Glenn Beck Sucks
Ben Gleck

Oriskany Falls, NY

#11180 Oct 8, 2013
Respect71 wrote:
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“Hi Dummy!” Shocked... More name calling.
“how's everything in the psychotic world of guns Jesus, and Rush Limbaugh? It looks like a very scary place to me.” Then I am sad for you.
“It's really too bad you missed the McCarthy era. When arrogant, vindictive a-holes like you had a field day maligning some of the very best and talented of Americans as "UN American."” Why is it too bad?
“That is considered a real low in American politics.” What was... Your run-on paragraph really aren't clear.
“Just as the present right wing hysteria will soon be viewed. According to your pea brained ideology anyone who isn't in favor of repealing Social Security, Medicare, and the ACA is simply not American. Is that right your holier than thouness?” No.
“You just disqualified 75% of the country.” How so?
“No wonder you morons can't win a general election. And it's only going to get worse.” No doubt in my mind.
“Hillary and Bill must be laughing their asses off watching you right wing loonies destroy the Republican party.” Lol.... America and Liberty is the concern, not the party.
“I never said that I hated the founding fathers. I merely said that many of them kept human beings as slaves, for their profit and pleasure. Are you denying that? Jefferson was very much th abolitionist until he decided to go into the wheat business. Then he turned a one eighty and spent the rest of his life singing the praises of slavery. I can give you numerous other examples. But, why bother?” Like I said, you’re obviously not a History teacher... Do you deny the founding fathers made way for the abolishment of slavery? If they hadn’t you would be in your back yard right now yelling at your slaver to write for you on topix.
“You obviously went to the Michelle Backman school of history. She said that "The founding fathers fought to the end of their days to get rid of slavery" Really? Then why did we have to wait another seventy years and fight one of the bloodiest wars in history to get rid of it?” Do you think it takes a day to abolished a practice that was practiced for thousands of years?
“BTW Dummy, I already explained that Obama care doesn't bring "libert" to the American people, it brings health care.” AND removes liberty. Americans had healthcare before OBAMACARE.
“The REpublicans will cave before next week on this debt crisis thing. Wanna bet?” You’ve been around a long time... Do you not agree this is SOP for Washington?
“You've been absolutely wrong on every single issue. Why should this be any different?.” I’m not wrong about you socialist!
BTW stop worrying about my health. I have health care , I'm as strong as a bull, and to top it off my wife is a doctor. Now get back in that little cubicle and stop spreading paranoia and ignorance.
You insinuate that I have been historically inaccurate in regards to the founding fathers and their slave keeping. Please correct me. I'm all ears. This is what you do. You Imply that I am inaccurate about something but, stop short of presenting the true facts. That's because you don't really know anything. You're very transparent. BTW please explain how a two sentence paragraph can be a run on paragraph. MY God, you are dumb!

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#11181 Oct 9, 2013
Ben Gleck wrote:
<quoted text>You insinuate that I have been historically inaccurate in regards to the founding fathers and their slave keeping. Please correct me. I'm all ears. This is what you do. You Imply that I am inaccurate about something but, stop short of presenting the true facts. That's because you don't really know anything. You're very transparent. BTW please explain how a two sentence paragraph can be a run on paragraph. MY God, you are dumb!
“You insinuate that I have been historically inaccurate in regards to the founding fathers and their slave keeping.” No, 55 delegates to the Constitutional Convention, 49% owned slaves. However, Robert Morris did not personally own slaves but did own a slave ship and invested in plantations using slaves. Some slave owners emancipated their slaves (Richard Bassett and John Dickinson). Other slave owners opposed slavery and supported abolition (Jacob Broom and William Samuel Johnson). Other slave owners opposed the slave trade if not slavery itself. So, of the 26 slave-owners, 19 owned multiple slaves and relied on slave labor for their livelihood. A clear minority of our founding fathers believed in moving forward with our new Country without slaves, and believed that ALL men are created equal.
If fact, in 1774, Benjamin Franklin and Benjamin Rush founded America's first antislavery society, and John Jay was the president of society in New York for the same. Other founding fathers who were members included, Richard Bassett, James Madison, James Monroe, Bushrod Washington, Charles Carroll, William Few, John Marshall, Richard Stockton, Zephaniah Swift, and many others.
Because of these societies and their efforts, Massachusetts abolished slavery in 1780, Connecticut and Rhode Island did the same in 1784, New Hampshire in 1792, Vermont in 1793, New York in 1799, and in New Jersey in 1804. Our founding fathers were greatly responsible for the abolition movement. In fact, the reason why the states of Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Iowa all prohibited slavery was a federal act written by Rufus King (signer of the Constitution) and signed into law by our First President George Washington (a slave owner who emancipated his slaves) which prohibited slavery in those territories. George Washington once wrote,“I can only say that there is not a man living who wishes more sincerely than I do to see a plan adopted for the abolition of it [slavery].”—George Washington
So, is the fact that you say “Let's not forget that these founding fathers were not angels.” really means nothing and you blathering,“You obviously went to the Michelle Backman school of history. She said that "The founding fathers fought to the end of their days to get rid of slavery" Really?” RE-READ above.
“Then why did we have to wait another seventy years and fight one of the bloodiest wars in history to get rid of it?” Because changing thousands of years of human flaw doesn’t take a day! AND as I showed you, it took much longer than “seventy years” to abolish the thousands and thousands year old practice of slavery.

You are a fatalty of the public school system!
Ben Gleck

Oriskany Falls, NY

#11182 Oct 9, 2013
Respect71 wrote:
<quoted text>
“You insinuate that I have been historically inaccurate in regards to the founding fathers and their slave keeping.” No, 55 delegates to the Constitutional Convention, 49% owned slaves. However, Robert Morris did not personally own slaves but did own a slave ship and invested in plantations using slaves. Some slave owners emancipated their slaves (Richard Bassett and John Dickinson). Other slave owners opposed slavery and supported abolition (Jacob Broom and William Samuel Johnson). Other slave owners opposed the slave trade if not slavery itself. So, of the 26 slave-owners, 19 owned multiple slaves and relied on slave labor for their livelihood. A clear minority of our founding fathers believed in moving forward with our new Country without slaves, and believed that ALL men are created equal.
If fact, in 1774, Benjamin Franklin and Benjamin Rush founded America's first antislavery society, and John Jay was the president of society in New York for the same. Other founding fathers who were members included, Richard Bassett, James Madison, James Monroe, Bushrod Washington, Charles Carroll, William Few, John Marshall, Richard Stockton, Zephaniah Swift, and many others.
Because of these societies and their efforts, Massachusetts abolished slavery in 1780, Connecticut and Rhode Island did the same in 1784, New Hampshire in 1792, Vermont in 1793, New York in 1799, and in New Jersey in 1804. Our founding fathers were greatly responsible for the abolition movement. In fact, the reason why the states of Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Iowa all prohibited slavery was a federal act written by Rufus King (signer of the Constitution) and signed into law by our First President George Washington (a slave owner who emancipated his slaves) which prohibited slavery in those territories. George Washington once wrote,“I can only say that there is not a man living who wishes more sincerely than I do to see a plan adopted for the abolition of it [slavery].”—George Washington
So, is the fact that you say “Let's not forget that these founding fathers were not angels.” really means nothing and you blathering,“You obviously went to the Michelle Backman school of history. She said that "The founding fathers fought to the end of their days to get rid of slavery" Really?” RE-READ above.
“Then why did we have to wait another seventy years and fight one of the bloodiest wars in history to get rid of it?” Because changing thousands of years of human flaw doesn’t take a day! AND as I showed you, it took much longer than “seventy years” to abolish the thousands and thousands year old practice of slavery.
You are a fatalty of the public school system!
So, you know how to Google, great! Now if only you could make sense of it.
Of course some of the founding fathers were in favor of abolition. But, even many of those kept slaves till the day they died. Including Jefferson, and If my memory serves me Washington. He only freed his slaves upon his own death.(when he was personally done with them. Even one day of slavery is a long time.`The fact still remains that many of the founding fathers kept slaves of their own , for their profit and pleasure. If any of them felt strongly about the immorality of it, they could have set them free. And a little pay for their back breaking labor would have been appropriate. You are a child.
If Democracy means anything it means that, if you are out voted, you accept the results and prepare for the next election.
Republicans are refusing to do that. It shows contempt for the democratic process. T. Friedman.

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#11183 Oct 9, 2013
Ben Gleck wrote:
<quoted text>So, you know how to Google, great! Now if only you could make sense of it.
Of course some of the founding fathers were in favor of abolition. But, even many of those kept slaves till the day they died. Including Jefferson, and If my memory serves me Washington. He only freed his slaves upon his own death.(when he was personally done with them. Even one day of slavery is a long time.`The fact still remains that many of the founding fathers kept slaves of their own , for their profit and pleasure. If any of them felt strongly about the immorality of it, they could have set them free. And a little pay for their back breaking labor would have been appropriate. You are a child.
If Democracy means anything it means that, if you are out voted, you accept the results and prepare for the next election.
Republicans are refusing to do that. It shows contempt for the democratic process. T. Friedman.
“So, you know how to Google, great! Now if only you could make sense of it.” I learned that in College; thankfully not at the one you taught “public activism as a career”.

“Of course some of the founding fathers were in favor of abolition.” In addition to our Country they initiated the abolition movement. Thank God!

“But, even many of those kept slaves till the day they died. Including Jefferson, and If my memory serves me Washington. He only freed his slaves upon his own death.(when he was personally done with them. Even one day of slavery is a long time.`The fact still remains that many of the founding fathers kept slaves of their own , for their profit and pleasure. If any of them felt strongly about the immorality of it, they could have set them free.” They did and they did, so, therefore, what?

“And a little pay for their back breaking labor would have been appropriate.” You don’t think Washington did this? That’s why you’re not a History teacher.

The point is (whether a minority of the Founding Fathers owned slaves or not) the Founding Fathers started the abolition movement. Had they not you would be whipping your little slave right now.

Thank God that it only took a little over one hundred years to abolish thousands of years of a bad social practice. It could have taken a lot longer.

“You are a child.” You are an old socialist.

“If Democracy means anything it means that, if you are out voted, you accept the results and prepare for the next election.” These United States are a republic, with democratic processes.

“Republicans are refusing to do that.” BECAUSE we are a REPUBLIC!

“it shows contempt for the democratic process. T. Friedman.” BECAUSE we are a REPUBLIC! Even when one party has a majority doesn’t mean the minority is VOID.

What Republicans are doing is appropriate. OBAMACARE is a HUGE increase in public spending and because it’s not even fully in place it will certainly burden and place strain on our national deficit. These repeated CRs are doing nothing to help with our TRILLION dollar+ annual deficit and will cause your 4O1K (if you have one) or any cash you have to diminish to nothing. You don’t care, you’re old and dead soon, but your children, great grandchildren and great great grandchildren will resent YOU because YOU allowed the government to burden them with your over priced government owned medical bills.

The future of America is on the line, and that’s why parties don’t matter, because the two parties have contributed to the mess!
Ben Gleck

Oriskany Falls, NY

#11184 Oct 9, 2013
Respect71 wrote:
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“So, you know how to Google, great! Now if only you could make sense of it.” I learned that in College; thankfully not at the one you taught “public activism as a career”.
“Of course some of the founding fathers were in favor of abolition.” In addition to our Country they initiated the abolition movement. Thank God!
“But, even many of those kept slaves till the day they died. Including Jefferson, and If my memory serves me Washington. He only freed his slaves upon his own death.(when he was personally done with them. Even one day of slavery is a long time.`The fact still remains that many of the founding fathers kept slaves of their own , for their profit and pleasure. If any of them felt strongly about the immorality of it, they could have set them free.” They did and they did, so, therefore, what?
“And a little pay for their back breaking labor would have been appropriate.” You don’t think Washington did this? That’s why you’re not a History teacher.
The point is (whether a minority of the Founding Fathers owned slaves or not) the Founding Fathers started the abolition movement. Had they not you would be whipping your little slave right now.
Thank God that it only took a little over one hundred years to abolish thousands of years of a bad social practice. It could have taken a lot longer.
“You are a child.” You are an old socialist.
“If Democracy means anything it means that, if you are out voted, you accept the results and prepare for the next election.” These United States are a republic, with democratic processes.
“Republicans are refusing to do that.” BECAUSE we are a REPUBLIC!
“it shows contempt for the democratic process. T. Friedman.” BECAUSE we are a REPUBLIC! Even when one party has a majority doesn’t mean the minority is VOID.
What Republicans are doing is appropriate. OBAMACARE is a HUGE increase in public spending and because it’s not even fully in place it will certainly burden and place strain on our national deficit. These repeated CRs are doing nothing to help with our TRILLION dollar+ annual deficit and will cause your 4O1K (if you have one) or any cash you have to diminish to nothing. You don’t care, you’re old and dead soon, but your children, great grandchildren and great great grandchildren will resent YOU because YOU allowed the government to burden them with your over priced government owned medical bills.
The future of America is on the line, and that’s why parties don’t matter, because the two parties have contributed to the mess!
You claim that you learned the above in college. But, that in no way was authored by you. You copied that ver batum., most likely by googling. That is further proof that you are a lying sack of crap. but, we've already established that. Yes a few, very few, set their slaves free but, most kept them. If they were the pure of heart humanitarians that you claim they were, they had every opportunity to set them free. They did not. It does NOT take seventy years to set a person free. One can do it in a minute. I admire the founding fathers for their courage and their brilliance but, they many of them were slave owners. My point here is that you can't see things in their totality . You are dogmatic in your thinking. Everything is either black or white, good or bad. That is what makes you incredibly stupid. The Republican party is being destroyed by catering to stooges like you.
What the Republicans are doing is tantamount to sedition. While you are googling try the U.S. Constitution.(18 U.S.C.#2384) Seditious Conspiracy...It is a crime under US law, as follows:....to prevent, hinder,or delay the execution of ANY LAW of the U.S.....They shall be fined or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both. So that's what your constitution has to say about your Tea Party stooges and their attempt to derail the A.C.A. You are becoming increasingly shrill and strident . That's because your imbicilic world view is crumbling. Thank God!

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#11185 Oct 9, 2013
Ben Gleck wrote:
<quoted text> You claim that you learned the above in college. But, that in no way was authored by you. You copied that ver batuion. While you are googling try the U.S. Constitution.(18 U.S.C.#2384) Seditious Conspiracy...It is a crime under US law, as follows:....to prevent, hinder,or delay the execution of ANY LAW of the U.S.....They shall be fined or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both. So that's what your constitution has to say about your Tea Party stooges and their attempt to derail the A.C.A. You are becoming increasingly shrill and strident . That's because your imbicilic world view is crumbling. Thank God!
“You claim that you learned the above in college. But, that in no way was authored by you. You copied that ver batum., most likely by googling.” LOL google… go see what you find. Nothing like that on google.

“That is further proof that you are a lying sack of crap.” The only reson you call me a liar is to distract from my words as truth… That’s what leftist socialists do because they haven’t any arguments against the facts.

“but, we've already established that.” We have established you’re a socialist and I am an American.

“Yes a few, very few, set their slaves free but, most kept them.” So what?

“If they were the pure of heart humanitarians that you claim they were, they had every opportunity to set them free. They did not.” I didn’t “claim they were, they had every opportunity to set them free. They did not.” You did. I claim they forced the ball to roll towards antislavery, and showed the evidence. You ignore these facts. But we have all experienced your ignorance in your posts.

“It does NOT take seventy years to set a person free.” It does when all of human history was immersed in the practice of it.

“One can do it in a minute.” Really, yet you haven’t shown one time in History where it was done in a minute.

“I admire the founding fathers for their courage and their brilliance but, they many of them were slave owners.” Again, so what?

“My point here is that you can't see things in their totality .” I showed you the “totality” yet you ignored it.

“You are dogmatic in your thinking. Everything is either black or white, good or bad. That is what makes you incredibly stupid.” That’s not true… My stand on the Founding Fathers is proof of that… I accept the bad with the good, and realize that more GOOD came from our founding that the BAD that they came from, something that still live in America today, out side of people like yourself.

“The Republican party is being destroyed by catering to stooges like you.” America is the most IMPORTANT nation in the world, party doesn’t matter.

“What the Republicans are doing is tantamount to sedition. While you are googling try the U.S. Constitution.(18 U.S.C.#2384) Seditious Conspiracy...It is a crime under US law, as follows:....to prevent, hinder,or delay the execution of ANY LAW of the U.S.....They shall be fined or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.” I challenge you to show us all SPECIFICALLY what they are doing is just that! You better cite your source (something not built by leftist anti-Americans)because that a BIG claim for a small mind.

“So that's what your constitution has to say about your Tea Party stooges and their attempt to derail the A.C.A. You are becoming increasingly shrill and strident .” Again, name calling doesn’t change the facts.

“That's because your imbicilic world view is crumbling. Thank God!” Thank God, for who He is over me and especially you…

Interesting you can’t respond to any of the funding concerns… Oh but that’s because your great great grandkids get stuff with your spending, leaving them with nothing!

America striving to reach long term, not to fall at the cost of your overpriced, government controlled, colonoscopy.
Ben Gleck

Oriskany Falls, NY

#11186 Oct 9, 2013
Respect71 wrote:
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“You claim that you learned the above in college. But, that in no way was authored by you. You copied that ver batum., most likely by googling.” LOL google… go see what you find. Nothing like that on google.
“That is further proof that you are a lying sack of crap.” The only reson you call me a liar is to distract from my words as truth… That’s what leftist socialists do because they haven’t any arguments against the facts.
“but, we've already established that.” We have established you’re a socialist and I am an American.
“Yes a few, very few, set their slaves free but, most kept them.” So what?
“If they were the pure of heart humanitarians that you claim they were, they had every opportunity to set them free. They did not.” I didn’t “claim they were, they had every opportunity to set them free. They did not.” You did. I claim they forced the ball to roll towards antislavery, and showed the evidence. You ignore these facts. But we have all experienced your ignorance in your posts.
“It does NOT take seventy years to set a person free.” It does when all of human history was immersed in the practice of it.
“One can do it in a minute.” Really, yet you haven’t shown one time in History where it was done in a minute.
“I admire the founding fathers for their courage and their brilliance but, they many of them were slave owners.” Again, so what?
“My point here is that you can't see things in their totality .” I showed you the “totality” yet you ignored it.
“You are dogmatic in your thinking. Everything is either black or white, good or bad. That is what makes you incredibly stupid.” That’s not true… My stand on the Founding Fathers is proof of that… I accept the bad with the good, and realize that more GOOD came from our founding that the BAD that they came from, something that still live in America today, out side of people like yourself.
“The Republican party is being destroyed by catering to stooges like you.” America is the most IMPORTANT nation in the world, party doesn’t matter.
“What the Republicans are doing is tantamount to sedition. While you are googling try the U.S. Constitution.(18 U.S.C.#2384) Seditious Conspiracy...It is a crime under US law, as follows:....to prevent, hinder,or delay the execution of ANY LAW of the U.S.....They shall be fined or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.” I challenge you to show us all SPECIFICALLY what they are doing is just that! You better cite your source (something not built by leftist anti-Americans)because that a BIG claim for a small mind.
“So that's what your constitution has to say about your Tea Party stooges and their attempt to derail the A.C.A. You are becoming increasingly shrill and strident .” Again, name calling doesn’t change the facts.
“That's because your imbicilic world view is crumbling. Thank God!” Thank God, for who He is over me and especially you…
Interesting you can’t respond to any of the funding concerns… Oh but that’s because your great great grandkids get stuff with your spending, leaving them with nothing!
America striving to reach long term, not to fall at the cost of your overpriced, government controlled, colonoscopy.
I sited my source Dummy. It's the U.S. constitution. Are you going to argue that the Republicans in congress are not "preventing,"hinderi ng, and delaying a U.S. Law? That's exactly what they are doing. And you are supporting their efforts. Making you the "Un American" LOL>>LOL>>>LOL >>> And you did not write that stuff about slavery etc. You're a lying sack of sh#t and you are defying the U.S. Constitution. Shame on you.
Ben Gleck

Oriskany Falls, NY

#11187 Oct 9, 2013
Ben Gleck wrote:
<quoted text>I sited my source Dummy. It's the U.S. constitution. Are you going to argue that the Republicans in congress are not "preventing,"hinderi ng, and delaying a U.S. Law? That's exactly what they are doing. And you are supporting their efforts. Making you the "Un American" LOL>>LOL>>>LOL >>> And you did not write that stuff about slavery etc. You're a lying sack of sh#t and you are defying the U.S. Constitution. Shame on you.
Hey where's that Bible thumping DULLARD? He can't get around the fact that his boys are trashing the constitution , by delaying,preventing, and hindering the execution of the ACA, which is a US law. I think we should go down there and grab that blubbering cry baby John Boehner by his scrawny little neck and make a citizens arrest. Who's with me on this?
Toad patrol

United States

#11188 Oct 9, 2013
Ben Gleck wrote:
<quoted text> Who's with me on this?
Only your 4 alternate egos. Glad you consider it a "law" despite its circumvention of laws LMAO!! Many "laws" have been repealed. Watch how fast that one gets yoked now that Hillary is in the dumps and won't be doing any runs for office now.
Ben Gleck

Oriskany Falls, NY

#11189 Oct 9, 2013
Toad patrol wrote:
<quoted text>Only your 4 alternate egos. Glad you consider it a "law" despite its circumvention of laws LMAO!! Many "laws" have been repealed. Watch how fast that one gets yoked now that Hillary is in the dumps and won't be doing any runs for office now.
It is a law, numb nutz. It was authored by republicans, implemented by a republican(Romney), passed bothe houses , was signed by the president, and was found constitutional by the supreme court. Where have you been. OH, I know you had your head up Rush Limbaugh's ass. It's hard to see like that.
Toad patrol

United States

#11190 Oct 9, 2013
Ben Gleck wrote:
<quoted text>It is a law, numb nutz.
So was slavery you stupidfucking clueless libtardasshole LMAO! Where are you losers trying to go with THAT? Hahahah!

Cindy Vinson and Tom Waschura are big believers in the Affordable Care Act. They vote independent and are proud to say they helped elect and re-elect President Barack Obama.

Yet, like many other Bay Area residents who pay for their own medical insurance, they were floored last week when they opened their bills: Their policies were being replaced with pricier plans that conform to all the requirements of the new health care law.

Vinson, of San Jose, will pay $1,800 more a year for an individual policy, while Waschura, of Portola Valley, will cough up almost $10,000 more for insurance for his family of four.

"Welcome to the club," said Robert Laszewksi, a prominent health care consultant and president of Health Policy and Strategy Associates in Virginia.

For years, the nation has been embroiled in the political rhetoric of "Obamacare," but this past week the reality of the new law sank in as millions of Americans had their first good look at how the 3&#65279; 1/2-year-old legislation will affect their pocketbooks.

This much quickly became clear:

As state- and federal-run health insurance exchanges debuted across the country offering a range of prices for different tiers of insurance coverage, the new online marketplaces -- which represent the centerpiece of Obamacare -- could greatly benefit more than 40 million Americans who now lack coverage. But an additional 16 million -- who buy individual health insurance policies on the open market -- are finding out that their plans may not comply with the new law, which requires 10 essential benefits such as maternity care, mental health care and prescription drug coverage.

In California, 1.9 million people buy plans on the open market, according to officials with Covered California, the state's new health insurance exchange. And many of them are steaming mad.

http://www.mercurynews.com/nation-world/ci_24...
Toad patrol

United States

#11191 Oct 9, 2013
"There's going to be a number of people surprised" by their bills, said Jonathan Wu, a co-founder of ValuePenguin, a consumer finance website. "The upper-middle class are the people who are essentially being asked to foot the bill, and that's true across the country."

Covered California spokesman Dana Howard maintained that in public presentations the exchange has always made clear that there will be winners and losers under Obamacare.

"Some people will see an increase who are already on the individual market purchasing insurance," he said, "but most people will not."

Covered California officials note that at least 570,000 of the 1.9 million people who buy their own insurance should be eligible for subsidies that will reduce their premiums.

Even those who don't qualify for the tax subsidies could see their rates drop because Obamacare doesn't allow insurers to charge people more if they have pre-existing conditions such as diabetes and cancer, he said.

People like Marilynn Gray-Raine.

The 64-year-old Danville artist, who survived breast cancer, has purchased health insurance for herself for decades. She watched her Anthem Blue Cross monthly premiums rise from $317 in 2005 to $1,298 in 2013. But she found out last week from the Covered California site that her payments will drop to about $795 a month.

But people with no pre-existing conditions like Vinson, a 60-year-old retired teacher, and Waschura, a 52-year-old self-employed engineer, are making up the difference.

"I was laughing at Boehner -- until the mail came today," Waschura said, referring to House Speaker John Boehner, who is leading the Republican charge to defund Obamacare.

"I really don't like the Republican tactics, but at least now I can understand why they are so pissed about this. When you take $10,000 out of my family's pocket each year, that's otherwise disposable income or retirement savings that will not be going into our local economy."

Both Vinson and Waschura have adjusted gross incomes greater than four times the federal poverty level -- the cutoff for a tax credit. And while both said they anticipated their rates would go up, they didn't realize they would rise so much.

"Of course, I want people to have health care," Vinson said. "I just didn't realize I would be the one who was going to pay for it personally."
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Spoken like the typical libtard when they realize they've been duped by the psychos.
Ben Gleck

Oriskany Falls, NY

#11193 Oct 9, 2013
Toad patrol wrote:
<quoted text>So was slavery you stupidfucking clueless libtardasshole LMAO! Where are you losers trying to go with THAT? Hahahah!
Cindy Vinson and Tom Waschura are big believers in the Affordable Care Act. They vote independent and are proud to say they helped elect and re-elect President Barack Obama.
Yet, like many other Bay Area residents who pay for their own medical insurance, they were floored last week when they opened their bills: Their policies were being replaced with pricier plans that conform to all the requirements of the new health care law.
Vinson, of San Jose, will pay $1,800 more a year for an individual policy, while Waschura, of Portola Valley, will cough up almost $10,000 more for insurance for his family of four.
"Welcome to the club," said Robert Laszewksi, a prominent health care consultant and president of Health Policy and Strategy Associates in Virginia.
For years, the nation has been embroiled in the political rhetoric of "Obamacare," but this past week the reality of the new law sank in as millions of Americans had their first good look at how the 3&#65279; 1/2-year-old legislation will affect their pocketbooks.
This much quickly became clear:
As state- and federal-run health insurance exchanges debuted across the country offering a range of prices for different tiers of insurance coverage, the new online marketplaces -- which represent the centerpiece of Obamacare -- could greatly benefit more than 40 million Americans who now lack coverage. But an additional 16 million -- who buy individual health insurance policies on the open market -- are finding out that their plans may not comply with the new law, which requires 10 essential benefits such as maternity care, mental health care and prescription drug coverage.
In California, 1.9 million people buy plans on the open market, according to officials with Covered California, the state's new health insurance exchange. And many of them are steaming mad.
http://www.mercurynews.com/nation-world/ci_24...
If you don't stop foaming at the mouth, you're going to need health care for that stroke you're having.
Where do you get all this crap. The prices were actually 16% lower than predicted so far. I go to Mass. all the time. I never hear anyone complaining about Romney care. Which is the same thing. You're drowning in right wing propaganda. And it's all bullsh#t. The Republican party is self destructing. Hillary is going to stomp all over you clowns. Christy is the only sane candidate you have. But, he won't get the nomination. He's just not stupid and crazy enough to please you Tea Party whackos. You idiots fu#ked up the last election and it's only getting worse. So no one told you the A.C.A. is a law? Watch this week when the Republitards start dropping like flies. It's hilarious.
Toad patrol

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#11194 Oct 9, 2013
We see now who is foaming at the mouth LOOOOOOOL!!
Toad patrol

United States

#11195 Oct 9, 2013
I see you haven't been following the Hillary news if yo still think that she's going to stomp all over anyone but Huma!! LOOOOOL!

Another lunatic liberal rant!

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#11197 Oct 10, 2013
Ben Gleck wrote:
<quoted text>Hey where's that Bible thumping DULLARD? He can't get around the fact that his boys are trashing the constitution , by delaying,preventing, and hindering the execution of the ACA, which is a US law. I think we should go down there and grab that blubbering cry baby John Boehner by his scrawny little neck and make a citizens arrest. Who's with me on this?
Nice. If you don’t like our political process you can leave the Country… Sweden may take you, but my guess is you would like Greece the best!

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#11199 Oct 10, 2013
Ben Gleck wrote:
<quoted text>If you don't stop foaming at the mouth, you're going to need health care for that stroke you're having.
Where do you get all this crap. The prices were actually 16% lower than predicted so far. I go to Mass. all the time. I never hear anyone complaining about Romney care. Which is the same thing. You're drowning in right wing propaganda. And it's all bullsh#t. The Republican party is self destructing. Hillary is going to stomp all over you clowns. Christy is the only sane candidate you have. But, he won't get the nomination. He's just not stupid and crazy enough to please you Tea Party whackos. You idiots fu#ked up the last election and it's only getting worse. So no one told you the A.C.A. is a law? Watch this week when the Republitards start dropping like flies. It's hilarious.
“If you don't stop foaming at the mouth, you're going to need health care for that stroke you're having.“
I’m not the one ranting,“I think we should go down there and grab that blubbering cry baby John Boehner by his scrawny little neck and make a citizens arrest. Who's with me on this?”

“Where do you get all this crap. The prices were actually 16% lower than predicted so far.” That a government report AND it’s speculation… And you call me a stooge?
“I go to Mass. all the time. I never hear anyone complaining about Romney care. Which is the same thing.” Really, tell us all how state powers and federal powers are the SAME.
“You're drowning in right wing propaganda. And it's all bullsh#t. The Republican party is self destructing.” You’re a socialist drowning in bankrupting policies that, history shows us repeatedly fails. The fact that you have ZERO regard for your GREAT GREAT GRANDKIDS paying for your overspending policies NOW makes you despicable.
“Hillary is going to stomp all over you clowns.” You better hope her lies and failures don’t get in her way.
“Christy is the only sane candidate you have.” LOL… More example of your ignorance.
“But, he won't get the nomination.” FINALLY something you are correct about.
“He's just not stupid and crazy enough to please you Tea Party whackos. You idiots fu#ked up the last election and it's only getting worse.” That would be Obama’s IRS that hindered the election, but now that the Director retired it may take a little longer to sort that one out.

“So no one told you the A.C.A. is a law? Watch this week when the Republitards start dropping like flies. It's hilarious.” When socialists get all wordy and emotional I tend to let them throw their tantrum. ACA will LITERALLY be your demise… Ironic and sad.
Ben Gleck

Oriskany Falls, NY

#11200 Oct 10, 2013
Respect71 wrote:
<quoted text>
Nice. If you don’t like our political process you can leave the Country… Sweden may take you, but my guess is you would like Greece the best!
I like our political process. You're the one who supports the radicals who are trying to destroy it. I site the Constitution as my source and you tell me to get out of the country.
I fought against communism as a Marine. I have taken an oath to protect the Constitution. The A.C.A. passed both houses, was signed by the president, and was found constitutional by the Supreme Court.
You're the one that has a problem with the political system. If you are looking for a country with a weak central government and where religion is more important, I would suggest you check out Pakistan.

BTW , how come you never stepped up to serve your country? We've had no shortage of wars. thanks to your chicken hawk Republicans.
Are you deformed in some way? Or just chicken sh#t?

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#11201 Oct 10, 2013
Ben Gleck wrote:
<quoted text>I like our political process. You're the one who supports the radicals who are trying to destroy it. I site the Constitution as my source and you tell me to get out of the country.
I fought against communism as a Marine. I have taken an oath to protect the Constitution. The A.C.A. passed both houses, was signed by the president, and was found constitutional by the Supreme Court.
You're the one that has a problem with the political system. If you are looking for a country with a weak central government and where religion is more important, I would suggest you check out Pakistan.
BTW , how come you never stepped up to serve your country? We've had no shortage of wars. thanks to your chicken hawk Republicans.
Are you deformed in some way? Or just chicken sh#t?
“I like our political process. You're the one who supports the radicals who are trying to destroy it.” More examples of your public school skills failing you. There is no destruction going on outside of the annual trillion dollar deficit, and 17 trillion dollars spent that has to be paid back.
“I site the Constitution as my source and you tell me to get out of the country.” The problem is you “site” the Constitution” yet give NO specific examples of what they are doing.

“I fought against communism as a Marine. I have taken an oath to protect the Constitution “ And now you break your oath by supporting socialist policies that rape American of their liberties.
“The A.C.A. passed both houses, was signed by the president, and was found constitutional by the Supreme Court.” You are correct and that burden will increase our annual deficit and National debt which is already unsustainable.

“You're the one that has a problem with the political system.” I’m passionate about America and her system and I thank God for how the house is working in this situation. Americans are seeing how much this administration LIES to the general public… And remember the IRS and Benghazi hearings are still going on… But you hate to hear that don’t you>
“BTW , how come you never stepped up to serve your country?” I served better than you apparently… I volunteered, you were drafted.
“We've had no shortage of wars. thanks to your chicken hawk Republicans.” One word…. Syria.
“Are you deformed in some way? Or just chicken sh#t?” So why is it you don’t care about your children, grandchildren and great grandchildren?

You’re no American and the more we read your posts we can all “site” you’re for government and NOT America or her citizens.
Ben Gleck

Oriskany Falls, NY

#11202 Oct 10, 2013
Respect71 wrote:
<quoted text>
“I like our political process. You're the one who supports the radicals who are trying to destroy it.” More examples of your public school skills failing you. There is no destruction going on outside of the annual trillion dollar deficit, and 17 trillion dollars spent that has to be paid back.
“I site the Constitution as my source and you tell me to get out of the country.” The problem is you “site” the Constitution” yet give NO specific examples of what they are doing.
“I fought against communism as a Marine. I have taken an oath to protect the Constitution “ And now you break your oath by supporting socialist policies that rape American of their liberties.
“The A.C.A. passed both houses, was signed by the president, and was found constitutional by the Supreme Court.” You are correct and that burden will increase our annual deficit and National debt which is already unsustainable.
“You're the one that has a problem with the political system.” I’m passionate about America and her system and I thank God for how the house is working in this situation. Americans are seeing how much this administration LIES to the general public… And remember the IRS and Benghazi hearings are still going on… But you hate to hear that don’t you>
“BTW , how come you never stepped up to serve your country?” I served better than you apparently… I volunteered, you were drafted.
“We've had no shortage of wars. thanks to your chicken hawk Republicans.” One word…. Syria.
“Are you deformed in some way? Or just chicken sh#t?” So why is it you don’t care about your children, grandchildren and great grandchildren?
You’re no American and the more we read your posts we can all “site” you’re for government and NOT America or her citizens.
First off DUMMY, no one is drafted into the Marines. I enlisted in 1967. I was trained as an infantryman, and served in Viet Nam for thirteen months. Now tell us about your (according to you,) superior service. I'm sure it was heroic.
Let's get back to this act of sedition that you so vehemently support. Are you denying that the house Republicans are "preventing, hindering, and delaying the execution of a U.S. law?
It seems that you know very little about the Constitution. Because I am taking those words directly from the constitution.(18 U.S.C.#238) Look it up. I don't believe you will. Yo'll just keep making the same tedious reference to my public education. So educate me your holier than thouness. Are you a prep school boy? Your lefty momma must be so ashamed at how selfish and narrow minded you turned out. You should stop listening to sociapathic shock jocks on the radio and ask your Mom how the world works.
I can't wait to hear about your impressive military service. It must have been hell. LOL!

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