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“The World's Tallest Midget”

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Tristan da Cunha

#10767 Aug 1, 2013
Respect71 wrote:
<quoted text>
"… You, without consent, lined pockets of politicians and friends with a trillion dollar stimulus package with very little “shovel ready projects”, you purchased an auto company and lost tons of money, you invested BILLIONS into failed green energy companies, you now, whether you believe in abortion or not, have to pay for abortions, tea party groups were unable to fund because the IRS removed their rights to do so, and the NSA has all of your phone records without your consent.
You spoke about a loss of freedom and named no such thing:
- Stimulus package: how is that losing your rights?
- Auto bail out / green jobs: again, not losing your rights.
- paying for abortions: that is not new, been here since HW Bush
- IRS tea party: IRS audtied liberal groups too. Also the only group denied tax exempt status was a liberal group.
- NSA: Program was in place BEFORE Obama. It is in accodance with duly passed congressional law. It is reviwed by congress and federal judges constantly. I suppose you would have us review wire tap warrents of suspected terrorists in open court?

You are such a fool. Make's me sad.

You've lost no rights. You named some spending deciions you don't agree with and programs that have been in place for YEARS. That is it. Was starting the Iraq war a violation of rights because it was a bad investment? Price tag on that? I'll give you a hint. Go read a book called "The 4 Trillion Dollar War." The stimulus was peanuts next to that.

GOP Wastes $4 trillion....crickets, crickets.
Obama stimuls...I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK...STOP THE COMMIES!!!!!

Get a book, read a newspaper. You're not allowed to argue with adults anymore.

Learn something, then we'll talk.
evil connie

Cicero, NY

#10768 Aug 1, 2013
Funny how all Democrats abuse women:
Weiner, Spitzer, Clinton

The three perverts
evil connie

Cicero, NY

#10769 Aug 1, 2013
Vote Stpid elect a Dumbascrat
evil connie

Cicero, NY

#10770 Aug 1, 2013
Obama the do nothing failure of a President.

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#10771 Aug 1, 2013
evil commie wrote:
<quoted text>
Nice dodge. I'll try again.
True or False? Thomas Jefferson advocated for the governmental redistrobution of wealth by taxing the rich higher in proportion with their income, and not taxing the poor at all.
Wy is it so hard for you to say that?
Thomas Jefferson wrote: "Taxes should be continued by annual or biennial reenactments, because a constant hold by the nation of the strings of the public purse is a salutary restraint from which an honest government ought not to wish, nor a corrupt one to be permitted to be free." --Thomas Jefferson to John Wayles Eppes, 1813. ME 13:354

"No tax should ever be yielded for a longer term than that of the Congress wanting it except when pledged for the reimbursement of a loan." --Thomas Jefferson to John Wayles Eppes, 1813. ME 13:355

"I hope a tax will be preferred [to a loan which threatens to saddle us with a perpetual debt], because it will awaken the attention of the people and make reformation and economy the principle of the next election. The frequent recurrence of this chastening operation can alone restrain the propensity of governments to enlarge expense beyond income." --Thomas Jefferson to Albert Gallatin, 1820.

"I am for a government rigorously frugal and simple, applying all the possible savings of the public revenue to the discharge of the national debt; and not for a multiplication of officers and salaries merely to make partisans, and for increasing by every device the public debt on the principle of its being a public blessing." --Thomas Jefferson to Elbridge Gerry, 1799. ME 10:77
"As the doctrine is that a public debt is a public blessing, so [the chickens of the treasury] think a perpetual one is a perpetual blessing, and therefore wish to make it so large that we can never pay it off." --Thomas Jefferson to Nicholas Lewis, 1792. ME 8:325
"It is our principle to pay to a moment whatever we have engaged, and never to engage what we cannot, and mean not faithfully to pay." --Thomas Jefferson to Pierre Samuel Dupont de Nemours, 1803. ME 10:349
"The same prudence which in private life would forbid our paying our money for unexplained projects forbids it in the disposition of the public moneys." --Thomas Jefferson to Shelton Gilliam, 1808. ME 12:73
"I... place economy among the first and most important of republican virtues, and public debt as the greatest of the dangers to be feared." --Thomas Jefferson to William Plumer, 1816. ME 15:46

Today, and now, the issue is NOT taxation. Your point is meaningless.

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#10772 Aug 1, 2013
evil commie wrote:
<quoted text>
You spoke about a loss of freedom and named no such thing:
- Stimulus package: how is that losing your rights?
- Auto bail out / green jobs: again, not losing your rights.
- paying for abortions: that is not new, been here since HW Bush
- IRS tea party: IRS audtied liberal groups too. Also the only group denied tax exempt status was a liberal group.
- NSA: Program was in place BEFORE Obama. It is in accodance with duly passed congressional law. It is reviwed by congress and federal judges constantly. I suppose you would have us review wire tap warrents of suspected terrorists in open court?
You are such a fool. Make's me sad.
You've lost no rights. You named some spending deciions you don't agree with and programs that have been in place for YEARS. That is it. Was starting the Iraq war a violation of rights because it was a bad investment? Price tag on that? I'll give you a hint. Go read a book called "The 4 Trillion Dollar War." The stimulus was peanuts next to that.
GOP Wastes $4 trillion....crickets, crickets.
Obama stimuls...I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK...STOP THE COMMIES!!!!!
Get a book, read a newspaper. You're not allowed to argue with adults anymore.
Learn something, then we'll talk.
“You spoke about a loss of freedom and named no such thing:
- Stimulus package: how is that losing your rights?” Myself, my children, my grandchildren and great grandchildren are BOUND without choice to this debt.

“- Auto bail out / green jobs: again, not losing your rights.” A socialist program that myself, my children, my grandchildren and great grandchildren are BOUND without choice to this debt.

“- paying for abortions: that is not new, been here since HW Bush” GW Bush Banned it and Obama brought it back in the name of “WOMENS HEALTH” Regardless it strips me of my first amendment right.

“- IRS tea party: IRS audtied liberal groups too. Also the only group denied tax exempt status was a liberal group.” Not true, but regardless removes government overreach has removed the rights of it’s citizens to fund the groups as they see fit.

“- NSA: Program was in place BEFORE Obama. It is in accodance with duly passed congressional law. It is reviwed by congress and federal judges constantly. I suppose you would have us review wire tap warrents of suspected terrorists in open court?” It was too much before and the more that is revealed obama has taken it much further than before… YOUR records are UN-Constitutionally in their hands… AND to be clear the recent vote to shut it down was hindered not only by democrats but by GOP. They are just as much to blame.

“You are such a fool. Make's me sad.” I pray you weep until socialism is completely abolished in America and don’t think it won’t happen, because slavery was.

“You've lost no rights.” Obamacare will remove all right to healcare.
“You named some spending deciions you don't agree with and programs that have been in place for YEARS. That is it. Was starting the Iraq war a violation of rights because it was a bad investment? Price tag on that? I'll give you a hint. Go read a book called "The 4 Trillion Dollar War." The stimulus was peanuts next to that.” Thomas Jefferson wrote; “War requires every resource of taxation and credit.-- To General Washington. Washington ed. ii, 533. Ford ed., v, 57. Paris 1788

“GOP Wastes $4 trillion....crickets, crickets.” And Obama wasted 6 +

‘Obama stimuls...I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK...STOP THE COMMIES!!!!!

Get a book, read a newspaper. You're not allowed to argue with adults anymore.

Learn something, then we'll talk.” You’ve been schooled… You can move to one of the TOP TEN “freest” socialist Countries… America wasn’t founded for that.

“The World's Tallest Midget”

Level 3

Since: Jul 08

Tristan da Cunha

#10773 Aug 1, 2013
Respect71 wrote:
<quoted text>
Thomas Jefferson wrote: "Taxes should be continued by annual or biennial reenactments, because a constant hold by the nation of the strings of the public purse is a salutary restraint from which an honest government ought not to wish, nor a corrupt one to be permitted to be free." --Thomas Jefferson to John Wayles Eppes, 1813. ME 13:354
"No tax should ever be yielded for a longer term than that of the Congress wanting it except when pledged for the reimbursement of a loan." --Thomas Jefferson to John Wayles Eppes, 1813. ME 13:355
"I hope a tax will be preferred [to a loan which threatens to saddle us with a perpetual debt], because it will awaken the attention of the people and make reformation and economy the principle of the next election. The frequent recurrence of this chastening operation can alone restrain the propensity of governments to enlarge expense beyond income." --Thomas Jefferson to Albert Gallatin, 1820.
"I am for a government rigorously frugal and simple, applying all the possible savings of the public revenue to the discharge of the national debt; and not for a multiplication of officers and salaries merely to make partisans, and for increasing by every device the public debt on the principle of its being a public blessing." --Thomas Jefferson to Elbridge Gerry, 1799. ME 10:77
"As the doctrine is that a public debt is a public blessing, so [the chickens of the treasury] think a perpetual one is a perpetual blessing, and therefore wish to make it so large that we can never pay it off." --Thomas Jefferson to Nicholas Lewis, 1792. ME 8:325
"It is our principle to pay to a moment whatever we have engaged, and never to engage what we cannot, and mean not faithfully to pay." --Thomas Jefferson to Pierre Samuel Dupont de Nemours, 1803. ME 10:349
"The same prudence which in private life would forbid our paying our money for unexplained projects forbids it in the disposition of the public moneys." --Thomas Jefferson to Shelton Gilliam, 1808. ME 12:73
"I... place economy among the first and most important of republican virtues, and public debt as the greatest of the dangers to be feared." --Thomas Jefferson to William Plumer, 1816. ME 15:46
Today, and now, the issue is NOT taxation. Your point is meaningless.
How cute!

I'm patting myself on the back. I forced you to educate yourself with original sources. Granted you just fired off a google search and have no context or scholarly background to fully appreciate the scope, background and nature of the letters...but I think we're on the right path. Let me guess...you are reading those for the first time? What point exactly refutes my argument?

By the way...were you good at dodge ball as a kid? You love to duck, dive and dart away from a straight forward question.

I'll ask for the 5th time. True or false: Jefferson advocated redistribution of wealth through progressive taxation. AKA take from the rich and give it to the poor.

True of False?

Every time you dodge it just further paints you as an ideologue. You don't care about truth...you care about preservation of an ideology.

?????

“The World's Tallest Midget”

Level 3

Since: Jul 08

Tristan da Cunha

#10774 Aug 1, 2013
Respect71 wrote:
<quoted text>
Myself, my children, my grandchildren and great grandchildren are BOUND without choice to this debt.

“- Auto bail out / green jobs: again, not losing your rights.” A socialist program that myself, my children, my grandchildren and great grandchildren are BOUND without choice to this debt.
So....if someone creates an under unfunded program whereby your kids have to pay for it that is the loss of freedom?

- WWII
- Korea
- Vietnam
- Gulf War 2 (we actually made money of the first war)
- medicare part D
- the entire FEDERAL budget every single year since 1970 with the exception of Clinton's 1997 budget was in the red. We ALL are bound to pay that off.

So is your point that government in general takes freedom? IF so I agree. But I'll take that to no government at all.

You have no point. Being bound to pay debt is called being a citizen.

Did you finish college? For real..I am detecting a real low level, knee jerk argument here. Nothing thoughtful or well thought out about it. I am 100% serious. Either you only have a high school degree or you're still in high school.

Thank you and good night.

Evil Commie wins! Evil Commie wins!!!!

In other news the sky is blue..

See you all later...I have job. I can't screw off on topix all day.

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Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#10776 Aug 2, 2013
evil commie wrote:
<quoted text>
How cute!
I'm patting myself on the back. I forced you to educate yourself with original sources. Granted you just fired off a google search and have no context or scholarly background to fully appreciate the scope, background and nature of the letters...but I think we're on the right path. Let me guess...you are reading those for the first time? What point exactly refutes my argument?
By the way...were you good at dodge ball as a kid? You love to duck, dive and dart away from a straight forward question.
I'll ask for the 5th time. True or false: Jefferson advocated redistribution of wealth through progressive taxation. AKA take from the rich and give it to the poor.
True of False?
Every time you dodge it just further paints you as an ideologue. You don't care about truth...you care about preservation of an ideology.
?????
“I'm patting myself on the back. I forced you to educate yourself with original sources. Granted you just fired off a google search and have no context or scholarly background to fully appreciate the scope, background and nature of the letters...but I think we're on the right path. Let me guess...you are reading those for the first time? What point exactly refutes my argument?“ Your argument is void... The income tax system is progressive, or are you trying to argue that Jefferson was a socialist like you? Which, based on his writings, is not the case.

“By the way...were you good at dodge ball as a kid? You love to duck, dive and dart away from a straight forward question.“ I don’t appreciate liberal “bait and switch” tactics. It’s not progressive or productive, it’s childish.

“I'll ask for the 5th time. True or false: Jefferson advocated redistribution of wealth through progressive taxation. AKA take from the rich and give it to the poor.” LOL… There you go… FALSE

“Every time you dodge it just further paints you as an ideologue. You don't care about truth...you care about preservation of an ideology.” I am an a American you are a Socialist… My Ideals and values, like Jefferson’s, bring life, liberty, happiness and prosperity; your ideals destroy, demean, and ruin societies.

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Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#10777 Aug 2, 2013
evil commie wrote:
<quoted text>
So....if someone creates an under unfunded program whereby your kids have to pay for it that is the loss of freedom?
- WWII
- Korea
- Vietnam
- Gulf War 2 (we actually made money of the first war)
- medicare part D
- the entire FEDERAL budget every single year since 1970 with the exception of Clinton's 1997 budget was in the red. We ALL are bound to pay that off.
So is your point that government in general takes freedom? IF so I agree. But I'll take that to no government at all.
You have no point. Being bound to pay debt is called being a citizen.
Did you finish college? For real..I am detecting a real low level, knee jerk argument here. Nothing thoughtful or well thought out about it. I am 100% serious. Either you only have a high school degree or you're still in high school.
Thank you and good night.
Evil Commie wins! Evil Commie wins!!!!
In other news the sky is blue..
See you all later...I have job. I can't screw off on topix all day.
“So....if someone creates an under unfunded program whereby your kids have to pay for it that is the loss of freedom?

- WWII
- Korea
- Vietnam
- Gulf War 2 (we actually made money of the first war)
- medicare part D
- the entire FEDERAL budget every single year since 1970 with the exception of Clinton's 1997 budget was in the red. We ALL are bound to pay that off.” So what? That makes it right?

“So is your point that government in general takes freedom? IF so I agree. But I'll take that to no government at all.“ No one is calling for “no government”

“You have no point. Being bound to pay debt is called being a citizen.” When did Jefferson say that?

“Did you finish college? For real..I am detecting a real low level, knee jerk argument here. Nothing thoughtful or well thought out about it. I am 100% serious. Either you only have a high school degree or you're still in high school.” <there is nothing well thought out or scholarly about this statement. It’s funny how you have no answer to OBAMACARE.

Let’s see if you can answer a direct question: What part of OBAMACARE affords each and every American their natural God given rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?

“The World's Tallest Midget”

Level 3

Since: Jul 08

Tristan da Cunha

#10778 Aug 2, 2013
Respect71 wrote:
<quoted text>
“I'll ask for the 5th time. True or false: Jefferson advocated redistribution of wealth through progressive taxation. AKA take from the rich and give it to the poor.” LOL… There you go… FALSE
Jefferson said: "Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions or property in geometrical progression as they rise."

Either you are functionally illiterate or you incapable of admitting you're wrong. There is no 3rd option.

It is not worthwhile to argue with either. To what end? I've proven you wrong in black and white. No evidence, no matter who great will move you off your ideology. You're lost.

Tony Blair called ideology a substitute for thought. I think he was right. Must be nice. You let your ideology be your touchstone, I'll stick with reality.
Ben Gleck

Oriskany Falls, NY

#10779 Aug 2, 2013
evil commie wrote:
<quoted text>
Jefferson said: "Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions or property in geometrical progression as they rise."
Either you are functionally illiterate or you incapable of admitting you're wrong. There is no 3rd option.
It is not worthwhile to argue with either. To what end? I've proven you wrong in black and white. No evidence, no matter who great will move you off your ideology. You're lost.
Tony Blair called ideology a substitute for thought. I think he was right. Must be nice. You let your ideology be your touchstone, I'll stick with reality.
Mark Twain said that it's a waste of time arguing with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.Just listen to the Glenn beck show one time, and you will understand just what kind of idiot you're trying to reason with here. What are you a Jack Ass whisperer?

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Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#10780 Aug 3, 2013
evil commie wrote:
<quoted text>
Jefferson said: "Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions or property in geometrical progression as they rise."
Either you are functionally illiterate or you incapable of admitting you're wrong. There is no 3rd option.
It is not worthwhile to argue with either. To what end? I've proven you wrong in black and white. No evidence, no matter who great will move you off your ideology. You're lost.
Tony Blair called ideology a substitute for thought. I think he was right. Must be nice. You let your ideology be your touchstone, I'll stick with reality.
You asked,“True or false: Jefferson advocated redistribution of wealth through progressive taxation. AKA take from the rich and give it to the poor.” Now you posted Jefferson, "Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions or property in geometrical progression as they rise." Therefore the answer to your question is FALSE! NOTHING in his statement even implies “take from the rich and give it to the poor.” Apparently you are the one who is “functionally illiterate or you incapable of admitting you're wrong.”

The definition of equalitarianism of today is nowhere near what it meant in Jefferson’s time.

“It is not worthwhile to argue with either.” Agreed! The top 5% of Americans pay 60% of the federal income, and almost 50% of Americans pay no income tax at all. We have what you want until OBAMACARE kicks in essentially forcing poor and middle-class Americans to pay for healthcare.

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Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#10781 Aug 3, 2013
Ben Gleck wrote:
<quoted text>Mark Twain said that it's a waste of time arguing with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.Just listen to the Glenn beck show one time, and you will understand just what kind of idiot you're trying to reason with here. What are you a Jack Ass whisperer?
And your intelligence is base on what? Your language?“What are you a Jack Ass whisperer?”
Hysterical.

You’ll learn something if you stick around.

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Since: May 11

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#10782 Aug 3, 2013
Jeremy wrote:
A healthy, educated, society solves almost all other socio-political issues. Our resources as a nation should be devoted to these two things. All the money we spend on military is a waste. No country is attacking America with our nuclear arsenal. Our military is used to protect multi-national business interest that is all. Hang a yellow ribbon, BPs oilfields have been defended...errr I mean freedom has been spread!
Wow. More rare signs of intelligent life here....
OnlyPatchWork

Brewster, NY

#10783 Aug 3, 2013
Respect71 wrote:
<quoted text>
You asked,“True or false: Jefferson advocated redistribution of wealth through progressive taxation. AKA take from the rich and give it to the poor.” Now you posted Jefferson, "Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions or property in geometrical progression as they rise." Therefore the answer to your question is FALSE! NOTHING in his statement even implies “take from the rich and give it to the poor.” Apparently you are the one who is “functionally illiterate or you incapable of admitting you're wrong.”
The definition of equalitarianism of today is nowhere near what it meant in Jefferson’s time.
“It is not worthwhile to argue with either.” Agreed! The top 5% of Americans pay 60% of the federal income, and almost 50% of Americans pay no income tax at all. We have what you want until OBAMACARE kicks in essentially forcing poor and middle-class Americans to pay for healthcare.
Taxes harm the poor.

I mean especially property tax

It is difficult for poor to be able to pay both a mortgage & property tax at once.

Property tax raises the price on rents significantly!!!

“The World's Tallest Midget”

Level 3

Since: Jul 08

Tristan da Cunha

#10784 Aug 3, 2013
Respect71 wrote:
<quoted text>
You asked,“True or false: Jefferson advocated redistribution of wealth through progressive taxation. AKA take from the rich and give it to the poor.” Now you posted Jefferson, "Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions or property in geometrical progression as they rise." Therefore the answer to your question is FALSE! NOTHING in his statement even implies “take from the rich and give it to the poor.”
Wow...I'll keep prolonging this because you are coming apart more and more with each desperate reply.

Let's take the first part of the TJ quote " "Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property..."

In modern speak that means "one way to decrease the gap between the rich and poor..." focus in on the words "means of silently lessening..."

Now what are the means of narrowing the gap between rich and poor "take from the rich but leave the poor alone."

I guess the leap you couldn't make is that once the money was taken from the rich people (remember the poor pay nothing) it was used to lessen the gap between the rich and the poor. So that money, through free or reduced services, or handouts etc...would be used to narrow the gap.

That is redistribution...PERIOD. Take from the rich, spend it on the poor, for the benefit of the poor.

Here...try this http://www.ehow.com/how_8359305_ged-through-m...

“The World's Tallest Midget”

Level 3

Since: Jul 08

Tristan da Cunha

#10785 Aug 3, 2013
Put it this way. Once TJ took money only from the rich...what do you supposed he did with it to lessen the gap between the rich and poor?
OnlyPatchWork

Brewster, NY

#10786 Aug 3, 2013
evil connie wrote:
Funny how all Democrats abuse women:
Weiner, Spitzer, Clinton
The three perverts
Yeah all 3 of these sickos live in New York State.

All 3 sex cases involved a Jew

Weiner & Spitzer are 2 Jews
&
Monica Lewinsky was a Jew to Clinton

Level 6

Since: Oct 10

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#10787 Aug 3, 2013
OnlyPatchWork wrote:
<quoted text>Taxes harm the poor.

I mean especially property tax

It is difficult for poor to be able to pay both a mortgage & property tax at once.

Property tax raises the price on rents significantly!!!
Fact. The poor pay no federal tax and very little taxes otherwise.

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