Public hearing for proposed charter school is silent

Apr 8, 2014 Full story: WKTV 28

A public hearing to discuss the possibility of a second charter school in Utica didn't draw people from either side of the fence Tuesday night.

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pretend to be smart

Utica, NY

#21 Apr 9, 2014
Truth wrote:
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"(1) The person(s) conducting the selection of lottery applicants or acting as an impartial observer of the selection of lottery applicants shall not be a board member or employee of the school, or a parent, person in parental relationship, grandparent, sibling, aunt, uncle or first cousin of any applicant to the school or of any pupil enrolled in the school."
Are you saying that someone form the Utica Charter School is or has been breaking the law?
All applicants are put in the lottery. Even those from outside the district even though those who live in the district are given preference over them.
Never said anything about who and how the lottery is conducted. Your attempt to change the subject has failed.
I asked about how the names are collected that actually end up in that lottery. They are pre-screened based on educational criteria of those prospective students. Lets not be naive here. Charter schools only want students that will perform well as that will impact their own success as a school. the lottery process may be fair but the selection of the names going in is not.
pretend to be smart

Utica, NY

#22 Apr 9, 2014
educated and amused wrote:
Some things never change.
Once again, "Truth" conveniently distorts/ ignores facts to continue his tirade against public employee unions.
Exactly. Only posts part of the actual "truth" and misleads by what is omitted.
pretend to be smart

Utica, NY

#23 Apr 9, 2014
Truth wrote:
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"No later than the first day of August of each year, each charter school shall submit to the Board of Regents and to the charter entity an annual report for the preceding school year, which shall include a charter school report card comprising the data set forth in subdivisions (a)-(c) of this section....."
It says "shall submit" not "may submit" or "at the discretion of..."
Section c says this about what is to be submitted:
"(c) Report of fiscal performance. Each charter school shall report the following data, in a format prescribed by the commissioner:
(1) Revenues.
(i) Revenues from State sources, which shall mean any State-funded grants or other apportionments paid directly to the charter school by the State of New York.
(ii) Revenues from Federal sources, which shall mean any federally funded grants or other apportionments paid directly to the charter school by the Federal government or by the State of New York.
(iii) Basic operating revenues received from public school districts, which shall mean payments received by the charter school from public school districts based on the product of the adjusted expense per pupil and the current year resident enrollment in the charter school for all public school districts with resident pupils attending the charter school as such product is defined in section 119.1(d)(3)(i) of this Part, or based on any such reduced amounts payable to the charter school by a public school district pursuant to an agreement between the charter school and the charter entity as set forth in the charter.........
.......(iii) Expenditures per pupil, which shall mean the quotient of total expenditures divided by enrollment, rounded to the next highest whole dollar."
You can read the rest from the website but what it describes is an audit of finances to be submitted for scrutiny.
Nowhere in there does it state an audit by an independent auditor or accountant is required by the State. Anyone can fudge financial reports and submit them to the State to show a good picture. Means absolutely nothing and your characterization "what it describes is an audit of finances to be submitted for scrutiny" clearly shows your lack of any fiscal understanding. It is not an audit until it is done by an independent entity and would be clearly stated in the law as such an audit. Your statement makes an ASSumption that it is an audit.
teach

Utica, NY

#24 Apr 9, 2014
JusticeDefiled13501 wrote:
I will try to post the source when I get time to locate it. This has been a point of contention between the public schools and charter schools since their inception. I have heard rumor that there is some wording in the new state budget that allows auditing of charter schools but not by the state comptroller. I don't know who is going to do this auditing but I would prefer to see it done by the same people who are responsible for auditing public schools. Seems only fair.
Many students have and are returning to Utica schools from the charter school currently open...
Come on

Utica, NY

#25 Apr 9, 2014
pretend to be smart wrote:
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Never said anything about who and how the lottery is conducted. Your attempt to change the subject has failed.
I asked about how the names are collected that actually end up in that lottery. They are pre-screened based on educational criteria of those prospective students. Lets not be naive here. Charter schools only want students that will perform well as that will impact their own success as a school. the lottery process may be fair but the selection of the names going in is not.
Quite simply, this is not true, at least not for UASCS. The local charter school has an initial application process for the lottery that does not ask for the grades of the prospective students.
Come on

Utica, NY

#26 Apr 9, 2014
teach wrote:
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Many students have and are returning to Utica schools from the charter school currently open...
What exactly is "many?" And how do you know this?
educated and amused

Utica, NY

#28 Apr 10, 2014
Interesting that those "advocates for children" didn't even bother to show up at the hearing to plead their case. But when you think about it, that parallels their charter school philosophy. If we don't like the rules, we just quit the game and walk away. Too many roadblocks? Then just don't open the charter school. Yep, real dedication there. Pretty evident that this was all about the money, not the kids. And that's the "Truth".
Charter guy

Utica, NY

#29 Apr 10, 2014
Yes, Utica schools are so great, so let's not change anything.
I am really curious who will lazy Utica teachers blame next for their incompetency? We have heard parents, students, non English speaking immigrants, poor, charter ... People are so against charter school but complain that student selection for them is somehow rigged. It must be that going to charter school is still prize for the lucky few. No, we hear the same teacher union bs, why don't you do your job instead of spreading lies, and we will not need charter schools

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