Haters keep hating the Comets. Please!
Level 3

Since: Jul 12

Newington, CT

#22 Jun 20, 2013
Truth wrote:
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I would prefer that those funds had gone back to those who paid the taxes in the form of tax cuts that would make this region more attractive to business. If business propers, we all prosper. When we all prosper, we all have more disposable income for entertainment. When we all have more disposable income for entertainment the hockey fans will demand and be able to pay for hockey without taxpayer subsidy.
If that couldn't be done then I would rather see the funds go to education, infrastructure or any of the other civic necessities that saw cuts in the most recent budget.
its probably a good thing you don't live in Detroit, they want to use 283 million dollars in public funds toward a 650 million dollar rink replacing a 32 year old arena.... and i know detroit has a lot of problems
Utica Is High Tech LOL

Albany, NY

#23 Jun 20, 2013
Truth wrote:
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I would prefer that those funds had gone back to those who paid the taxes in the form of tax cuts that would make this region more attractive to business. If business propers, we all prosper. When we all prosper, we all have more disposable income for entertainment. When we all have more disposable income for entertainment the hockey fans will demand and be able to pay for hockey without taxpayer subsidy.
If that couldn't be done then I would rather see the funds go to education, infrastructure or any of the other civic necessities that saw cuts in the most recent budget.
Yeah. Good luck with that. You honestly believe the state will give back tax money? Good luck in your world buddy. You just got a business with this money that will help your region.
Sticks35

Earlville, NY

#24 Jun 21, 2013
Utica Is High Tech LOL wrote:
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Yeah. Good luck with that. You honestly believe the state will give back tax money? Good luck in your world buddy. You just got a business with this money that will help your region.
well I think its pretty obvious that truth must think hes livinv in a fantasy wirld..he must have a couple screws loose...
Truth

Herkimer, NY

#25 Jun 21, 2013
Utica Is High Tech LOL wrote:
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Yeah. Good luck with that. You honestly believe the state will give back tax money? Good luck in your world buddy. You just got a business with this money that will help your region.
If you look back you will see that I was responding to someone who asked me if I preferred the tax money to go to another community to fund their pet schemes. I do not and that is whay I said what I did.

It is the attitude like yours that says nothing can be done about out of control spending of tax dollars on things like hockey teams that has put New York at the bottom of the US in business friendliness. It's the same attitude that will keep this area from ever really succeeding.
Truth

Utica, NY

#26 Jun 21, 2013
sticks35 wrote:
<quoted text> its probably a good thing you don't live in Detroit, they want to use 283 million dollars in public funds toward a 650 million dollar rink replacing a 32 year old arena.... and i know detroit has a lot of problems
Great example!

Detroit is currently under a control board scenario where elected city officials have no say in financial matters and public sector union contracts have been torn up. This after years of reckless spending and union control. Is that what you want?

Yes, they are building a new arena and using tax breaks (not actual tax dollars from operating funds) to do it. In addition, the lion's share of the cost is being paid with private investment dollars and not actual taxpayer dollars like the $5.25 million here. If you do a little research you'll find that there are a lot of people asking why Detroit is tearing down schools and building sports complexes.

Again, great example of what happens when political special interests get what they want.
Hoo Boy

Holland Patent, NY

#27 Jun 21, 2013
I don't hate the Comets. But its just not the same without Ian Anderson and Indian Joe.
ADK

Waterville, NY

#28 Jun 21, 2013
Truth wrote:
You need to make the distinction between the Comets and using tax money to support the effort.

I don't hate the Comets. I actually like the idea of having an AHL team here. I'm not rooting for them to fail either. I think they eventually willn not because of "haters" but because economic reality will overshadow the "bandwagon effect" we are seeing now.

What I hate is this. I hate the idea of using tax money to support it at a time when the city, county and state are all in debt and raising taxes every year. In a reality based, logical listing of funding priorities an AHL team would have to be fairly low. That's why the whole Aud funding aspect of this was done in secret and then sprung on taxpayers before they had an opportunity to really think about it and respond.
So you would rather have the 5 million in state funding go to another city? That's what would happen if it was not spent on the AUD.
Level 3

Since: Jul 12

Wethersfield, CT

#29 Jun 21, 2013
Hoo Boy wrote:
I don't hate the Comets. But its just not the same without Ian Anderson and Indian Joe.
ian anderson is still around, dont think he would fare very well in todays game....
Level 3

Since: Jul 12

Wethersfield, CT

#30 Jun 21, 2013
ADK wrote:
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So you would rather have the 5 million in state funding go to another city? That's what would happen if it was not spent on the AUD.
and thats the problem with todays political system. its kinda like if we dont give this money to utica, well have to give it to city x or city y. its a use it or loose it mentality. lucky for utice we get to use it. i understand what truth is saying, but im over that.... use it....
Hoo Boy

Holland Patent, NY

#31 Jun 21, 2013
I think that it is a big plus that they had the sense to name this team the Comets. That was a public relations home run. I just hope that they stay for a long time, now that we completely dissed Utica College.
Truth

Utica, NY

#32 Jun 21, 2013
ADK wrote:
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So you would rather have the 5 million in state funding go to another city? That's what would happen if it was not spent on the AUD.
No, I would rather it go back to taxpayers.

Barring that I would rather it go to infrastructure and education.

It only works the way it does because taxpayers allow it to happen.

I don't know what your interests are other than you seem to enjoy hockey. Would you feel the same if that same money was being spent on a new venue for the Players of Utica? How about if the same funding went to the Distance Running Hall of Fame? How about a center for black cultural studies? Would you be in favor of those? I'm asking because there would be plenty of people who would very much in the same way you are for public financing of this AHL hockey scheme.
Truth

Utica, NY

#33 Jun 21, 2013
Hoo Boy wrote:
I think that it is a big plus that they had the sense to name this team the Comets. That was a public relations home run. I just hope that they stay for a long time, now that we completely dissed Utica College.
It is a great name. That name also lends itself well to affiliation changes. Vancouver this year, Calgary next maybe, Then who knows. That's the nature of the AHL though.
Truth

Frankfort, NY

#34 Jun 21, 2013
I like to pee in my pants and sit in them
Utica Is High Tech LOL

Albany, NY

#35 Jun 21, 2013
Truth wrote:
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No, I would rather it go back to taxpayers.
Barring that I would rather it go to infrastructure and education.
It only works the way it does because taxpayers allow it to happen.
I don't know what your interests are other than you seem to enjoy hockey. Would you feel the same if that same money was being spent on a new venue for the Players of Utica? How about if the same funding went to the Distance Running Hall of Fame? How about a center for black cultural studies? Would you be in favor of those? I'm asking because there would be plenty of people who would very much in the same way you are for public financing of this AHL hockey scheme.
And again tax money doesn't get returned. Secondly all of the other examples you just listed do not make money for the region.
Truth

Herkimer, NY

#36 Jun 21, 2013
Utica Is High Tech LOL wrote:
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And again tax money doesn't get returned. Secondly all of the other examples you just listed do not make money for the region.
In successful states the tax money does get returned or is never taken from the citizens in the first place. It only happens here because the people of New York are complacent and/or maybe just don't know any better. In the big picture public financing of schemes like this AHL team is counter productive. If one doesn't see that then one is just very naive.

Those things I mentioned are examples of niche interests just like hockey. They are things that appeal to a narrow slice of the population just like hockey. They too could make the claim that they would bring money and visitors to the area. Just like the Stanley Theater did when they took tax money to pay for the backstage expansion. We all know now how well that (didn't) worked out. This $5.25 million in taxpayer dollars that was given to the Aud with the goal of attracting the AHL (which in the end will enrich only a few people) is just the same recycled scheme we've seen again and again.
Utica Is High Tech LOL

Albany, NY

#37 Jun 21, 2013
Truth wrote:
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In successful states the tax money does get returned or is never taken from the citizens in the first place. It only happens here because the people of New York are complacent and/or maybe just don't know any better. In the big picture public financing of schemes like this AHL team is counter productive. If one doesn't see that then one is just very naive.
Those things I mentioned are examples of niche interests just like hockey. They are things that appeal to a narrow slice of the population just like hockey. They too could make the claim that they would bring money and visitors to the area. Just like the Stanley Theater did when they took tax money to pay for the backstage expansion. We all know now how well that (didn't) worked out. This $5.25 million in taxpayer dollars that was given to the Aud with the goal of attracting the AHL (which in the end will enrich only a few people) is just the same recycled scheme we've seen again and again.
You're forgetting one piece of your conspiracy puzzle. The team WILL make money for the utica region. Lol
Truth

Utica, NY

#38 Jun 22, 2013
Utica Is High Tech LOL wrote:
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You're forgetting one piece of your conspiracy puzzle. The team WILL make money for the utica region. Lol
The team will make money for a few well connected people just like Hotel Utica. That's it.

In a true cost/benefit analysis I just don't see how you can say that the $5.25 million spent on the Aud upgrades/improvements to accommodate this scheme will bring anywhere near that kind of financial benefit. When you start a business you don't truly start to make any money until your startup costs are recovered. After the team has earned a combined $5.25 million for all of the taxpayers who funded it then, and only then will there be a treu profit from this venture. I just don't see that happening any time soon. Don't be fooled or try to fool anyone else. There is no way the Aud gets the $5.25 million in taxpayer money if there is no deal with the AHL.
David Smith

New York, NY

#39 Jun 22, 2013
Utica Is High Tech LOL wrote:
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You're forgetting one piece of your conspiracy puzzle. The team WILL make money for the utica region. Lol
You are correct businesses will be opening all around Utica, filling vacant buildings and paying property taxes just because we now have an AHL team. The Chip Plant announcement is soon. Go Comets!!
Truth

Utica, NY

#40 Jun 22, 2013
David Smith wrote:
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You are correct businesses will be opening all around Utica, filling vacant buildings and paying property taxes just because we now have an AHL team. The Chip Plant announcement is soon. Go Comets!!
Do you really believe that?
Potato chips

Atlanta, GA

#41 Jun 22, 2013
David Smith wrote:
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You are correct businesses will be opening all around Utica, filling vacant buildings and paying property taxes just because we now have an AHL team. The Chip Plant announcement is soon. Go Comets!!
Gullible.

Let us know when that chip plant is coming suckers. NY is last on the list for new businesses and they just ruined their chance with the biggest in the biz. Try some potato chips that's more ny's speed.

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