ND Football- what kids will leave??
yah but

Utica, NY

#477 Feb 6, 2014
ND Fan wrote:
<quoted text>I disagree about the ship is sinking. I know the Byron Abraham enthusiasts who've posted here would have you believe that but don't start sending sympathy cards just yet.

Who would send their kids to ND? People who care about an education that has a spiritual foundation. There is that aspect that many overlook. Believe it or not there are those parents who see the value in that type of environment and will pay in order for their kids to experience it. Standards and Regents exams being what they are the curriculums aren't going to vary much from school to school so for those who care more about the education in that kind of educational environment than they care about high school football, ND can be the right choice. There's an open house tonight. Why not go an look around and find out for yourself why someone might jump aboard as you put it. Talk to the teachers but be sure to talk to the kids. You might just get a different perspective than you get here.

Speaking of choice, do you realize that without ND there is no choice? It's the public school system or nothing unless you home school. I don't think that's a good thing.
Don't expect to have good sports though. It might survive as a school but what made und back in the day was the sports program. It attracted a diversified bunch of kids. What you'll have is about 20 kids per class and they'll shut the doors before that. Just remember, it's a business at the heart of it all....as is the Catholic Church. As soon as the profit goes away so dies the entity! Why do you think all these churches are merging?? Breaking even ain't good enough for any business including Utica Notre Dame
ND Fan

Utica, NY

#478 Feb 6, 2014
yah but wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't expect to have good sports though. It might survive as a school but what made und back in the day was the sports program. It attracted a diversified bunch of kids. What you'll have is about 20 kids per class and they'll shut the doors before that. Just remember, it's a business at the heart of it all....as is the Catholic Church. As soon as the profit goes away so dies the entity! Why do you think all these churches are merging?? Breaking even ain't good enough for any business including Utica Notre Dame
Maybe a good point but the question was - who would send their kids to ND. My answer was that there is more to ND than the sports. Even if there were no sports there would still be people who would want that kind of education and environment for their kids. Not in the same numbers but there would still be those.

Profit? There is no profit in Catholic school. The Catholic Church pays a lot of the bill for Catholic Schools. Catholic schools cost the Catholic Church money. Who told you there was profit?
Fred a

Schenectady, NY

#479 Feb 6, 2014
Nd fan .. you said believe it or not there are parents that send their kids to ND for a spiritual education. Well I would have to agree with you. But that figure is very small and shrinking. The school is down to 41 seniors and 38 7th grade students. Apparently there isnt a market fot the product ND is selling. Each and every year the enrollment declines. This is a trend not only at ND but at private schools throughout upstate NY. ND is following the path of RCH . Declining enrollment and poor leadership. The principal at ND is archaic. The newly formed board is chaotic. Well educated and respected community people have resigned and distanced themselves from ND. What perceptions can be displayed to the public as a result of this chaotic mess.

Level 6

Since: Nov 10

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#480 Feb 6, 2014
In addition to these other problems, many students and parents are realizing that good, private colleges are looking at the courses that are taken in high school and not just grades & test scores. Colleges want to know what advanced placement courses and dual-credit courses you have taken. Just passing 12th year English and history are no longer enough. Technical colleges are requiring college level chemistry & physics and college level math and calculus. If Notre Dame is not offering these courses they are putting their students at a distinct disadvantage in college acceptance. This might not affect students with SAT scores in the top 5% but it will affect those with average SAT scores. Colleges like MIT, RIT, RPI and Clarkson want to know that high school students can handle college level courses.
knowitall

Frankfort, NY

#481 Feb 6, 2014
The flight or fight response is a natural physiological response to an event. The parents have fought for better with little success..it is time to fly.....
lmfao

United States

#482 Feb 6, 2014
I saw Byron Abraham and his son at proctor today walking around... Looks like the exodus has begun
Public Parent - ND Alum

Utica, NY

#483 Feb 6, 2014
ND Fan wrote:
<quoted text>
I disagree about the ship is sinking. I know the Byron Abraham enthusiasts who've posted here would have you believe that but don't start sending sympathy cards just yet.
Who would send their kids to ND? People who care about an education that has a spiritual foundation. There is that aspect that many overlook. Believe it or not there are those parents who see the value in that type of environment and will pay in order for their kids to experience it. Standards and Regents exams being what they are the curriculums aren't going to vary much from school to school so for those who care more about the education in that kind of educational environment than they care about high school football, ND can be the right choice. There's an open house tonight. Why not go an look around and find out for yourself why someone might jump aboard as you put it. Talk to the teachers but be sure to talk to the kids. You might just get a different perspective than you get here.
Speaking of choice, do you realize that without ND there is no choice? It's the public school system or nothing unless you home school. I don't think that's a good thing.
First post on the subject. Neutral observer.

I went to ND and have children in a public district. Nobody doubts that the environment can be a good choice for many, with or without religion. The spiritual foundation you describe has been eroding for years in society, just like the support of the Catholic church and your ND enrollment. That position no longer has value for your potential constituents, or at least very few of them. I see more public school students at mass on Sunday than I do ND students and we don't necessarily frequent a single parish. I am guessing the spiritual foundation you mention can be found in the home as well. We can save the $6,000 we would have paid in tuition for each child to attend ND and put that money into a college fund for 4 years. I will take my chances creating my own spiritual foundation for my children.

I have read all of these posts and talked with people on both sides. I agree with the people saying don't go making all of this about the football coach again. It is obvious you hope to deflect criticism toward the administration by making all of this out to be about football and that the only support of dissenting opinion comes from the "goons, thugs and fanatics" that support athletic programs. I am not certain today, but when I was at Notre Dame, a high percentage of students played some sort of athletics. If you think ND can exist without them with any measure of success you are sadly mistaken. Also, if you think a public school like my district is going to allow students from ND to participate in the district programs just because ND no longer has them, think again.

Say what you want and spin it any way you see fit, but from my view, there are way too many good people walking away from that place taking their time and money with them and that makes me wonder what kind of leaderhsip is present.

Speaking of choice, the Board has choices to make and now might be a good time. Don't just rearrange the deck chairs. Your future depends on it.

Finally, you say ask the teachers? Are you serious? With dwidnling numbers and smaller classes do you think ANY teacher would speak badly about the school or the administration? You sounded reasonable until you suggested that. I am guessing the teachers have already been told what they can and can't say in public on the matter. Why not just talk to the Principal? The answers would be the same. If you go to the open house, please do talk to the parents and ask them what their children are involved in at ND. Most certainly talk to the kids. Remember parents, education and character start at home.
Public Parent - ND Alum

Utica, NY

#484 Feb 6, 2014
JusticeDefiled13501 wrote:
In addition to these other problems, many students and parents are realizing that good, private colleges are looking at the courses that are taken in high school and not just grades & test scores. Colleges want to know what advanced placement courses and dual-credit courses you have taken. Just passing 12th year English and history are no longer enough. Technical colleges are requiring college level chemistry & physics and college level math and calculus. If Notre Dame is not offering these courses they are putting their students at a distinct disadvantage in college acceptance. This might not affect students with SAT scores in the top 5% but it will affect those with average SAT scores. Colleges like MIT, RIT, RPI and Clarkson want to know that high school students can handle college level courses.
Justice,

Trust me, we looked at the scholastic offerings at ND. Despite what many people say here, there are plenty of opportunities for AP classes / credits and bridge programs at Utica College and MVCC. Our decision was not based on the educational opportunities or lack of them. For whatever reason, the school gets a bad rap when it comes to curriculum. We talked to a couple who had a son and daughter enter their freshman year with 15 college credits earned and other waivers for the AP classes and scores. I laugh when I hear people say they don't offer this and that. The education is fine, we just couldn't justify the cost.
smith

Utica, NY

#485 Feb 6, 2014
You can get all that at any of the public schools...the college credits and more AP courses....for free
lol

Utica, NY

#486 Feb 6, 2014
At the end of the day you spent 20 grand on an education you can get for free at a public school. If u got 20 gs burning a whole in your pocket.....
If u don't like minorities that much, move.
Education is an individual entity....you make it what u want. The same information us being disseminated at proctor nd nh wboro etc! Its up to the kid individually
teacher

Utica, NY

#487 Feb 6, 2014
Difference is ND is passing this information to students through non certified teachers. Thats why the avg SAT scores of ND students are below public schools in the area. Most of the families there choose ND because they feel unsafe in the larger public school. They pay tuition for comfort and pay tutors and the Sylvania learning center to educate. Not bad if you can afford to pay school taxes as well as tuition. Religion is taught to kids for free at area churches if you want religion.
knowitall

Wethersfield, CT

#488 Feb 6, 2014
How full was parking lot at open house? Dont the chinese drive, jim?
lol

Utica, NY

#489 Feb 6, 2014
teacher wrote:
Difference is ND is passing this information to students through non certified teachers. Thats why the avg SAT scores of ND students are below public schools in the area. Most of the families there choose ND because they feel unsafe in the larger public school. They pay tuition for comfort and pay tutors and the Sylvania learning center to educate. Not bad if you can afford to pay school taxes as well as tuition. Religion is taught to kids for free at area churches if you want religion.
They are passing the info or they are not??? Which one?? You must be a und teacher! Lol
Smart kids will be smart wherever they go, public or parochial.
I like the commercial w the 100% hs graduation rate and the claim that 100% go to college. What a joke.... Every kid that graduates or gets his GED can attend a college.... Mvcc accepts everybody.
I would be impressed if every kid graduated and graduated from a 4 yr college or university. Other than that it's un-impressive!
ND teacher

Utica, NY

#490 Feb 6, 2014
The open house was a failure ! 22 enrollees for the fall. Thats the lowest figure of all time. The school is toast
Vin Gilroy

Utica, NY

#491 Feb 7, 2014
OmG....I have singlehandedly destroyed ND!
ND parent

Ardsley, NY

#492 Feb 7, 2014
Last nights open house had barely anyone there!
knowitall

Utica, NY

#493 Feb 7, 2014
My son was there to help, only few parents there to volunteer and almost less on the tours. Maybe nd could rent the facilities to the next charter school. Wait til half the staff is laid off and classes cut bc low enrollment. Cant wait to hear what the teachers who have been told to keep their mouths shut have to say then! Maybe sister could retire on the lifetime movie kickbacks...sellout
ND parent

Ardsley, NY

#494 Feb 7, 2014
knowitall wrote:
My son was there to help, only few parents there to volunteer and almost less on the tours. Maybe nd could rent the facilities to the next charter school. Wait til half the staff is laid off and classes cut bc low enrollment. Cant wait to hear what the teachers who have been told to keep their mouths shut have to say then! Maybe sister could retire on the lifetime movie kickbacks...sellout
The principal doesn't look well, I don't know how much longer she can physically handle the job. She isn't at school much now
facts

Ardsley, NY

#495 Feb 7, 2014
teacher wrote:
Difference is ND is passing this information to students through non certified teachers. Thats why the avg SAT scores of ND students are below public schools in the area. Most of the families there choose ND because they feel unsafe in the larger public school. They pay tuition for comfort and pay tutors and the Sylvania learning center to educate. Not bad if you can afford to pay school taxes as well as tuition. Religion is taught to kids for free at area churches if you want religion.
A little known fact is ND employs some teachers who do not even have an Associates degree. Teaching without a college degree of any kind. And you wonder why the kids score low on SATs at ND?
knowitall

Utica, NY

#496 Feb 7, 2014
facts wrote:
<quoted text>
A little known fact is ND employs some teachers who do not even have an Associates degree. Teaching without a college degree of any kind. And you wonder why the kids score low on SATs at ND?
which teachers and where did you get the SAT scores?

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