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“The World's Tallest Midget”

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Tristan da Cunha

#10742 Jul 30, 2013
Respect71 wrote:
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... understand that socialism, consolidates power to government, trusts that government knows what’s best, removes choice from its people, attempts to redistribute wealth....it’s the patriots and tea party who understand and defined our Constitution against people like you who hate liberty and desire control over...
blah blah blah. Was that an automatic "tea party letter generator" you used to write that?

Redistribute wealth? I still haven't heard a convincing argument on that point. All taxes redistribute wealth. That is what taxes do. Our founders would be fine with that.

I like progressive taxes. The rich make more, let them pay more. I bet Thomas Jefferson would agree with me on that. Do you disagree? Do you really think progessive taxation is socialism?

“The World's Tallest Midget”

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Tristan da Cunha

#10743 Jul 30, 2013
They would support progressive taxation of any kind. The principle of taxing the rich more is not antithetical to the ideals of the revolution.

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#10744 Jul 30, 2013
evil commie wrote:
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blah blah blah. Was that an automatic "tea party letter generator" you used to write that?
Redistribute wealth? I still haven't heard a convincing argument on that point. All taxes redistribute wealth. That is what taxes do. Our founders would be fine with that.
I like progressive taxes. The rich make more, let them pay more. I bet Thomas Jefferson would agree with me on that. Do you disagree? Do you really think progessive taxation is socialism?
“blah blah blah. Was that an automatic "tea party letter generator" you used to write that?” Sigh.

“Redistribute wealth? I still haven't heard a convincing argument on that point. All taxes redistribute wealth. That is what taxes do. Our founders would be fine with that.” Doubtful… or the 16th amendment would have been instated at the founding… It was not.

“I like progressive taxes. The rich make more, let them pay more. I bet Thomas Jefferson would agree with me on that.” Again… doubtful.

“Do you disagree?” I do.
“Do you really think progessive taxation is socialism?” Especially now it is with the looming threat of social health care removing the fundamental rights of it’s citizens… We all know you love socialism but it doesn’t work in American society.

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#10745 Jul 30, 2013
evil commie wrote:
They would support progressive taxation of any kind. The principle of taxing the rich more is not antithetical to the ideals of the revolution.
Currently it’s not about taxation, it’s about how the funds are being misused and abused… 17 trillion dollars in debt… That’s NOT promoting the general welfare of people with unalienable right from God.

“The World's Tallest Midget”

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Tristan da Cunha

#10746 Jul 30, 2013
Respect71 wrote:
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"the 16th amendment would have been instated at the founding… It was not."
The primary revenue for the FED GOV at the founding was the tarriff. We're talking 90% of all revenue. But as you know free trade is the new norm. I say bring back the tarriff, you just have to convince 99% of the GOP and about 75% of the DNC to agree.

“The World's Tallest Midget”

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Tristan da Cunha

#10747 Jul 30, 2013
Respect71 wrote:
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“I like progressive taxes. The rich make more, let them pay more. I bet Thomas Jefferson would agree with me on that.” Again… doubtful.
“Do you disagree?” I do.
Too easy. I think you are the victim of a very parochial education, I mean that. You really go beyond what you read in a few paragraphs in text book and the Federalist / anti-Federalist papers. Read the letters the founders sent to each other, the minutes from the delegates at the constitutional convention.

Here is a letter from Thomas Jefferson to James Madison while Jefferson was in France.

http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/do...

"I am conscious that an equal division of property is impracticable, but the consequences of this enormous inequality producing so much misery to the bulk of mankind, legislators cannot invent too many devices for subdividing property, only taking care to let their subdivisions go hand in hand with the natural affections of the human mind...

He goes on "Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions or property in geometrical progression as they rise."

That is a progressive tax. The poor would pay nothing, the rich would pay more in proportion to their wealth. I had to chop it up to fit it in. I encourage you to read the entire letter. My guess is you will argue this was a specific argument for landless peasants etc...but you would of course be wrong.

I can also provide similar letters from Thomas Paine as well as others. Paine was also an advocate for a heavy death tax and that money would be used to give to the poor to give them a shot at life.

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#10748 Jul 30, 2013
evil commie wrote:
<quoted text>The primary revenue for the FED GOV at the founding was the tarriff. We're talking 90% of all revenue. But as you know free trade is the new norm. I say bring back the tarriff, you just have to convince 99% of the GOP and about 75% of the DNC to agree.
Right

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#10749 Jul 30, 2013
evil commie wrote:
<quoted text>Too easy. I think you are the victim of a very parochial education, I mean that. You really go beyond what you read in a few paragraphs in text book and the Federalist / anti-Federalist papers. Read the letters the founders sent to each other, the minutes from the delegates at the constitutional convention.

Here is a letter from Thomas Jefferson to James Madison while Jefferson was in France.

http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/do...

"I am conscious that an equal division of property is impracticable, but the consequences of this enormous inequality producing so much misery to the bulk of mankind, legislators cannot invent too many devices for subdividing property, only taking care to let their subdivisions go hand in hand with the natural affections of the human mind...

He goes on "Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions or property in geometrical progression as they rise."

That is a progressive tax. The poor would pay nothing, the rich would pay more in proportion to their wealth. I had to chop it up to fit it in. I encourage you to read the entire letter. My guess is you will argue this was a specific argument for landless peasants etc...but you would of course be wrong.

I can also provide similar letters from Thomas Paine as well as others. Paine was also an advocate for a heavy death tax and that money would be used to give to the poor to give them a shot at life.
I've read them. And as I said before the problem isn't taxation.
Dude

Utica, NY

#10750 Jul 30, 2013
It is now official Obama admits he wasted the 1 trillion dollars of stimulus money he borrowed from China.

Housing market DOWN
unemployment UP

Obama failure and more failure.

For the 19th time Obama is not going to rest until he creates jobs? Another LIE as Obama s going on his upteenth vacation this month.

Obama equal failure
Obamination

Utica, NY

#10751 Jul 30, 2013
Home ownership in 18 year LOW.

Obama is a failure

“The World's Tallest Midget”

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Since: Jul 08

Tristan da Cunha

#10752 Jul 30, 2013
Dude wrote:
Housing market DOWN
unemployment UP
Obama failure and more failure.
Oh hey everyone...the town retard is back.

News flash professor. Housing is UP and unemployment is DOWN. What color is the sky in your world? It is a matter of fact.

Housing market heats up -- and it's just getting started: http://www.nbcnews.com/business/housing-marke...

home prices keep soaring: http://money.cnn.com/2013/07/30/news/economy/...

I don't think you've read one legit news story in 10 years. Did you hear the Iraq war ended? Did you hear Romney got his ass kicked by Obama?

“The World's Tallest Midget”

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Tristan da Cunha

#10754 Jul 31, 2013
Respect71 wrote:
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I've read them. And as I said before the problem isn't taxation.
Do you agree Jefferson advocated for progressive taxation? He wanted to take more from the rich and take nothing or next to nothing from the poor?

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#10755 Jul 31, 2013
evil commie wrote:
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Do you agree Jefferson advocated for progressive taxation? He wanted to take more from the rich and take nothing or next to nothing from the poor?
It doesn’t matter if I agrees or disagrees how Jefferson feels about taxation.
The fact is, America’s troubles will not be solved with taxation of ANY FORM, and therefore the discussion is meaningless.

“The World's Tallest Midget”

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Tristan da Cunha

#10756 Jul 31, 2013
Respect71 wrote:
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It doesn’t matter if I agrees or disagrees how Jefferson feels about taxation.
The fact is, America’s troubles will not be solved with taxation of ANY FORM, and therefore the discussion is meaningless.
WRONG.

You argue that "socialism" aka redistribution of wealth aka progressive taxation is what is ruining the US. I argue that progressive taxation aka redistribution of wealth has been here since the founding. The very framers of the Republic advocated for progressive taxation. I guess we should throw out the thoughts and teaching of the founders because it doesn't fit in with the narrative advocated by modern conservatism? Men like Paine and Jefferson advocate progressive taxation and deliberating attempting to narrow the gap between the rich and poor.

Why don't you tell us what great minds argue for a flat tax or a national sales tax in lieu of income tax? You, just as I, are anonymous online twits with no authority. I have Jefferson and Paine on my side. Who is it you have? Beck, Limbaugh and Hannity. All happen to be college drop outs but I'm sure that is just coincidence.

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#10757 Jul 31, 2013
evil commie wrote:
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WRONG.
You argue that "socialism" aka redistribution of wealth aka progressive taxation is what is ruining the US. I argue that progressive taxation aka redistribution of wealth has been here since the founding. The very framers of the Republic advocated for progressive taxation. I guess we should throw out the thoughts and teaching of the founders because it doesn't fit in with the narrative advocated by modern conservatism? Men like Paine and Jefferson advocate progressive taxation and deliberating attempting to narrow the gap between the rich and poor.
Why don't you tell us what great minds argue for a flat tax or a national sales tax in lieu of income tax? You, just as I, are anonymous online twits with no authority. I have Jefferson and Paine on my side. Who is it you have? Beck, Limbaugh and Hannity. All happen to be college drop outs but I'm sure that is just coincidence.
No… I argue socialism uses mass redistribution of wealth to support itself, which it cannot. That has NOTHING to do with progressive taxation.

“The very framers of the Republic advocated for progressive taxation.” NOT for massive welfare programs, food stamps, UNFUNDED social security, national health care, and certainly not for buying car companies dismantling them and selling parts overseas and allowing an industrial CITY to go bankrupt! And the Founders would absolutely NOT approve of a 17 trillion dollar debt to be paid by future generations.
“Why don't you tell us what great minds argue for a flat tax or a national sales tax in lieu of income tax? You, just as I, are anonymous online twits with no authority. I have Jefferson and Paine on my side. Who is it you have? Beck, Limbaugh and Hannity. All happen to be college drop outs but I'm sure that is just coincidence.” LOL… Youonly have emotional, small minded socialists on your side, and the more you bring it to light with your sad lies the more REAL Americans see what you have done to this Country…

The best socialist example our FAILING, socialist public schools. And believe me Americans are moving forward on vouchers to break up that piss moor mess.

“The World's Tallest Midget”

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Since: Jul 08

Tristan da Cunha

#10758 Jul 31, 2013
Respect71 wrote:
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No… I argue socialism uses mass redistribution of wealth to support itself, which it cannot. That has NOTHING to do with progressive taxation.
“The very framers of the Republic advocated for progressive taxation.” NOT for massive welfare programs, food stamps, UNFUNDED social security, national health care, and certainly not for buying car companies dismantling them and selling parts overseas and allowing an industrial CITY to go bankrupt! And the Founders would absolutely NOT approve of a 17 trillion dollar debt to be paid by future generations.
“Why don't you tell us what great minds argue for a flat tax or a national sales tax in lieu of income tax? You, just as I, are anonymous online twits with no authority. I have Jefferson and Paine on my side. Who is it you have? Beck, Limbaugh and Hannity. All happen to be college drop outs but I'm sure that is just coincidence.” LOL… Youonly have emotional, small minded socialists on your side, and the more you bring it to light with your sad lies the more REAL Americans see what you have done to this Country…
The best socialist example our FAILING, socialist public schools. And believe me Americans are moving forward on vouchers to break up that piss moor mess.
You are not capable of following an argument. Jefferson advocated narrowing the gap between the rich and poor by taxing the rich at a high rate and redistributing it for the commond good.

You simply name specific 19th and 20th century policies that were the mechanisms for narowing the gap as Jefferson intended.

You cannot cite one figure of importance to support your views. No founders, no framers, no enlightenment thinkers. Just your opinion and unhinged logic attacking spooky socialism.

Ask Americans if they like socialism they will so "no."

Ask Americans if they like public education, social security, meals for poor and hungry kids they will say "yes."

Americans are too ill informed to know they like socialsim; it's been here for generations.

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#10759 Jul 31, 2013
evil commie wrote:
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You are not capable of following an argument. Jefferson advocated narrowing the gap between the rich and poor by taxing the rich at a high rate and redistributing it for the commond good.
You simply name specific 19th and 20th century policies that were the mechanisms for narowing the gap as Jefferson intended.
You cannot cite one figure of importance to support your views. No founders, no framers, no enlightenment thinkers. Just your opinion and unhinged logic attacking spooky socialism.
Ask Americans if they like socialism they will so "no."
Ask Americans if they like public education, social security, meals for poor and hungry kids they will say "yes."
Americans are too ill informed to know they like socialsim; it's been here for generations.
“You are not capable of following an argument. Jefferson advocated narrowing the gap between the rich and poor by taxing the rich at a high rate and redistributing it for the commond good.” I am very capable, as well as capable of understanding when a person socialist uses American figure to push their agenda… Ready to call Jesus a socialist yet?

“You simply name specific 19th and 20th century policies that were the mechanisms for narowing the gap as Jefferson intended.

You cannot cite one figure of importance to support your views. No founders, no framers, no enlightenment thinkers. Just your opinion and unhinged logic attacking spooky socialism.” My rights come from God (“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”) and my Government should protect these rights “We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.” You don’t like this because that means LESS government than it’s current state.

“Ask Americans if they like socialism they will so "no."

Ask Americans if they like public education, social security, meals for poor and hungry kids they will say "yes."” Because socialists LIE about these programs placing FUTURE Americans in debt… Trust me more and more people are understanding these lies… Remember Obama’s promise to NOT raise taxes on the middle-class…. DASHED and SLASHED by Obamacare. Contrary to his and your thought, Americans can think for themselves.

“Americans are too ill informed to know they like socialsim; it's been here for generations.” Oh no, they know. They see their rights slipping fast because of our current socialist president.

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#10760 Jul 31, 2013
What a f.cking dope.
Jeremy

New York, NY

#10762 Jul 31, 2013
A healthy, educated, society solves almost all other socio-political issues. Our resources as a nation should be devoted to these two things. All the money we spend on military is a waste. No country is attacking America with our nuclear arsenal. Our military is used to protect multi-national business interest that is all. Hang a yellow ribbon, BPs oilfields have been defended...errr I mean freedom has been spread!

“The World's Tallest Midget”

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Tristan da Cunha

#10764 Aug 1, 2013
Respect71 wrote:
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They see their rights slipping fast because of our current socialist president.
Hahahaha! Yes, I've lost many rights under Obama. So many things have become illegal since that scary Black man took over.

Please enumerate the rights you've lost.

Can you just admit Jefferson wanted to spread the wealth? It is plain as day from his own words. I know it is inconvienient, but it happens to be true.

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