Best Family Court story thus far...

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bran

Utica, NY

#1 May 15, 2014
Best Family Court story thus far...

Brought the X in on a violation because she has not paid any of her child's medical co pays. There are a LOT over the years. I attached them all to a custody modification petition that she was served 2 months prior to the support violation so she cant be like "I never got them in time". She was served them 60 days in advance and also hand delivered from me over the past two years.

4 months and three court appearances later (I don't have a lawyer, she does) and she has still not paid her share.

To the point... her lawyer walked in yesterday and said that the medical bills were not the child's but in fact mine! I was trying my hardest not to laugh in front of the magistrate. Not only are a lot of the bills from children's hospitals and pediatricians but I have been to the dr two times in the past 10 years. Once for some Viagra, another simply because I wanted to get a day off from work. I NEVER go to the Dr.

Is this harassment? Mom on the other hand has been absent from 3 years of Dr visits and I simply want her to pay her share. It has added up to quite a sum. Ive been a little tight picking up her slack, and lets face it, I love accountability to be equal.

Lastly under lieu of recent events mom apparently brought my child to the Dr and has accumulated one co pay where I owe her 13 dollars. She refuses to send me a bill or let me pay it. I told her lawyer in court (also in front of the magistrate) that I would simply pay it if she sent me a bill in which he replied, no, you will be getting it attached to your violation.

Now I would like to think I have been screwed over in the past enough to start seeing through their games. Would it be wise to assume this weasel is trying to scare me into getting a lawyer? Its support court. I am not getting one. I dont care about the money that apparently drives everyone else.

More importantly still:

1. he is alleging something as preposterous as my sons medical bills are in fact mine. All I can assume is that he is taking moms word (unwise) or he hasn't actually did any investigation work. I would like to think this guy is smart and surely he has and knows he is lying in court. So is this a deceitful trick? Maybe he was just trying to get me to explode in court? If so it almost feels like harassment of some sort. Can anything be done?

When I walked out of court he and mom were sitting down and she was riffling through papers for him, I can only assume he was frantically asking for copies of the medical copay statements. Man this crap is almost comical. Should I contact him and tell him he is making a mistake? Or let him burn?

2. Also, how can I pay mom her 13 dollars. Do I just let them serve me a violation and let them garnish my wages?

Don't tell me to get a lawyer. I would rather die first. This place is a circus and my skin crawls when I am in there.

I remember when topix actually had discussions. Now its all crap.

Since: May 14

Ilion

#2 May 15, 2014
bran wrote:
Best Family Court story thus far...

Brought the X in on a violation because she has not paid any of her child's medical co pays. There are a LOT over the years. I attached them all to a custody modification petition that she was served 2 months prior to the support violation so she cant be like "I never got them in time". She was served them 60 days in advance and also hand delivered from me over the past two years.

4 months and three court appearances later (I don't have a lawyer, she does) and she has still not paid her share.

To the point... her lawyer walked in yesterday and said that the medical bills were not the child's but in fact mine! I was trying my hardest not to laugh in front of the magistrate. Not only are a lot of the bills from children's hospitals and pediatricians but I have been to the dr two times in the past 10 years. Once for some Viagra, another simply because I wanted to get a day off from work. I NEVER go to the Dr.

Is this harassment? Mom on the other hand has been absent from 3 years of Dr visits and I simply want her to pay her share. It has added up to quite a sum. Ive been a little tight picking up her slack, and lets face it, I love accountability to be equal.

Lastly under lieu of recent events mom apparently brought my child to the Dr and has accumulated one co pay where I owe her 13 dollars. She refuses to send me a bill or let me pay it. I told her lawyer in court (also in front of the magistrate) that I would simply pay it if she sent me a bill in which he replied, no, you will be getting it attached to your violation.

Now I would like to think I have been screwed over in the past enough to start seeing through their games. Would it be wise to assume this weasel is trying to scare me into getting a lawyer? Its support court. I am not getting one. I dont care about the money that apparently drives everyone else.

More importantly still:

1. he is alleging something as preposterous as my sons medical bills are in fact mine. All I can assume is that he is taking moms word (unwise) or he hasn't actually did any investigation work. I would like to think this guy is smart and surely he has and knows he is lying in court. So is this a deceitful trick? Maybe he was just trying to get me to explode in court? If so it almost feels like harassment of some sort. Can anything be done?

When I walked out of court he and mom were sitting down and she was riffling through papers for him, I can only assume he was frantically asking for copies of the medical copay statements. Man this crap is almost comical. Should I contact him and tell him he is making a mistake? Or let him burn?

2. Also, how can I pay mom her 13 dollars. Do I just let them serve me a violation and let them garnish my wages?

Don't tell me to get a lawyer. I would rather die first. This place is a circus and my skin crawls when I am in there.

I remember when topix actually had discussions. Now its all crap.
You may want to examine your divorce decree or have an attorney do it for you just to make sure you are not responsible for the copays. Then bring that to court with you. The judges like to make decisions based on legal evidence not what people say. Unfortunately there are too many liars out there and judges have to determine who is the best liar. Also, you should not pay anything to her without a bill, invoice, receipt or something written. Sounds like this will go on for a long time and you should document everything.
life in 2014

United States

#3 May 15, 2014
Your story is no big deal. The gross incompetence that goes on in family court is undoubtedly intentional. When the meter runs it's really not about you and your ex, it's about them charging by the hour even if that means fabrication of facts. Rarely, is anyone in that circus held accountable. Just pay and pray for 21. It's not even worth either party filing a petition just stay away!
Nice in Nigeria

Rochester, NY

#4 May 15, 2014
So where's the best story? I'm still waiting.
bran

Utica, NY

#5 May 15, 2014
Oh... sorry. My best story so far, I have a lot. But this one tops the cake for myself. You may have better ones.
bran

Utica, NY

#6 May 15, 2014
life in 2014 wrote:
Your story is no big deal. The gross incompetence that goes on in family court is undoubtedly intentional. When the meter runs it's really not about you and your ex, it's about them charging by the hour even if that means fabrication of facts. Rarely, is anyone in that circus held accountable. Just pay and pray for 21. It's not even worth either party filing a petition just stay away!
Yes! So her lawyer is only screwing her in my eyes, because over my dead body will I get a lawyer. He should have just advised her to pay the 2 hundred and some odd dollars and lick her wounds. She was wrong. Instead he is going to charge her triple that or more.
Nice in Nigeria

Rochester, NY

#7 May 15, 2014
bran wrote:
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Yes! So her lawyer is only screwing her in my eyes, because over my dead body will I get a lawyer. He should have just advised her to pay the 2 hundred and some odd dollars and lick her wounds. She was wrong. Instead he is going to charge her triple that or more.
Good one, represent yourself. You deserve what you get. Pack up your ego and protect yourself, tough guy. The judge is going to listen to her lawyer over you, and rule in her favor. You're cooked.
bran

Utica, NY

#8 May 15, 2014
Nice in Nigeria wrote:
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Good one, represent yourself. You deserve what you get. Pack up your ego and protect yourself, tough guy. The judge is going to listen to her lawyer over you, and rule in her favor. You're cooked.
I don't think so feller. You might have misunderstood my point. Her lawyer is alleging that the medical copay bills are for services rendered for me and not the child. As in... they were my Dr visits and mom is no longer responsible for the copays. The patients name on the statements is that of my sons. There is literally no way they can rule in her favor. I don't think a pediatrician would ever treat a 40 year old man. Doesn't that sound silly?

It would be grounds for judicial misconduct for a judge to go along with the notion that the medical bills were not my sons and in fact mine... when the copay statement clearly has the child's name on it or a pediatricians name on the header. There is no way anyone can agree with her lawyer. Its literally impossible to lie unless they claim the statements are counterfeit... in which case they would also have to hack into a few physicians computers and destroy the Dr notes that are associated with them.=) Her lawyer has simply not done his homework and when he realizes he will concede. I doubt he will apologize because they are letting him play his lame games to begin with. I wont even call him shifty. He doesn't deserve that title.

Nothing to do with being a tough guy as you say. I Would like to think I have a fair understanding of how things work. Its a popularity contest in family court and not only do I not kiss butt I have ill will for family court lawyers for the power they have over my son and I, I don't hide it So I will never be favorable to them. The judges on the other hand they take an oath to be honest and swear to it. The tricky part is making the lawyers show the judged what needs to be seen.

If the pack of family court lawyers are against you you have a tough battle. You have to almost get out of their reach. They all know each other and they are all one face and voice and their reach is very far. They have a internal code of conduct like any other social circle and they don't usually go against one another even if they at times appear to be. You need to find the lone wolf or a lawyer from another town if the pack is against you.
Nice in Nigeria

Rochester, NY

#9 May 16, 2014
bran wrote:
<quoted text>Its a popularity contest in family court and not only do I not kiss butt
Judging from your rambling, lengthy and dull posts, you're losing the popularity contest. I can say with uncertainty that judges find people like you debilitating.

My point is that you should hire a lawyer to represent you, because you need someone in your corner that is a lot smarter than you. Uneducated people always believe they know more "cause a degree don't mean nuthin". They always finish last. And can never figure it out.

Your wife's lawyer is going to mop the floor with you.

Since: May 14

Ilion

#10 May 16, 2014
Ask yourself two questions: what's the best thing that can happen? what's the worse thing that can happen? If you can live with the consequences go for it
fckit

Utica, NY

#11 May 16, 2014
The bills are your sons? The lawyer is stating they are yours? If they are your sons shut up sit back and let the judge rule in favor of your x and go after the lawyer and even the judge for misconduct. Don't listen to the people on here. If its in black and white and they fight dirty fight dirty back.
fckit

Utica, NY

#12 May 16, 2014
The lawyer is messing with you. Get a lawyer.
bran

Utica, NY

#13 May 16, 2014
fckit wrote:
The bills are your sons? The lawyer is stating they are yours? If they are your sons shut up sit back and let the judge rule in favor of your x and go after the lawyer and even the judge for misconduct. Don't listen to the people on here. If its in black and white and they fight dirty fight dirty back.
Thanks. Yes they are my sons bills. No they cant rule in her favor. Its impossible for them to say they were my medical bills. The last time I went to the Dr my son was 3 months old. I don't need a lawyer or a degree in quantum physics to stand in for myself there.

"your honor if you would simply defer to the bill from the pediatrician with my child's name on it you may then be able to make a determination"

But what do I lose? Nothing but her portion of the copays and if she doesn't have to pay her share on my sons medical. No big deal. I don't care. Life goes on. So the courts enabled a trashy person to be even trashier instead of holding her accountable. Oh well. Thats life. I don't even care to press judicial misconduct. Karma works things out well in its own.
One who knows

New Hartford, NY

#14 May 16, 2014
Family Court base their decisions on paper documentations(a/k/a facts).

If you have the co-pay bills which specifically state it is for your child's visits, that is enough proof for the Judge to make his decision. No need for a lawyer.

However, IF the Judge rules in favor of your ex-wife, then go on record and state you will Appeal his decision and that is the time when you get a lawyer.

Remember - no matter who you are, everyone has a "Boss" and a Judge is no different.

IMO (someone who has dealt with Family Court, I would simply pay the $200 in co-pays and have as little contact as possible with your ex-wife. If she doesn't want to be a responsible Mother, that is her loss - not yours. Your son will grow up and always remember who was there for him when he was growing up and will last a lifetime.

This advice is based on years and years of bringing up children without a responsible parent in the picture and it was much easier than having to deal with Family Court over the small stuff.
Nice in Nigeria

Rochester, NY

#15 May 16, 2014
fckit wrote:
The bills are your sons? The lawyer is stating they are yours? If they are your sons shut up sit back and let the judge rule in favor of your x and go after the lawyer and even the judge for misconduct. Don't listen to the people on here. If its in black and white and they fight dirty fight dirty back.
Nothing is black and white, everything is gray. If it were that simple, you wouldn't need people trained to interpret how the law should be applied, or how it can be circumvented. A decent attorney will slice and dice this idiot.

Anyone that represents themselves is asking to go down in flames. Also irritates judges to listen to a lay person's interpretation of the law, that usually was learned on Judge Judy.

Let this guy fix cars or whatever he does. Hire a lawyer to defend you -- against another lawyer. Evidently, winning is not that important to him.
bonomo

Glenwood Landing, NY

#16 May 16, 2014
bran wrote:
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I have a fair understanding of how things work. Its a popularity contest in family court and not only do I not kiss butt I have ill will for family court lawyers for the power they have over my son and I, I don't hide it So I will never be favorable to them. The judges on the other hand they take an oath to be honest and swear to it. The tricky part is making the lawyers show the judged what needs to be seen.
If the pack of family court lawyers are against you you have a tough battle. You have to almost get out of their reach. They all know each other and they are all one face and voice and their reach is very far. They have a internal code of conduct like any other social circle and they don't usually go against one another even if they at times appear to be. You need to find the lone wolf or a lawyer from another town if the pack is against you.
I think that is a fair assessment. Dead to nuts. But if your not playing nice with them you shoot yourself in the foot.
bonomo

Glenwood Landing, NY

#17 May 16, 2014
Nice in Nigeria wrote:
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Nothing is black and white, everything is gray. If it were that simple, you wouldn't need people trained to interpret how the law should be applied, or how it can be circumvented. A decent attorney will slice and dice this idiot.
Anyone that represents themselves is asking to go down in flames. Also irritates judges to listen to a lay person's interpretation of the law, that usually was learned on Judge Judy.
Let this guy fix cars or whatever he does. Hire a lawyer to defend you -- against another lawyer. Evidently, winning is not that important to him.
If the paper reads 111 one can not argue it to be 000. Black and white is black and white. Fact.
bonomo

Glenwood Landing, NY

#18 May 16, 2014
Nice in Nigeria wrote:
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you're losing the popularity contest.
And that makes him a bad father? Maybe something is broke with the family court system.
t POLITIX

Utica, NY

#19 May 16, 2014
PROBLEMS ARISE 24hrs a DAY
FAMILY COURT OPERATES 8 hrs a DAY
THUS THE COURT is BROKEN
Nice in Nigeria

Rochester, NY

#20 May 16, 2014
bonomo wrote:
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If the paper reads 111 one can not argue it to be 000. Black and white is black and white. Fact.
Never went to law school, huh? Nothing is at it appears, even when it is spelled out. Everything is open to an alternative explanation... sometimes even plausible. You're the perfect target for a good attorney... believing that right is on your side. Funny.

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