How bad will the economy in this area...

How bad will the economy in this area get

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PEZ GOLF

Canastota, NY

#1 Mar 30, 2009
The newspapers have been listing the companies laying off workers---Northern Safety, Con Med, Bank of America, Brodock Press, Turning Stone Resort & Casino, etc. Some companies seem to be holding their own---Sturges Manufacturing and the Remington Arms. A few are hiring more workers--APAC and ACS.

A few new businesses are locating here or thinking about it---the new chlorine plant in Frankfort, for example. Overall, the unemployment rate in Central New York is now 8.9% as of February. The local economy is definitely being affected by the nationwide recession.

Normally, this area lags the national economy by six months or more. So---how bad will it get here? The loss of 1,400 jobs in the Syracuse area because of New Process Gear, owned by the Canadian Company, Magna, is a big hit.

Some people say that so many companies have left here that it cannot get much worse. Government is one area that has hired more workers, but that is not likely to last as our political leaders are reluctant to raise taxes to keep the same number of employees. Schools and municipalites are already announcing plans for layoffs and downsizing. Heath care is another area that has held its own, but now hospitals and nursing homes are facing deficits, and will have to cut payroll.

The next two years will be tough ones, and we are getting kicked in the stomach while we are already down. Pretty depressing future, is it not?

What are our economic development people at the IDA, the Area Development Corporation, MVEDD, and the Chambers of Commerce got "in the pipeline" to give us even a slimmer of hope that we will not hit a 11% unemployment rate before things "bottom out"?
so sad

Watertown, NY

#2 Mar 30, 2009
What nobody knows is Conmed will be leaving soon.. They have already set up shop in Mexico
PEZ GOLF

Canastota, NY

#3 Mar 31, 2009
so sad wrote:
What nobody knows is Conmed will be leaving soon.. They have already set up shop in Mexico
If that does happen, it would NOT surprise me. Publicly owned companies have to maximize profits, and that is done by locating plants in other countries.

Here is the big question: if they leave, who will then occupy the big plant on French Road, that used to house GE workers, who are gone, too?
spongebob

Fayetteville, NY

#4 Mar 31, 2009
so sad wrote:
What nobody knows is Conmed will be leaving soon.. They have already set up shop in Mexico
I to have heard this, it's just a matter of time. conmeds broad st location will be closed in the next couple of months!
Jerky Boyz

West Leyden, NY

#5 Mar 31, 2009
if the city of Utica would only Buy locally then the local economy would be a bit better. Utica buys their goods outside the area and turns their backs on locally businesses.
PEZ GOLF

Canastota, NY

#6 Apr 2, 2009
Did everyone read the article on page 6 of the Utica "Observer Dispatch" yesterday where "Forbes" magzine ranked this area 191 out of 200 areas for business and careers? My God, when anyone thinks of locating a business somewhere in the Northeast, why would they want to come here?

We have a tough, tough selling job ahead of us. Listen up. We cannot keep blaming the State for our ranking. Instead, our elected officials and economic development people need to "get on the stick":

1. Why does the Herkimer County Legislature continue to avoid imposing a bed tax to be paid by travelers and tourists? This money could pay for a Convention and Tourism Bureau to promote this area, and Oneida County and Otsego County have it, as well as most other counties! I have written "Letters to the Editor" advocating it, and have picked up support from some County Legislators, like Pete Manno in Frankfort. Do we want to promote this area or not? Actions speak louder than words!! Prove it, County Legislators, and pass a bed tax ASAP!!

2. Why does the Village of Ilion not have an Economic Development Committee to attract businesses here? When Charlie Haggerty was Mayor, he said he was going to do it, and had approached bankers and others to be on that Committee. I was one of the people he approached, and I accepted, along with the late Bob Jones from HSBC, etc. The Committee was never appointed, and has not been since. These people would serve without pay, for God's sake. Let us get the job done, ASAP.

3. What have Senator Jim Seward and Assemblyman Marc Butler done to bring jobs into this area? I know about the money for the Remington Arms, Fermer Precision, etc. MORE needs to be done. What have Dave Townsend, Roann Destito, Congressman Mike Arcuri, and State Senator Joe Griffo done?

4. What have our economic development people on the Herkimer County IDA, Area Development Corporation, MVEDD, EDGE, done to bring new businesses and jobs to our area? They are paid high salaries from the taxpayers, but what return are we getting on our "investment"?

NOT ENOUGH IS BEING DONE. When will we get serious about promoting this area and tourism? I have been asking this question for 20+ years. WHEN will I get an answer?
PEZ GOLF

Canastota, NY

#7 Apr 3, 2009
I guess people want to talk about other subjects as opposed to jobs and the future of this area. This region is really depressing, both in economic conditions AND in attitude!
For the record

Schodack Landing, NY

#8 Apr 3, 2009
Just for the record, when the airbase closed we lost 4500 jobs with one employer and 1/2 those employed working in the eastern part of Oneida County.

Today we have about 4500 jobs at the old airbase with over 20 employers and about 1/2 those employed working in the eastern part of Oneida County.

Things are not good but the could be worse. As long as the State of NY wants to give free everything to 1/2 the population the other 1/2 that pays will struggle.
PEZ GOLF

Canastota, NY

#9 Apr 4, 2009
For the record wrote:
Just for the record, when the airbase closed we lost 4500 jobs with one employer and 1/2 those employed working in the eastern part of Oneida County.
Today we have about 4500 jobs at the old airbase with over 20 employers and about 1/2 those employed working in the eastern part of Oneida County.
Things are not good but the could be worse. As long as the State of NY wants to give free everything to 1/2 the population the other 1/2 that pays will struggle.
Oneida County is much better than Herkimer County, and the air base is a success story. Let me ask you this---if it was not for the Turning Stone Resort & Casino, where would those 5,000 people work? Supposedly, the Oneida County Executive is in very serious negotations with the Oneida Nation to resolve the issues. I hope so. I am sick and tired of people like Assemblyman Dave Townsend and his "views"----let me ask him and the people opposed to the casino one question: when are YOU going to start up a business so that 5,000 local people can work there? Until you do that, shut up about the casino. PUT UP OR SHUT UP!!
Bozo

West Leyden, NY

#10 Apr 4, 2009
One example ....City of Utica purchases its uniforms and supplies from Albany rather than here locally. A Fact....

Level 7

Since: Jan 08

Rome

#11 Apr 4, 2009
For the Record, how many of those 4500 jobs at the former air base were moved from locations in the local area to the former base?

Do your numbers include the employees at RFA, for example? How about Birnie Bus? Economic redistribution is not economic development.

I agree that things could be worse. Driving more and more people and jobs out of the state to avoid the high taxes required to feed the state's spending appetite is one sure way to get there.
yourkiddingright

Syracuse, NY

#12 Apr 4, 2009
You’re kidding right? You wonder why business is moving OUT of the area and then you support a bed tax in Herkimer County? You think the old GAFB is doing well when all that is happening is taxpayer money is subsidizing new business and as soon as the taxpayer money is gone that business is gone. You wonder what MV Edge MVEDD and the other waste of economic development fraudsters are doing to help the area. There doing NOTHING but lining their pockets with money.
You want business to come and stay here: Cut taxes on existing businesses not just new. Lobby for decrease in property taxes for ALL. Property taxes are outrageous and the first way to get reduced is to cut wasteful spending by local governments. The next this is get rid of the economic development fraudsters and maybe get some of the stimulus money they have been getting directly to local business instead of allowing the fraudster economic development agencies siphon out the money for themselves.
PEZ GOLF wrote:
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Oneida County is much better than Herkimer County, and the air base is a success story. Let me ask you this---if it was not for the Turning Stone Resort & Casino, where would those 5,000 people work? Supposedly, the Oneida County Executive is in very serious negotations with the Oneida Nation to resolve the issues. I hope so. I am sick and tired of people like Assemblyman Dave Townsend and his "views"----let me ask him and the people opposed to the casino one question: when are YOU going to start up a business so that 5,000 local people can work there? Until you do that, shut up about the casino. PUT UP OR SHUT UP!!
workin stiff

New York, NY

#13 Apr 4, 2009
so sad wrote:
What nobody knows is Conmed will be leaving soon.. They have already set up shop in Mexico
I applied for a job at ConMed. I was interviewed by someone who wanted to promote one of his buddies.
That is the type of people running ConMed.
That is why they will not survive or will run to cheap labor in Mexico.
Whatch the stock go down.
concerned

Syracuse, NY

#14 Apr 4, 2009
Pez Golf sounds like his is a member of MV Edge or some other supposed economic development agency trying to justify their existence. If the local taxpayers received an equal share of the wasted money that has filtered thru these wasted agencies the area would be better off. The only ones better off with the economic development at Griffiss park are the ones receiving taxpayer dollars to survive and the taxpayer funded agencies that are there namely Griffiss Land Development, Griffiss Utility etc. I may not get the names of companies perfect but one thing for sure is they are a waste of taxpayer money.
Joe

Henderson, NV

#15 Apr 4, 2009
Bottom line. An overgrown government and mindless liberalism is the problem. NY State is paying for it's socialist liberal ideas. Turning things around is going to take some drastic measures. Yes, and there will be pain.
crisis

New York, NY

#16 Apr 4, 2009
workin stiff wrote:
<quoted text>
I applied for a job at ConMed. I was interviewed by someone who wanted to promote one of his buddies.
That is the type of people running ConMed.
That is why they will not survive or will run to cheap labor in Mexico.
Whatch the stock go down.
Con Med is a disgusting company. It thrives on corporate welfare to make it's profits. Many of the workers qualify for food stamps and medicaid...AGain the politicians who voted for Nafta should be tarred and feathered. Many Many Many jobs went to China, Mexico, India

Level 7

Since: Jan 08

Rome

#17 Apr 4, 2009
Joe wrote:
Bottom line. An overgrown government and mindless liberalism is the problem. NY State is paying for it's socialist liberal ideas. Turning things around is going to take some drastic measures. Yes, and there will be pain.
Joe, your post is a spike in the signal-to-noise ratio here. There is much in what you say, although I think it would be more persuasive without the caustic labels.

I suggest, however, the real problem is representation that many of us perceive is non-responsive to our best interests. Whether the government is spending money on liberal programs or conservative programs is of little matter. What is important is whether or not government is acting responsibly or irresponsibly.
Casual Observer

Fishers, NY

#18 Apr 4, 2009
PEZ GOLF wrote:
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Oneida County is much better than Herkimer County, and the air base is a success story. Let me ask you this---if it was not for the Turning Stone Resort & Casino, where would those 5,000 people work? Supposedly, the Oneida County Executive is in very serious negotations with the Oneida Nation to resolve the issues. I hope so. I am sick and tired of people like Assemblyman Dave Townsend and his "views"----let me ask him and the people opposed to the casino one question: when are YOU going to start up a business so that 5,000 local people can work there? Until you do that, shut up about the casino. PUT UP OR SHUT UP!!
With all the entities involved with the Oneida issue, the County Executive’s negotiations, in my opinion, of course, will be ineffective. I do not think that Halbriter will ever be serious about negotiations unless forced to. I should say,“a settlement” other than what he has now, which is the best of both worlds. Run a monopolistic business, not pay taxes and be subject to your own rules.

Hey, if the state and fed will let me open up a casino, not pay any taxes, and severely limit competition, you bet I could run a profitable business. I guess just because they have grown so large they are now too big to fail??? The State has ended up protecting their business when the legislature refused to bring gambling up for amending the state constitution to allow it. Once they approved this type of gambling for the tribes, it should have at least been brought up for the people of the state to decide if we wanted to allow it as a business in NY….for people who would have to pay taxes.

You would think that Halbriter would be happy with the gambling business he was allowed to operate and would be happy to pay taxes. He just wants to get everything he can, and I can’t blame him for that. But, please, no one should think he has any one’s interest but his own. He has played the state like a fiddle and now has the money to buy even more influence. And that is the root cause of why our politicians seem to pass laws that benefit a wealthy, elite few and the average person keeps taking it on the chin. Greed, cronyism and favoritism have finally come home to roost and look at the mess we have. And you know what, the rich and powerful will find a way to gouge the average person even more and walk away from this mess with increasing profits unless people express their dissatisfaction of how perverted they have made the American system. Excessive compensation, unregulated markets, illegal immigration, working poor, vast number of children (and now working people) without health insurance, flight of American jobs, increasing disparity in wealth, reduced spending power of the average American. Where will it all end? This won’t work and neither will taxpayers subsidizing the profits the Casino and their other operations are making.
Another Casual Observer

Flushing, NY

#19 Apr 4, 2009
The most critical problem right now is whats going on in City Hall, this Mayor has just under 3 years to run and his vision for Utica is a city free of potholes and a hope criminals will go away... His economic guru is interested only in paving areas around his private property along with petty public theft and creating an atmosphere that keeps anyone from investing more than a dollar in the area.
Utica has tremendous resources, it has location, it has many many things going for it, but it's politicians are killing the place and it's beginning to fed on it's own inertia... When a place is corrupt, outside money and people will not come to Utica, the City has no leadership and until it finds some there's going to be decay, this is not part of the normal business cycle, Utican's choose to elect somebody who had no agenda, they never questioned him, possibly one of the most low calibre individuals you could find to give the top job too... Utican's need to first ask for leadership
PEZ GOLF

Canastota, NY

#20 Apr 5, 2009
Another Casual Observer wrote:
The most critical problem right now is whats going on in City Hall, this Mayor has just under 3 years to run and his vision for Utica is a city free of potholes and a hope criminals will go away... His economic guru is interested only in paving areas around his private property along with petty public theft and creating an atmosphere that keeps anyone from investing more than a dollar in the area.
Utica has tremendous resources, it has location, it has many many things going for it, but it's politicians are killing the place and it's beginning to fed on it's own inertia... When a place is corrupt, outside money and people will not come to Utica, the City has no leadership and until it finds some there's going to be decay, this is not part of the normal business cycle, Utican's choose to elect somebody who had no agenda, they never questioned him, possibly one of the most low calibre individuals you could find to give the top job too... Utican's need to first ask for leadership


Here is the sad aspect of what you say:

Utica is the core City for this area. What happens in the City affects the suburbs like Whitesboro, Marcy, New Hartford, etc., but also the Mohawk Valley region like Ilion. When Utica prospers, the whole area benefits. When Utica stagnates or declines, the whole area suffers. Boy, are we all suffering now!

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