UPD has unethical police officers

UPD has unethical police officers

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need more integrity

Cortland, NY

#1 Jun 4, 2010
Does anybody know how officer's Holt and Rios maintain a badge with such a high citizen complaint count. How do they continue to be credible witnesses for the city? Local Judges and prosecutors must realize these two individuals have no credibility yet I continue to see person after person found guilty by their testimony alone.

Both were recently praised during an awards ceremony, with Rios taking home meritorious service. I now question the manner we choose superior professional service. Should police officers that undermine fairness and integrity be praised for a high arrest rate even if achieved unethically.

As an individual working with the court system and those disadvantaged people i see first hand the impact of their actions and those that allow them perpetuate those actions. The number and nature of the verbal complaints on the record in the court house should lead someone to investigate this mess.

Why doesn't the city institute random drug testing for police officers to weed out the users on the force. Precinct leadership must be aware of how far reaching the accusations are. Chief Williams should pick a day and have every individual assigned to the force subjected to a urinalysis.

Longterm patrolman with no desire to move up in the force are dead weight and use the power of the badge to harass and violate citizen rights. We need to stop turning our cheeks and demand accountability and integrity.
Massbeach

Fremont, CA

#2 Jun 4, 2010
"turning our cheeks?"....hahahahahahah ahahahahah!!!!!
Are "our cheeks" red?
sure

United States

#3 Jun 4, 2010
need more integrity wrote:
Does anybody know how officer's Holt and Rios maintain a badge with such a high citizen complaint count. How do they continue to be credible witnesses for the city? Local Judges and prosecutors must realize these two individuals have no credibility yet I continue to see person after person found guilty by their testimony alone.
Both were recently praised during an awards ceremony, with Rios taking home meritorious service. I now question the manner we choose superior professional service. Should police officers that undermine fairness and integrity be praised for a high arrest rate even if achieved unethically.
As an individual working with the court system and those disadvantaged people i see first hand the impact of their actions and those that allow them perpetuate those actions. The number and nature of the verbal complaints on the record in the court house should lead someone to investigate this mess.
Why doesn't the city institute random drug testing for police officers to weed out the users on the force. Precinct leadership must be aware of how far reaching the accusations are. Chief Williams should pick a day and have every individual assigned to the force subjected to a urinalysis.
Longterm patrolman with no desire to move up in the force are dead weight and use the power of the badge to harass and violate citizen rights. We need to stop turning our cheeks and demand accountability and integrity.
Oh yea I'm sure the people you deal with tell you the truth. I hate people like you who coddle to all these scum bags who sell drugs and collect welfare. Its everyone else's fault. Go hug a tree or something because Holt is one of the best street cops UPD has. Rios does a good job also.
UPD

United States

#4 Jun 4, 2010
Dept has some very decent, fine men and women. Stop breaking the law and they will not bother you.
Seen it

Middleville, NY

#5 Jun 4, 2010
Sure there are SOME decent members of the UPD, but on a whole most are arrogant and pick on innocent people while letting the ones who are truly bad go because they are afraid. It's not about coddling to scumbags its about facts that are witnessed.
Bull Chitter

Long Eddy, NY

#6 Jun 5, 2010
Seen it wrote:
Sure there are SOME decent members of the UPD, but on a whole most are arrogant and pick on innocent people while letting the ones who are truly bad go because they are afraid. It's not about coddling to scumbags its about facts that are witnessed.
Name names, times and places....Well ?? You can't. More BS from some crybaby who got caught picking up some prostitute or trying to score some dope. Then they go home and tell the wife...."Yeah, I wasn't doin anything and these jerk cops went through my car and planted some crack just so they could bust me. And they freaking towed the car too honey. " .......That's more, kinda, sorta what happened I bet ....
SICKOFCRAP

New Hartford, NY

#7 Jun 5, 2010
Bull Chitter wrote:
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Name names, times and places....Well ?? You can't. More BS from some crybaby who got caught picking up some prostitute or trying to score some dope. Then they go home and tell the wife...."Yeah, I wasn't doin anything and these jerk cops went through my car and planted some crack just so they could bust me. And they freaking towed the car too honey. " .......That's more, kinda, sorta what happened I bet ....
true , Utica PD is not bad at all , if you want to SEE BAD , LOOK at the Oneida COUNTY sheriffs Office, I heard a Sheriff Investigator planted flase evidence on a Innocent man and the investigaot was CAUGHT in pictures doing it . Now thats SCUM , he lives in Whitetown to . But I give Utica PD credit for protecting this GARBAGE dangerous City . If I was them , id wake up and look at the badge,and look outside, and then THROW it out the window haha they defend us and then we downgrade them ? Give me a break !
ummm

United States

#8 Jun 5, 2010
SICKOFCRAP wrote:
<quoted text> true , Utica PD is not bad at all , if you want to SEE BAD , LOOK at the Oneida COUNTY sheriffs Office, I heard a Sheriff Investigator planted flase evidence on a Innocent man and the investigaot was CAUGHT in pictures doing it . Now thats SCUM , he lives in Whitetown to . But I give Utica PD credit for protecting this GARBAGE dangerous City . If I was them , id wake up and look at the badge,and look outside, and then THROW it out the window haha they defend us and then we downgrade them ? Give me a break !
arent you the one who posted about someone selling drugs and upd wont stop it?
armed

Canton, NY

#9 Jun 5, 2010
SICKOFCRAP wrote:
<quoted text> true , Utica PD is not bad at all , if you want to SEE BAD , LOOK at the Oneida COUNTY sheriffs Office, I heard a Sheriff Investigator planted flase evidence on a Innocent man and the investigaot was CAUGHT in pictures doing it . Now thats SCUM , he lives in Whitetown to . But I give Utica PD credit for protecting this GARBAGE dangerous City . If I was them , id wake up and look at the badge,and look outside, and then THROW it out the window haha they defend us and then we downgrade them ? Give me a break !
ya you heard that because your the one who made it up. can tell by your writing style that your the one who made all the posts under different names. nice try retard!
Jen

Waterloo, Canada

#10 Jun 5, 2010
I'm just happy they gave the cops credit for getting people out of the james st building, now maybe brooks can stop boastig about saving twelve lives with his perfect leadership and start answering questions about the 4 people who died on his watch
CJ Prof

Herkimer, NY

#11 Jun 5, 2010
need more integrity wrote:
Does anybody know how officer's Holt and Rios maintain a badge with such a high citizen complaint count. How do they continue to be credible witnesses for the city? Local Judges and prosecutors must realize these two individuals have no credibility yet I continue to see person after person found guilty by their testimony alone.
Both were recently praised during an awards ceremony, with Rios taking home meritorious service. I now question the manner we choose superior professional service. Should police officers that undermine fairness and integrity be praised for a high arrest rate even if achieved unethically.
As an individual working with the court system and those disadvantaged people i see first hand the impact of their actions and those that allow them perpetuate those actions. The number and nature of the verbal complaints on the record in the court house should lead someone to investigate this mess.
Why doesn't the city institute random drug testing for police officers to weed out the users on the force. Precinct leadership must be aware of how far reaching the accusations are. Chief Williams should pick a day and have every individual assigned to the force subjected to a urinalysis.
Longterm patrolman with no desire to move up in the force are dead weight and use the power of the badge to harass and violate citizen rights. We need to stop turning our cheeks and demand accountability and integrity.
I have known both of them for a number of years. While I would describe their style of policing as proactive, suggesting that they are unethical is off base. Police officers are perceived as either lazy slobs or as overzealous jerks. Obviously Holt and Rios are seen by many as the latter. It's hard to fault them for doing their job. It is what we pay them to do. Do I want to be on the receiving end of the zest for work? No. On the other hand I'm glad they aren't sleeping their way through their shifts. If they did nothing you would complain about that too. Utica is a dump, plain and simple. It's not a place for 'slacker' cops. The fact that the city is knee deep in degenerates dictates that the police respond appropriately. That means the type of cops you find in the villages around here would be effectively useless in Utica. Utica doesn't need fewer cops like Holt and Rios, it needs MORE.
golden oldies

Utica, NY

#12 Jun 5, 2010
CJ Prof wrote:
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I have known both of them for a number of years. While I would describe their style of policing as proactive, suggesting that they are unethical is off base. Police officers are perceived as either lazy slobs or as overzealous jerks. Obviously Holt and Rios are seen by many as the latter. It's hard to fault them for doing their job. It is what we pay them to do. Do I want to be on the receiving end of the zest for work? No. On the other hand I'm glad they aren't sleeping their way through their shifts. If they did nothing you would complain about that too. Utica is a dump, plain and simple. It's not a place for 'slacker' cops. The fact that the city is knee deep in degenerates dictates that the police respond appropriately. That means the type of cops you find in the villages around here would be effectively useless in Utica. Utica doesn't need fewer cops like Holt and Rios, it needs MORE.
I agree. What an infested city like Utica needs is agressive police activity. they should take every gang member and give them a ride to Herkimer and tell them to keep going down the thruway and don't show their faces here again and all prisoners released should be brought to their home city not just let go. the politicians that promised jobs with the prisons sold everyone a bill of goods with the jobs came the scum and gangs. Were in real trouble in central NY because of it and I don't see anyway out. So don't baby criminals treat them like criminals and if someone doesn't like it to buckin bad.
ok then

Rome, NY

#13 Jun 6, 2010
golden oldies wrote:
<quoted text>I agree. What an infested city like Utica needs is agressive police activity. they should take every gang member and give them a ride to Herkimer and tell them to keep going down the thruway and don't show their faces here again and all prisoners released should be brought to their home city not just let go. the politicians that promised jobs with the prisons sold everyone a bill of goods with the jobs came the scum and gangs. Were in real trouble in central NY because of it and I don't see anyway out. So don't baby criminals treat them like criminals and if someone doesn't like it to buckin bad.
What gang? The gangs you speak of don't exist in Utica. The perception is pushed so the area qualifies for more federal funding. These so called gangs are mostly hip hop wanna be rappers joining together hoping to one day publish music. The proof is in the pudding. Of all the solved homicides in the greater Utica area how many are proven to be gang affiliated?

Being proactive and violating individual rights are two entirely different concepts. Officer's Holt and Rios are being called out because they have a history of questionable behavior, ask Sgt Siriano of the professional standards division who fields the complaints.

If there's smoke usually there's a fire! The Mayor himself is aware of complaints against Rios and had to weight in last year. Holt hasn't been on the street as long as Rios but is widely considered a "dirty cop". If you haven't noticed, cases with their fingerprints won't go to trial because most people (prosecutor included) agree they're not credible.

You have to spend a day in the court house to grasp whats now business as usual. I wish i could recollect the number of dismissed cases due to inaccuracies in their testimony. They're not lone wolfs. Others on the force have written false police statements, but it appears they're by far the biggest offenders.

Please don't take my word for it. Come see YOUR judicial system in action.

Lastly, your complaints are baseless. The facts are most CNY inmates from outside the area don't stay here when released and even fewer of them commit another felony crime in this area.
Disagree

Rome, NY

#14 Jun 6, 2010
CJ Prof wrote:
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I have known both of them for a number of years. While I would describe their style of policing as proactive, suggesting that they are unethical is off base. Police officers are perceived as either lazy slobs or as overzealous jerks. Obviously Holt and Rios are seen by many as the latter. It's hard to fault them for doing their job. It is what we pay them to do. Do I want to be on the receiving end of the zest for work? No. On the other hand I'm glad they aren't sleeping their way through their shifts. If they did nothing you would complain about that too. Utica is a dump, plain and simple. It's not a place for 'slacker' cops. The fact that the city is knee deep in degenerates dictates that the police respond appropriately. That means the type of cops you find in the villages around here would be effectively useless in Utica. Utica doesn't need fewer cops like Holt and Rios, it needs MORE.
I would argue just the opposite. The city is not a dump. Many police officers feel that way because they spend the majority of their day dealing with certain elements. A village officer could be far more effective if he/she spent their shift patrolling for safety. Based on the cases that come to court i assume those two spend a majority of their shift performing warrantless searches of cars and/or persons of known drug users for crack stems and drugs. Often jaywalking is the reason for the stop and the search conducted because of suspicious activity.

So you are right about one thing, they're proactive. I wish it was with the criminals and not those with physiological or psychological conditions.
Badge

United States

#15 Jun 6, 2010
CJ Prof wrote:
<quoted text>
I have known both of them for a number of years. While I would describe their style of policing as proactive, suggesting that they are unethical is off base. Police officers are perceived as either lazy slobs or as overzealous jerks. Obviously Holt and Rios are seen by many as the latter. It's hard to fault them for doing their job. It is what we pay them to do. Do I want to be on the receiving end of the zest for work? No. On the other hand I'm glad they aren't sleeping their way through their shifts. If they did nothing you would complain about that too. Utica is a dump, plain and simple. It's not a place for 'slacker' cops. The fact that the city is knee deep in degenerates dictates that the police respond appropriately. That means the type of cops you find in the villages around here would be effectively useless in Utica. Utica doesn't need fewer cops like Holt and Rios, it needs MORE.
We need more cops like Holt, not Rios!
SICKOFCRAP

New Hartford, NY

#16 Jun 6, 2010
ummm wrote:
<quoted text>arent you the one who posted about someone selling drugs and upd wont stop it?
can you READ ? nowhere does it say UPD wont stop it, they did get him ! but hes at it again , so the public should be aware .unless YOU LIKE drugs ? UPD is a great police force in my book !
golden oldies

Utica, NY

#18 Jun 6, 2010
ok then wrote:
<quoted text>What gang? The gangs you speak of don't exist in Utica. The perception is pushed so the area qualifies for more federal funding. These so called gangs are mostly hip hop wanna be rappers joining together hoping to one day publish music. The proof is in the pudding. Of all the solved homicides in the greater Utica area how many are proven to be gang affiliated?
Being proactive and violating individual rights are two entirely different concepts. Officer's Holt and Rios are being called out because they have a history of questionable behavior, ask Sgt Siriano of the professional standards division who fields the complaints.
If there's smoke usually there's a fire! The Mayor himself is aware of complaints against Rios and had to weight in last year. Holt hasn't been on the street as long as Rios but is widely considered a "dirty cop". If you haven't noticed, cases with their fingerprints won't go to trial because most people (prosecutor included) agree they're not credible.
You have to spend a day in the court house to grasp whats now business as usual. I wish i could recollect the number of dismissed cases due to inaccuracies in their testimony. They're not lone wolfs. Others on the force have written false police statements, but it appears they're by far the biggest offenders.
Please don't take my word for it. Come see YOUR judicial system in action.
Lastly, your complaints are baseless. The facts are most CNY inmates from outside the area don't stay here when released and even fewer of them commit another felony crime in this area.
I believe your wrong on two accounts, one as a person associated with the prison system as well as parole I can tell you first hand that gangs do exist in Utica and Rome and secondly, Rome's only growth in population in the past decade comes from released prisoners. I have seen both first hand and it is creating a bad situation. The person that shot officer Lindsey was not a local Utican and the person that shot Jad Baker was not a native Roman. How can you say they don't stay here when landlords are having their properties condemed because of these lowlife tenents that are not native to the area. It is a blight on the area and only tuff police work will make it better. You speak of our corrupt penal system and "dirty cops" but YOU STATE NO FACTS. It seems that everyone that accuses police of being corrupt states not facts. Stop the bullshit unless you have proof. Your probably a frustrated court employee that couldn't cut the academy.
good words

Rome, NY

#19 Jun 7, 2010
golden oldies wrote:
<quoted text>I believe your wrong on two accounts, one as a person associated with the prison system as well as parole I can tell you first hand that gangs do exist in Utica and Rome and secondly, Rome's only growth in population in the past decade comes from released prisoners. I have seen both first hand and it is creating a bad situation. The person that shot officer Lindsey was not a local Utican and the person that shot Jad Baker was not a native Roman. How can you say they don't stay here when landlords are having their properties condemed because of these lowlife tenents that are not native to the area. It is a blight on the area and only tuff police work will make it better. You speak of our corrupt penal system and "dirty cops" but YOU STATE NO FACTS. It seems that everyone that accuses police of being corrupt states not facts. Stop the bullshit unless you have proof. Your probably a frustrated court employee that couldn't cut the academy.
You still didn't discuss the gang that was responsible for a homicide in the area..it doesn't happen here.

It is correct those individuals were not natives of the area but its also true neither was released from a local prison. Minority migration and immigration are the growth trends of the area, thus it is inaccurate to state "Rome's only growth in population in the past decade comes from released prisoners".

Landlords typically don't voluntarily condemn building and are usually doing so at the request of the municipality because it no longer meets minimum safety requirements and the cost to do so isn't feasible. This usually is from the landlord neglecting the residence or property crime and not a tenant. Remember, we landlords decide who and when a resident is occupied.

Tuff police work? LE should be moderate or it becomes self serving and counterproductive. LE is mainly a crime deterrent. Why is the taxpayer paying for these two officers to write jaywalking tickets. Seriously, jaywalking tickets? We either have to many cops or not enough crime? Wait, the city has one of the highest property crime rates in the state, but we get jaywalkers and drug addicts in court.

I never said the penal system was corrupt, those are your words. I have a great deal of respect for most (some appear corrupt) of the local judges for often finding the truth when LE is often no more credible than the alleged criminal. In an area where the medium income is under 25k PDs represent most defendants and not attorneys so the defendant is basically on their own if they don't accept the prearranged agreement struck between the PD and DA. I don't think I've ever seen a PD submit a motion to dismiss.
truth

New Hartford, NY

#20 Jun 7, 2010
armed wrote:
<quoted text> ya you heard that because your the one who made it up. can tell by your writing style that your the one who made all the posts under different names. nice try retard!
YOur STILL On here CREEP . This guy that writes here is a creep in Rome, whatch your young ones from him , he comments on anything and NEVER leaves his house and knows NOTHING about anyone, he just does it cause he has no life hahhaha Your form Rome, what do u know about Crappy Utica. and ROME is the Scummyest place in America hahhahah and about 10 years behind in style hahaha
Gerald Dion Jr

Syracuse, NY

#21 Jun 7, 2010
truth wrote:
<quoted text>YOur STILL On here CREEP . This guy that writes here is a creep in Rome, whatch your young ones from him , he comments on anything and NEVER leaves his house and knows NOTHING about anyone, he just does it cause he has no life hahhaha Your form Rome, what do u know about Crappy Utica. and ROME is the Scummyest place in America hahhahah and about 10 years behind in style hahaha
My name is Gerald Dion Junior and I am a known homosexual as well as petty theif. I post on topix under a fake name called truth or theTRUTH. I typically type in all caps, but I want people to read this and understand this post because I'm working a glory hole in a bathroom on Sunset ave in Utica all week. I typically astroturf here to convince myself and others that I didn't do the things that I've been charged with.

I'm a dumbass.

-Gerald Dion Jr. HIV+

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