Mike Jones

Sauquoit, NY

#9980 Feb 20, 2013
Ben Gleck wrote:
<quoted text> Who said it was "free?" Of course it is paid for in tax dollars in these other countries. But, people don't mind because they are actually getting something for their money. The truth is the private sector has been doing a terrible job with health care here. It costs a fraction, in other countries, of what we pay here. Everyone gets care and almost no one wants it put back in the private sector. Our old system was choking the economy, and leaving millions out in the cold. the people hurt worst are the working poor. Obama's plan is an attempt to help those folks. Will it work? How the hell do I know. But, I don't believe it's some kind of nefarious socialist takeover. The right wing is lost in it's own bullsh#t. And they won't win an election till they get their heads out of their aszes.
I'm not talking about everywhere else I'm talking about the Affordable Care act here. My health insurance doubled this year. How does that help the working poor who now have to purchase a more expensive insurance package. Or the borderline working poor who are NOW working poor because the percentage of their income the benefits consumes?

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#9981 Feb 20, 2013
Ben Gleck wrote:
<quoted text> Who said it was "free?" Of course it is paid for in tax dollars in these other countries. But, people don't mind because they are actually getting something for their money. The truth is the private sector has been doing a terrible job with health care here. It costs a fraction, in other countries, of what we pay here. Everyone gets care and almost no one wants it put back in the private sector. Our old system was choking the economy, and leaving millions out in the cold. the people hurt worst are the working poor. Obama's plan is an attempt to help those folks. Will it work? How the hell do I know. But, I don't believe it's some kind of nefarious socialist takeover. The right wing is lost in it's own bullsh#t. And they won't win an election till they get their heads out of their aszes.
What you don't understand is our healthcare system is JACKED UP because of government regulations... How many laws are there for the healthcare industry from JUST the federal government alone? You donít know because the number is out of controlÖ Now with Obamacare thatís 2500+ pages of law and thatís supposed to help? The affordable care act has already driven up costs and itís not even fully implemented yet.

Now look at the history of government run health care just here in America. EVERY estimated cost the politicians would provide, the ACTUAL cost of their program cost many times more than original numbers. Obamacare will bankrupt the Country and you certainly will not get health care because your age out weighs the benefitsÖ You make your bed I suppose.

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#9982 Feb 20, 2013
Respect71 wrote:
<quoted text>
What you don't understand is our healthcare system is JACKED UP because of government regulations... How many laws are there for the healthcare industry from JUST the federal government alone? You donít know because the number is out of controlÖ Now with Obamacare thatís 2500+ pages of law and thatís supposed to help? The affordable care act has already driven up costs and itís not even fully implemented yet.
Now look at the history of government run health care just here in America. EVERY estimated cost the politicians would provide, the ACTUAL cost of their program cost many times more than original numbers. Obamacare will bankrupt the Country and you certainly will not get health care because your age out weighs the benefitsÖ You make your bed I suppose.
I really don't think you know what you're talking about. Obama care and Romney care are almost exactly the same thing. It seems to be working just fine in mass. And that's a big state. The affordable health care act was first authored by the Heritage foundation, the top conservative republican think tank, in the nineties. it was written as an alternative to the clinton health care plan. The idea was that the individual mandate would encourage self responsibility, a basic conservative principal. Only when Obama proposed it did the right wing crazies attempt to turn it into some kind of commie plot. You really don't seem to know anything about this issue. Maybe you should try another. Or don't you really know anything at all?
mike jones

Danielson, CT

#9983 Feb 20, 2013
Ben Gleck wrote:
<quoted text>I really don't think you know what you're talking about. Obama care and Romney care are almost exactly the same thing. It seems to be working just fine in mass. And that's a big state. The affordable health care act was first authored by the Heritage foundation, the top conservative republican think tank, in the nineties. it was written as an alternative to the clinton health care plan. The idea was that the individual mandate would encourage self responsibility, a basic conservative principal. Only when Obama proposed it did the right wing crazies attempt to turn it into some kind of commie plot. You really don't seem to know anything about this issue. Maybe you should try another. Or don't you really know anything at all?
I think one of the hardest concepts for you to grasp is that republicans and democrats are both slaves to the same master, big business. Just because the republicans proposed the idea does not make it a good one. It was a poor idea then, and a poor idea now. We are the citizens government works for us, not a corporation.
Obamination

New Hartford, NY

#9984 Feb 20, 2013
Obama fires 800,000 military workers

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Since: Nov 10

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#9985 Feb 20, 2013
mike jones wrote:
<quoted text> I think one of the hardest concepts for you to grasp is that republicans and democrats are both slaves to the same master, big business. Just because the republicans proposed the idea does not make it a good one. It was a poor idea then, and a poor idea now. We are the citizens government works for us, not a corporation.
I think you must be drunk. Maybe you are confusing me with that mental patient who inhabits my screen name and spews psychotic right wing gibberish. I have been stating exactly the same thing you just said for two years now. Washington is bought and sold. It's a corporatocracy . The Citizens United law. Which stated that a corporation is a person and that money is speech put the final nail i9n the coffin, so to speak. On the other hand the Republican party has gone completely off the rails as of late. The affordable health care act is a piece of sh#t. it's a sell out to the insurance companies. Hopefully it's a start, and opens the door to further reforms.Which we desperately need. We need to enter the twenty first century. And stop all the idealogical nonsense.If your premiums have doubled already as you stated, something is amiss. Most of the law doesn't even take affect until next year. My insurance costs just went down. Maybe you need a different agent.

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#9986 Feb 20, 2013
Respect71 wrote:
<quoted text>
You think the government is the ONLY organization that can run ďair traffic controllers and food inspectors, anyway.Ē? That means youíre seriously incapable of critical thought.
You are a complete f.cking moron. God it's hard to believe how unbelievably stupid you are. Astonishing.

You have to be completely out of your f.cking mind to think the country would be better off without air traffic controllers, or that the system doesn't need a centralized authority. How would it work, you f.cking imbecile? Like a volunteer fire department?

LMFAO!!!!

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Since: May 11

Location hidden

#9987 Feb 20, 2013
Respect71 wrote:
<quoted text>
What you don't understand is our healthcare system is JACKED UP because of government regulations... How many laws are there for the healthcare industry from JUST the federal government alone? You donít know because the number is out of controlÖ Now with Obamacare thatís 2500+ pages of law and thatís supposed to help? The affordable care act has already driven up costs and itís not even fully implemented yet.
Now look at the history of government run health care just here in America. EVERY estimated cost the politicians would provide, the ACTUAL cost of their program cost many times more than original numbers. Obamacare will bankrupt the Country and you certainly will not get health care because your age out weighs the benefitsÖ You make your bed I suppose.
The United States has the most expensive health care system in the world, yet the least amount of government involvement.

Behold the thinking of the lunatic. He is totally ignorant of facts, no matter how many times they are waved before his blissfully ignorant face. That's because he doesn't care about things such as empiricism, facts, logic, reason, etc. He has faith in his belief. That's why everything he posts here is just platitudes, followed by mindless, zombie like chants. And drivel.

So, again.....http://newshour.s3.a mazonaws.com/photos/2012/10/02 /US_spends_much_more_on_health _than_what_might_be_expected_1 _slideshow.jpg

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#9988 Feb 20, 2013

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Since: Oct 10

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#9989 Feb 21, 2013
Ben Gleck wrote:
<quoted text>I really don't think you know what you're talking about. Obama care and Romney care are almost exactly the same thing. It seems to be working just fine in mass. And that's a big state. The affordable health care act was first authored by the Heritage foundation, the top conservative republican think tank, in the nineties. it was written as an alternative to the clinton health care plan. The idea was that the individual mandate would encourage self responsibility, a basic conservative principal. Only when Obama proposed it did the right wing crazies attempt to turn it into some kind of commie plot. You really don't seem to know anything about this issue. Maybe you should try another. Or don't you really know anything at all?
Works great? They have the highest healthcare cost in the union. Obama and democrats claim Obama care with cut costs. You only prove my point. You can bet there are more unconstitutional provisions in Obamacare as in rolls out 2014. It will be a mess which is the record of this administration and the federal government as it forces itself upon private industries and citizens. Frankly I donít care if the coolest guy in the world endorses obamacare, that fact is itís crapÖ Youíll feel it next year.
You can tell me I donít know what Iím talking about until the cows come home but history is history and facts are facts. Government involved in health care in American will bankrupt the Country. Itís simple economics.

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Since: Oct 10

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#9990 Feb 21, 2013
Truth Dig wrote:
<quoted text>
You are a complete f.cking moron. God it's hard to believe how unbelievably stupid you are. Astonishing.
You have to be completely out of your f.cking mind to think the country would be better off without air traffic controllers, or that the system doesn't need a centralized authority. How would it work, you f.cking imbecile? Like a volunteer fire department?
LMFAO!!!!
You only prove my point. Zero critical thought.
Just to be clear, you believe the GOVERNEMNT is the only organization that can run ďair traffic controllersĒ.

Iím full of hate? Look at you go off... Typical leftist liberal.

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Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#9991 Feb 21, 2013
Truth Dig wrote:
<quoted text>
The United States has the most expensive health care system in the world, yet the least amount of government involvement.
Behold the thinking of the lunatic. He is totally ignorant of facts, no matter how many times they are waved before his blissfully ignorant face. That's because he doesn't care about things such as empiricism, facts, logic, reason, etc. He has faith in his belief. That's why everything he posts here is just platitudes, followed by mindless, zombie like chants. And drivel.
So, again.....http://newshour.s3.a mazonaws.com/photos/2012/10/02 /US_spends_much_more_on_health _than_what_might_be_expected_1 _slideshow.jpg
ďThe United States has the most expensive health care system in the world, yet the least amount of government involvement.Ē Cite itÖ Tell us all how many federal laws for health care are on the books, and then number the state and local laws in regards to health care.

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Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#9992 Feb 21, 2013
Respect71 wrote:
<quoted text>
Works great? They have the highest healthcare cost in the union. Obama and democrats claim Obama care with cut costs. You only prove my point. You can bet there are more unconstitutional provisions in Obamacare as in rolls out 2014. It will be a mess which is the record of this administration and the federal government as it forces itself upon private industries and citizens. Frankly I donít care if the coolest guy in the world endorses obamacare, that fact is itís crapÖ Youíll feel it next year.
You can tell me I donít know what Iím talking about until the cows come home but history is history and facts are facts. Government involved in health care in American will bankrupt the Country. Itís simple economics.
OK You don't know what you're talking about. When you use the phrase "Simple Economics" (an oxymoron) you prove it. Implementing the A.H.A. was Romney's crowning acievement as governor of Mass. Yes premiums went up a bit. But, already they are stabilizing back to average. Meanwhile millions of working poor are covered. I go to Mass. all the time. it's my wife's home state. No one to my knowledge is organizing any movement to repeal A.H.A. As I've stated before, the A.H.A was originally authored by the Heritage Foundation the leading conservative think tank, as an alternative to Clinton's plan. The Idea was that everyone would be ultimately responsible for their own health care. Which makes sense if you think about it.It keeps many people off the welfare sheets. Again some regulations are good and some are bad, and interfere with bussiness and personal liberties. Your thinking is dogmatic, which makes most of what you say really stupid. Glenn Beck is a phony and a moron. And yes, some things, believe it or not, are better off run by the government. Certainly, air traffic controllers are an example of that. Go to Somalia. They have a very weak central government, and everyone is packing an assault rifle. Must be a real paradise.LOL! Glenn Beck gets up every day and has to figure out how to convince ignorant people that the sky is falling. Apparently he's quite good at it. Who do you think pays him all those millions of dollars to do that? And why? It's banks and big business. And the why is to keep the deregulation process going so that they can continue to screw you. Eg. The insurance companies want to boot you off for a preexisting condition. That means that they treat your cancer once, but next time you can drop dead, even though they have continued to collect your premiums. Another eg. The credit card companies can jack up your rates (triple or quadruple) for no reason at all. That's what deregulation can do. That's not supporting "freedom" it's promoting slavery!

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Since: Oct 10

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#9993 Feb 21, 2013
Ben Gleck wrote:
<quoted text>OK You don't know what you're talking about. When you use the phrase "Simple Economics" (an oxymoron) you prove it. Implementing the A.H.A. was Romney's crowning acievement as governor of Mass. Yes premiums went up a bit. But, already they are stabilizing back to average. Meanwhile millions of working poor are covered. I go to Mass. all the time. it's my wife's home state. No one to my knowledge is organizing any movement to repeal A.H.A. As I've stated before, the A.H.A was originally authored by the Heritage Foundation the leading conservative think tank, as an alternative to Clinton's plan. The Idea was that everyone would be ultimately responsible for their own health care. Which makes sense if you think about it.It keeps many people off the welfare sheets. Again some regulations are good and some are bad, and interfere with bussiness and personal liberties. Your thinking is dogmatic, which makes most of what you say really stupid. Glenn Beck is a phony and a moron. And yes, some things, believe it or not, are better off run by the government. Certainly, air traffic controllers are an example of that. Go to Somalia. They have a very weak central government, and everyone is packing an assault rifle. Must be a real paradise.LOL! Glenn Beck gets up every day and has to figure out how to convince ignorant people that the sky is falling. Apparently he's quite good at it. Who do you think pays him all those millions of dollars to do that? And why? It's banks and big business. And the why is to keep the deregulation process going so that they can continue to screw you. Eg. The insurance companies want to boot you off for a preexisting condition. That means that they treat your cancer once, but next time you can drop dead, even though they have continued to collect your premiums. Another eg. The credit card companies can jack up your rates (triple or quadruple) for no reason at all. That's what deregulation can do. That's not supporting "freedom" it's promoting slavery!
Again, you blather on with leftist rhetoric and ignore COSTÖ Even your ďstabilizing back to averageĒ comment is a joke on its face. Tell us did the Democrats and Obama say it would raise or lower cost?
There you goÖ Itís you who is the leftist stooge
Mike Jones

Sauquoit, NY

#9994 Feb 21, 2013
Ben Gleck wrote:
<quoted text>I think you must be drunk. Maybe you are confusing me with that mental patient who inhabits my screen name and spews psychotic right wing gibberish. I have been stating exactly the same thing you just said for two years now. Washington is bought and sold. It's a corporatocracy . The Citizens United law. Which stated that a corporation is a person and that money is speech put the final nail i9n the coffin, so to speak. On the other hand the Republican party has gone completely off the rails as of late. The affordable health care act is a piece of sh#t. it's a sell out to the insurance companies. Hopefully it's a start, and opens the door to further reforms.Which we desperately need. We need to enter the twenty first century. And stop all the idealogical nonsense.If your premiums have doubled already as you stated, something is amiss. Most of the law doesn't even take affect until next year. My insurance costs just went down. Maybe you need a different agent.
I'm aware that the changes don't take effect until next year. These jump in premiums is in "preparation for Obamacare compliance." We received a letter on the first of the year. They will go up again.

Of course the country is a corporatocracy. It wasn't always this way. We knew what we were getting when we elected Bush. More government spending, more war, the criminalization of the electorate with the Patriot act. I knew what we were going to get when we eleced Obama, even more spending and even more war, the furthering of the police state through the exension of the Pariot Act and the addition of the NDAA. War is extremely profitable for our government despite what they say. The biggest disappointment is that Obama claimed he would be none of those things. In 2008 we had an alternative to Obama, McCain. I think he would have made a better president than Obama as McCain is more of a centrist. In the last election we had the same choice with different faces. The fact is there is a solution and it lies in economics not in policy makers.

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#9995 Feb 21, 2013
Respect71 wrote:
<quoted text>
ďThe United States has the most expensive health care system in the world, yet the least amount of government involvement.Ē Cite itÖ Tell us all how many federal laws for health care are on the books, and then number the state and local laws in regards to health care.
All of those other countries either own all the hospitals, employ all the doctors and medical staff, or are the exclusive health insurer of the entire population of their nations. You can have 1 trillion laws on the books here in the US. REGULATION is not the same as OWNERSHIP.

Why do I even bother with you? You're like a maniac who insists the sun rotates around the earth. Or that gravity doesn't exist. You're a f.cking lunatic.
mike jones

Danielson, CT

#9996 Feb 22, 2013
Truth Dig wrote:
<quoted text>
All of those other countries either own all the hospitals, employ all the doctors and medical staff, or are the exclusive health insurer of the entire population of their nations. You can have 1 trillion laws on the books here in the US. REGULATION is not the same as OWNERSHIP.
Why do I even bother with you? You're like a maniac who insists the sun rotates around the earth. Or that gravity doesn't exist. You're a f.cking lunatic.
Do you think the state should own all hospitals? What about research hospitals? Alternative medicine providers etc?

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#9997 Feb 22, 2013
mike jones wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you think the state should own all hospitals? What about research hospitals? Alternative medicine providers etc?
I'm more of a single payer guy. Having the government own all the hospitals I think would be too much of a shock to our system. But there is little value added by our private insurance dominated system. They add 10-20% right off the top, in the form of profits, marketing, advertising, claims adjusting, underwriting, etc. If the goal is to provide health care for everyone at the lowest possible costs, a not of profit, government run entity, with the economies of scale involved, would be the best option. Medicare for all. This is why liberals like me we for the public option. Medicare is far cheaper and efficient than private health insurance. They negotiate better deals and rates with hospitals, doctors, and other health care providers and have much lower overhead costs. And that's why the insurance industry was so against it.

Time Magazine has a piece in its latest edition which documents how deranged, and corrupt, our health care system is. I haven't read it yet, but it supposedly details, among other things, the gross corruption which dominates our system. Reforming sh.t like that would go a long way of making everyone better off.
Liberals are idiots

United States

#9998 Feb 23, 2013
Obama is CUTTING welfare and the military.
Ben Gleck

United States

#10000 Feb 23, 2013
Where is the Obama budget.

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