the locals I started thinking I was back in Utica. They were complaining about their politicians, the tourists, the high cost of living, etcÖ I hear the same things everywhere I travel. Instead of chasing rainbows, look for happiness wherever you are.
Keep trying to put lipstick on the pig. It's still a pig though.
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I hope you all find your happiness someday. Iím afraid you will someday find that the grass is not greener in the other pasture. There are problems everywhere you go. I was in Hawaii recently and thought it was the most beautiful place on earth. But after talking to the locals I started thinking I was back in Utica. They were complaining about their politicians, the tourists, the high cost of living, etcÖ I hear the same things everywhere I travel. Instead of chasing rainbows, look for happiness wherever you are.
"Someday" is here now! People are tired of future promises and putting their lives on hold waiting for "someday" to come around.

When you're young and full of it....you can live for someday. As time passes and you become more mature...you realize the importance of living in the now. People like myself no longer have another 20 years to waste here hoping things will one day change. Perhaps, the current wave of immigrants are better suited for such.

My change is going to happen as a result of specific actions that I need to change. I'm done waiting. I've tried to be part of the solution. This area has done NOTHING for me but create grief and aggravation. The people, the leaders....all of it is one giant pile of crap!
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I hope you all find your happiness someday. Iím afraid you will someday find that the grass is not greener in the other pasture. There are problems everywhere you go. I was in Hawaii recently and thought it was the most beautiful place on earth. But after talking to the locals I started thinking I was back in Utica. They were complaining about their politicians, the tourists, the high cost of living, etcÖ I hear the same things everywhere I travel. Instead of chasing rainbows, look for happiness wherever you are.
Yes, there are good and bad things about anyplace you go. Nowhere is perfect, Nowhere is utopian. Locals that complain can be found in most every city. But none of that is the issue with Utica when you compare hard facts to other areas. Utica is at the bottom. Many of us already have lived in other places, and although these other places have their issues, they are still superior to Utica. Having lived in Syracuse, Tampa, and Atlanta as well as Utica, I can tell you that Utica is the worst place I've lived in. Syracuse is a bit nicer. If I had my choice right now, I would move to Tampa. Atlanta was a wonderful place as well. I've seen the grass in the other pastures, and I can tell you it is greener over there. Better quality of life, happier people, more interesting things to do. There are great restaurants, top notch entertainment, and shopping like you will never find in Utica or Syracuse.
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The politicians can tell you what they want while enjoying Heath care benefits and the future prospect of a lucrative retirement pension. But, the fact remains, Utica continues to be New York State's dumping ground for immigrants, prisoners, the mentally ill and all other free loaders looking for a hand out. As a result, wages are kept low and those who have been here their entire life find themselves surrounded by a constant barrage of negativity. Nobody is going anywhere in Utica. There is still some generational wealth that remains as those folks seem to be the cheerleaders for what once was.
This is the new Utica, a cesspool of filth, scum and garbage riddled by years of corruption and a media with its own agenda. The armpit of Central New York is alive and well as the trash continues to pile up. With a county sales tax rate of almost 9% and over 110,000 seeking social services benefits in 2012, everyone of our public officials should resign. This is not about the people, it never was, it's about self-enrichment for those within the system.
They should all be proud of their accomplishments. They've raped, pillaged and plundered. They've all lied. People have been mislead. Who's going to rise up and bite the hand that feeds them? No one. There is no one left that matters. Those stuck here need to get out fast while they can!
Let the red sign serve as a sure warning to those passing by. But for those seeking handouts at the expense of the working class, Utica is a gold mine of garbage waiting to be explored. It's sickening and disgusting. I don't fault those who have stayed and become public servants for the sake of their own survival, but they have now become part of the problem, rather than the solution. Bankruptcy won't happen for a while. Once the older more affluent die off...the blind taxpayers who still reminisce about Utica's once glory days....it's gonna crumble hard. Sit back and watch or plan your exodus if you desire better. Either way, the end is coming soon and it won't be pretty for anyone.
best thread ever written on topix .read it twice how sad but true
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I hope you all find your happiness someday. Iím afraid you will someday find that the grass is not greener in the other pasture. There are problems everywhere you go. I was in Hawaii recently and thought it was the most beautiful place on earth. But after talking to the locals I started thinking I was back in Utica. They were complaining about their politicians, the tourists, the high cost of living, etcÖ I hear the same things everywhere I travel. Instead of chasing rainbows, look for happiness wherever you are.
More frivolous spending in Hawaii
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<quoted text>Wow, you should write a book.
Thought it was pretty eye opening myself. Can you imagine Morgan Freeman narrating the script about the demise of Utica?
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would love to see this covered by local news outlets.oh yeah they are part of the problem a partner in the cover up.quite probably the biggest problem. Hiding the truth behind bs fluff.
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The politicians can tell you what they want while enjoying Heath care benefits and the future prospect of a lucrative retirement pension. But, the fact remains, Utica continues to be New York State's dumping ground for immigrants, prisoners, the mentally ill and all other free loaders looking for a hand out. As a result, wages are kept low and those who have been here their entire life find themselves surrounded by a constant barrage of negativity. Nobody is going anywhere in Utica. There is still some generational wealth that remains as those folks seem to be the cheerleaders for what once was.
This is the new Utica, a cesspool of filth, scum and garbage riddled by years of corruption and a media with its own agenda. The armpit of Central New York is alive and well as the trash continues to pile up. With a county sales tax rate of almost 9% and over 110,000 seeking social services benefits in 2012, everyone of our public officials should resign. This is not about the people, it never was, it's about self-enrichment for those within the system.
They should all be proud of their accomplishments. They've raped, pillaged and plundered. They've all lied. People have been mislead. Who's going to rise up and bite the hand that feeds them? No one. There is no one left that matters. Those stuck here need to get out fast while they can!
Let the red sign serve as a sure warning to those passing by. But for those seeking handouts at the expense of the working class, Utica is a gold mine of garbage waiting to be explored. It's sickening and disgusting. I don't fault those who have stayed and become public servants for the sake of their own survival, but they have now become part of the problem, rather than the solution. Bankruptcy won't happen for a while. Once the older more affluent die off...the blind taxpayers who still reminisce about Utica's once glory days....it's gonna crumble hard. Sit back and watch or plan your exodus if you desire better. Either way, the end is coming soon and it won't be pretty for anyone.
Truth.
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Truth.
and it is also true that I am a fat rashy azzzzwhole licking moronic freak. Jealous. Lol.

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Thought it was pretty eye opening myself. Can you imagine Morgan Freeman narrating the script about the demise of Utica?
The hardest part would be getting an UNBIASED script

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