notre dame what is going on?
Hey 87 alum

Ithaca, NY

#21 Feb 18, 2014
Question who left that was good on the football team last year? Damn if Devin is recruiting kids which I think not there werent any players to replace they werent that good dont be jealous or envious so exhale!
Concerned

Herkimer, NY

#22 Feb 19, 2014
The posters who continue the tirade to make the situation at ND sound like a football issue are the same group who won't face up to the real problems present.
The underlying basis problematic to ND's future is the administration's subsurviance to the perceived 'elite parents' of students at the school to the detriment of the whole.
Unless and until that issue is faced and resolved, ND will continue its fall into history.
Very sad!
which one

Utica, NY

#23 Feb 19, 2014
Which poster is he ?
70s ND Parent

New Hartford, NY

#24 Feb 19, 2014
Ive been following this thread and I sent both my sons to Notre Dame is the 70s. Both went to Catholic schools K-12.

In addressing the football coach comments.
I don't know this Byron, but I do know Ben Rizzo. He used the same tactics to lure kids to play football at ND during the COL, if anyone on here remembers that league. Tuition was underwritten by sponsors and well-heeled parents. Benny was also known to pitch the mothers of students. If your father worked in the Butchers Union or you he perceived your dad as being a big shot, he and Tony Catrupe made sure you played. It wasn't fair, but that's the way it always was. So nothing has really changed.

With regard to the academics both my sons excelled and were in the ROTC program. Both went onto to college and have successful careers outside the area. The problem is and always has been students who had a learning issue, whether it was ADD or dyslexia etc. They were always left behind. The brothers and sisters were very dedicated to the children yet were unable to diagnose these problems and often punished kids that "just weren't getting it." If your child needed something as simple as a speech therapist, it was on the parent to address that issue off the ND campus. Hindsight being 20/20, if your child excelled he was embraced, if he didn't they were left behind.

I speaking generally here, but in my oldest sons class less than half the students went on to college. I can throw name after name of kids that attended Notre Dame in that era who have gone to prison, drug overdosed, and have gone no where because they were either left behind or cuddled because of who their parents were.

If Notre Dame is the be all end all for given your children the tools and facility to excel in life, the enrollment would be increasing not decreasing. If its aim was to instill higher values and prepare your children for the world, they'd hire the best teachers. None of that seems to be true and the enrollment reflects that.
Facts

Albany, NY

#25 Feb 19, 2014
For all you haters who keep posting about ND going under.. Go to Syracuse.com the new classifications for football are updated for the up and coming season. It shows enrollment numbers.. Only CBA has more students then ND. IHC, Grimes, and Ludden all have less students. How bad is it? These schools above seem to be thriving and still competing with in there classes. Your proof is enrollment is down this year? There has been many years in ND history that enrollment is down there also has been many years that it climbs. It's a private school and all private schools fluctuate.
Aud

Raleigh, NC

#26 Feb 19, 2014
former Jug wrote:
Thats right. Go to notre dame and ask questions if you have an interest in going there. Ask why 2 prominent board members and long time nd supporters resigned. Ask why marion club president resigned and the club that funded scholarship money is folding. Ask why enrollment is at an all time low. Ask why a parent on the board gets upset because his kid didnt get in a game and gets the coach fired. Please by all means stop reading topix and go in that school and ask WHY . im quite sure you will come to the conclusion that this is NOT the place to send your kids. Go ask why a few athletes dont have to pay tuition and are going around town telling other people to come because the principle has to have them just to have a team. Please by all means go and ask .. go ask why their teachers arent certified. Ask if the physical education teacher even went to COLLEGE while public school teachers need master degree and nys certifications. Please ask about the science and math teachers and ask to see their certifications. Ask to see their avg SAT scores. Please people take the advice of these ND supporters. Go and ask
The only thing i will address is the SAT scores , a lot of ND grads have gone on to very good colleges ( to many to list ) so I do have a problem with that statement. The rest is legit , I can see the Marian club going right downhill now that Mr Grace has resigned.don't really know him but heard he has had enogh of the current administration

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#27 Feb 19, 2014
Aud wrote:
<quoted text>The only thing i will address is the SAT scores , a lot of ND grads have gone on to very good colleges ( to many to list ) so I do have a problem with that statement. The rest is legit , I can see the Marian club going right downhill now that Mr Grace has resigned.don't really know him but heard he has had enogh of the current administration
Before you go touting the virtues of private schools you should probably read this:

http://www.bostonglobe.com/ideas/2013/12/15/p...

It seems that privates schools are all there cracked up to be. I have been saying the same thing for years.
fast eddie

Harpursville, NY

#28 Feb 19, 2014
Know a few notre dame scholarship kids .. vinny Winn , Kenny pollard, Phil diperna money well spent to send them to notre dame and within a few years of "graduation" they all got scholarships to the new york dept of corrections. Must be they count prison as 100% going to college
lola

Utica, NY

#29 Feb 19, 2014
fast eddie wrote:
Know a few notre dame scholarship kids .. vinny Winn , Kenny pollard, Phil diperna money well spent to send them to notre dame and within a few years of "graduation" they all got scholarships to the new york dept of corrections. Must be they count prison as 100% going to college
They not only got a free ride at ND, kendrick and a host of others got a free ride at a catholic grammar school starting in kindergarten...he went to holy trinity...they even paid for his school uniforms, supplies, lunch, etc, etc, etc...all that money was flushed right down the toilet
ND Fan

Utica, NY

#30 Feb 19, 2014
JusticeDefiled13501 wrote:
<quoted text>
Before you go touting the virtues of private schools you should probably read this:
http://www.bostonglobe.com/ideas/2013/12/15/p...
It seems that privates schools are all there cracked up to be. I have been saying the same thing for years.
It is hard to make all encompassing statements about anything. If you do the same thing describing people it's called prejudice. Take the schools one at a time for a fair comparison. Compare ND with Proctor for instance.
You also need to realize there are more reasons than the core education and test scores that lead parents to send their kids to a private school.
truth

Whitesboro, NY

#31 Feb 19, 2014
Facts wrote:
For all you haters who keep posting about ND going under.. Go to Syracuse.com the new classifications for football are updated for the up and coming season. It shows enrollment numbers.. Only CBA has more students then ND. IHC, Grimes, and Ludden all have less students. How bad is it? These schools above seem to be thriving and still competing with in there classes. Your proof is enrollment is down this year? There has been many years in ND history that enrollment is down there also has been many years that it climbs. It's a private school and all private schools fluctuate.
the enrollment numbers you are talking about are called BEDS, and count three grade numbers for the fall (the incoming 9th to 11th grades) with average 64 per class or so. Those three particular classes have been filled with many kids that Abraham brought in, whether people want to admit to that or not.
What other posters have been pointing out, is the class below these grades, which is the 7th grade the new kids enrolling in the fall. That grade has about half the others. The open house sign ups were about half what has been normal. NDs administration is very concerned by this trend and has been flinging blame anywhere it can.
And those BEDS numbers were sent into Section 3 in October or November, before ND fired the football coaches. They do not accurately reflect when the numbers are currently, or what they will be in the fall. It's pretty common knowledge many kids have left since the football issue
truth

Whitesboro, NY

#32 Feb 19, 2014
70s ND Parent wrote:
Ive been following this thread and I sent both my sons to Notre Dame is the 70s. Both went to Catholic schools K-12.
In addressing the football coach comments.
I don't know this Byron, but I do know Ben Rizzo. He used the same tactics to lure kids to play football at ND during the COL, if anyone on here remembers that league. Tuition was underwritten by sponsors and well-heeled parents. Benny was also known to pitch the mothers of students. If your father worked in the Butchers Union or you he perceived your dad as being a big shot, he and Tony Catrupe made sure you played. It wasn't fair, but that's the way it always was. So nothing has really changed.
With regard to the academics both my sons excelled and were in the ROTC program. Both went onto to college and have successful careers outside the area. The problem is and always has been students who had a learning issue, whether it was ADD or dyslexia etc. They were always left behind. The brothers and sisters were very dedicated to the children yet were unable to diagnose these problems and often punished kids that "just weren't getting it." If your child needed something as simple as a speech therapist, it was on the parent to address that issue off the ND campus. Hindsight being 20/20, if your child excelled he was embraced, if he didn't they were left behind.
I speaking generally here, but in my oldest sons class less than half the students went on to college. I can throw name after name of kids that attended Notre Dame in that era who have gone to prison, drug overdosed, and have gone no where because they were either left behind or cuddled because of who their parents were.
If Notre Dame is the be all end all for given your children the tools and facility to excel in life, the enrollment would be increasing not decreasing. If its aim was to instill higher values and prepare your children for the world, they'd hire the best teachers. None of that seems to be true and the enrollment reflects that.
You are very accurate in your description of how ND operates, but they now toss out kids who can't keep up (most of those kids aren't paying anyway) so they can say everyone graduates.
One change is, up to this point, the only athletes to get free rides to ND were basketball players. Sister siphons Marion Club $$ to pay for these kids. But now she has been offering free rides to football players now the past couple months, only one accepted.
truth

Whitesboro, NY

#33 Feb 19, 2014
Aud wrote:
<quoted text>The only thing i will address is the SAT scores , a lot of ND grads have gone on to very good colleges ( to many to list ) so I do have a problem with that statement. The rest is legit , I can see the Marian club going right downhill now that Mr Grace has resigned.don't really know him but heard he has had enogh of the current administration
I think if you looked at how many ND kids go to IVY League schools, which is almost never, the statement on low SAT scores would make more sense to you. ND is really lacking in those scores but won't share the info, as opposed to other catholic schools who are very open to share info with prospective families. For example, CBA sends dozens of kids to IVY schools, 3 just from this years football team.
Trust those who been there done that, do not send your kid to ND, its not what you think it is.
Marty

Whitesboro, NY

#34 Feb 19, 2014
fast eddie wrote:
Know a few notre dame scholarship kids .. vinny Winn , Kenny pollard, Phil diperna money well spent to send them to notre dame and within a few years of "graduation" they all got scholarships to the new york dept of corrections. Must be they count prison as 100% going to college
Well there is college courses to take when in the clink, so Sister can justify that 100% thing. I figure Deperna's kid should have a doctorate by the time he gets out.
Aud

Raleigh, NC

#35 Feb 19, 2014
truth wrote:
<quoted text>
I think if you looked at how many ND kids go to IVY League schools, which is almost never, the statement on low SAT scores would make more sense to you. ND is really lacking in those scores but won't share the info, as opposed to other catholic schools who are very open to share info with prospective families. For example, CBA sends dozens of kids to IVY schools, 3 just from this years football team.
Trust those who been there done that, do not send your kid to ND, its not what you think it is.
So the only good colleges are Ivy league schools,?whose to say where these kids even applied. Thats not really a good statement, without knowing where kids applied. Maybe they were accepted but did not want to pay the tuition to one of these schools. Not many kids ANYWHERE get free rides to IVY league schools.
truth

Whitesboro, NY

#36 Feb 19, 2014
Aud wrote:
<quoted text> So the only good colleges are Ivy league schools,?whose to say where these kids even applied. Thats not really a good statement, without knowing where kids applied. Maybe they were accepted but did not want to pay the tuition to one of these schools. Not many kids ANYWHERE get free rides to IVY league schools.
the answer was a response to someone questioning SAT scores at ND verses other schools. Great SAT scores and GPA result in IVY offers. Don't happen much at ND.
Very few great students would turn down an IVY school like Harvard or Yale to go to SU or the like, unless they were an extremely great athlete with lots of offers. Also, many athletes who attend IVYs do not pay for education either, it's called academic scholarship
gddyup

Utica, NY

#37 Feb 19, 2014
ND Fan wrote:
<quoted text>
It is hard to make all encompassing statements about anything. If you do the same thing describing people it's called prejudice. Take the schools one at a time for a fair comparison. Compare ND with Proctor for instance.
You also need to realize there are more reasons than the core education and test scores that lead parents to send their kids to a private school.
The other reason(s) being race. ND has the biggest collection of racists in town gathered together under the pretense of "catholic education"--

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#38 Feb 19, 2014
Aud wrote:
<quoted text> So the only good colleges are Ivy league schools,?whose to say where these kids even applied. Thats not really a good statement, without knowing where kids applied. Maybe they were accepted but did not want to pay the tuition to one of these schools. Not many kids ANYWHERE get free rides to IVY league schools.
Are you saying there are parents who shell out $5000 a year to send their kids to high school but have a problem paying for a good college? If they had sent their kids to public school they could have had a $20,000 down payment for college.

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#39 Feb 19, 2014
ND Fan wrote:
<quoted text>
It is hard to make all encompassing statements about anything. If you do the same thing describing people it's called prejudice. Take the schools one at a time for a fair comparison. Compare ND with Proctor for instance.
You also need to realize there are more reasons than the core education and test scores that lead parents to send their kids to a private school.
Let's compare the two. What does ND offer students that Proctor doesn't? The only course you can get at ND that Proctor doesn't offer is religion. There are dozens of courses Proctor offers that ND doesn't.
certification

Utica, NY

#40 Feb 19, 2014
And all that for free with teachers who actually went to college and have been certified by the state to teach. Have you walked around Nd and looked at some of these teachers...they are dead. They should have been retired ages ago. Keep your money people and take a tour....and talk to the teachers. Dont listen to Jim Jones . Isnt he the guy who made all the people during the koolaide

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