American Legion got suspensions correct
Huh

Ithaca, NY

#101 Dec 6, 2013
Does the umpire work at Chanatry's?
North Utican

Albany, NY

#102 Dec 6, 2013
Bad wrote:
Nobody is to blame but two selfish punks from Whites town. It didn't matter who was coaching,Umping or batting. They knew their season was over and couldn't take losing and have a bad history of starting trouble .The parents are still in denial, They have blamed everyone but themselves. The kids are still running their mouths all over town and have no remorse at all.
. Bingo
Justice

Herkimer, NY

#103 Dec 6, 2013
Bad wrote:
Nobody is to blame but two selfish punks from Whites town. It didn't matter who was coaching,Umping or batting. They knew their season was over and couldn't take losing and have a bad history of starting trouble .The parents are still in denial, They have blamed everyone but themselves. The kids are still running their mouths all over town and have no remorse at all.
Yours is a moronic statement and a biopic view of this situation. You obviously have no idea about the game of baseball and just want to continue some juvenile feud about kids and towns.
Slim

Florence, MA

#104 Dec 6, 2013
Justice wrote:
<quoted text>
You have proven your lack of baseball knowledge with your post. I am in no battle here. I have proclaimed my approval of the suspensions of players and punishments for coaches from the outset.
It is the lack of attention given to the umpire's mishandling of the game with which I disagree. You are blinded by some personal grudge with coaches and kids:)
I've been a coach for well over 20 years and would never put up with punk kids or parents who bring up their kids to show no respect for the game or other people. I've never been an umpire and I never wish to be as I see it as a losing battle for them. You say I have a lack of knowledge but you don't prove it....Why did this situation escalate? Because of punk kids who were always coddled and never taught right from wrong. Then, from there, the coaches must keep things civil or they fail. Yes they've both been punished but if you want to punish the umps for not being good babysitters, that's where I draw the line. It's a coaches job to not let it get as far as it did. It's like parenting. You try and teach your kids right from wrong. Some do a good job and some don't Then you send them to school and they are trouble makers. It's not the teachers fault if these kids start trouble in school. The parents, who are the kids coaches at home have to be the ones to blame.
Neutral

Albany, NY

#105 Dec 6, 2013
Slim is 100 percent right. The person who is trying to blame the ump and everyone else is obviously one of the parents of the kid. This would of been over and forgotten with 2 weeks after the incident ,But the Wtown parents who started this carried on trying press charges diverting attention from the problem. They forced the state legion to punish both teams once they tried to press charges. Their obviously nuts !!!!
lol

Utica, NY

#106 Dec 6, 2013
Slim wrote:
<quoted text>I've been a coach for well over 20 years and would never put up with punk kids or parents who bring up their kids to show no respect for the game or other people. I've never been an umpire and I never wish to be as I see it as a losing battle for them. You say I have a lack of knowledge but you don't prove it....Why did this situation escalate? Because of punk kids who were always coddled and never taught right from wrong. Then, from there, the coaches must keep things civil or they fail. Yes they've both been punished but if you want to punish the umps for not being good babysitters, that's where I draw the line. It's a coaches job to not let it get as far as it did. It's like parenting. You try and teach your kids right from wrong. Some do a good job and some don't Then you send them to school and they are trouble makers. It's not the teachers fault if these kids start trouble in school. The parents, who are the kids coaches at home have to be the ones to blame.
Yes and no. It's obviously a terrible job done by both coaches controlling their players. More so on englehart. It's also a terrible job on the parents of the kids. 1. Acting bad themselves and 2. Not pulling their kids off the field when they acted inappropriately.
You can't dismiss the umpires role in this totally though. Barbero was way over his head and shouldn't be on that game to begin with. Williams is past his prime and probably shouldn't have been on it either. In any event, as soon as the umpires sensed the game was getting out of hand, they should have stopped it and forced the coaches to deal w the player and parent problems. We are not playing another pitch until both coaches get their fans and players under control.
IMO, they were either to chicken shit to deal w the problem or they weren't paying attention to what was going on....either way there was incompetence on the part of both umpires. Basically it's like a school. Teachers teach, kids learn and principals administer and oversee. Coaches coach, players play and umpires administer and oversee.
All 3 failed in this case!
Justice

Herkimer, NY

#107 Dec 6, 2013
lol wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes and no. It's obviously a terrible job done by both coaches controlling their players. More so on englehart. It's also a terrible job on the parents of the kids. 1. Acting bad themselves and 2. Not pulling their kids off the field when they acted inappropriately.
You can't dismiss the umpires role in this totally though. Barbero was way over his head and shouldn't be on that game to begin with. Williams is past his prime and probably shouldn't have been on it either. In any event, as soon as the umpires sensed the game was getting out of hand, they should have stopped it and forced the coaches to deal w the player and parent problems. We are not playing another pitch until both coaches get their fans and players under control.
IMO, they were either to chicken shit to deal w the problem or they weren't paying attention to what was going on....either way there was incompetence on the part of both umpires. Basically it's like a school. Teachers teach, kids learn and principals administer and oversee. Coaches coach, players play and umpires administer and oversee.
All 3 failed in this case!
Well said. Finally, a voice of reason. I agree wholeheartedly.
Lol

New Hartford, NY

#108 Dec 6, 2013
lol wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes and no. It's obviously a terrible job done by both coaches controlling their players. More so on englehart. It's also a terrible job on the parents of the kids. 1. Acting bad themselves and 2. Not pulling their kids off the field when they acted inappropriately.
You can't dismiss the umpires role in this totally though. Barbero was way over his head and shouldn't be on that game to begin with. Williams is past his prime and probably shouldn't have been on it either. In any event, as soon as the umpires sensed the game was getting out of hand, they should have stopped it and forced the coaches to deal w the player and parent problems. We are not playing another pitch until both coaches get their fans and players under control.
IMO, they were either to chicken shit to deal w the problem or they weren't paying attention to what was going on....either way there was incompetence on the part of both umpires. Basically it's like a school. Teachers teach, kids learn and principals administer and oversee. Coaches coach, players play and umpires administer and oversee.
All 3 failed in this case!
I'd say the parent from NH that got arrested was at fault. He was the only one arrested.
Blue

Springfield, NJ

#109 Dec 6, 2013
Justice wrote:
<quoted text>
Well said. Finally, a voice of reason. I agree wholeheartedly.
the true story is that the catcher pushed the better,after he was chest bumped , the pitcher came off the mound toward the batter and then the on deck batter is the one who threw the first punch, and then the pitcher knocked the crap out of the on deck batter for punching his brother. The original batter was never punched only pushed. Then the benches cleared. After everything was broken up the coward father of the batter then came on the field and grabbed the catcher while he was being held. Real tough guy grabbing a 14 year old. He now has been arrested. He also fled the scene right away. If he was so concerned about his son why did he leave him there and jump in his car. It's because he is a coward. Ask him why he left Whitesboro High Scholl and you won't stick up for this garbage
Neutral

North Billerica, MA

#110 Dec 6, 2013
Blue wrote:
<quoted text>the true story is that the catcher pushed the better,after he was chest bumped , the pitcher came off the mound toward the batter and then the on deck batter is the one who threw the first punch, and then the pitcher knocked the crap out of the on deck batter for punching his brother. The original batter was never punched only pushed. Then the benches cleared. After everything was broken up the coward father of the batter then came on the field and grabbed the catcher while he was being held. Real tough guy grabbing a 14 year old. He now has been arrested. He also fled the scene right away. If he was so concerned about his son why did he leave him there and jump in his car. It's because he is a coward. Ask him why he left Whitesboro High Scholl and you won't stick up for this garbage
. Your a dishonest lying. dirtbag.But we knew that already. Learn how to lose with class!!!
Martin

New Hartford, NY

#111 Dec 6, 2013
Blue wrote:
<quoted text>the true story is that the catcher pushed the better,after he was chest bumped , the pitcher came off the mound toward the batter and then the on deck batter is the one who threw the first punch, and then the pitcher knocked the crap out of the on deck batter for punching his brother. The original batter was never punched only pushed. Then the benches cleared. After everything was broken up the coward father of the batter then came on the field and grabbed the catcher while he was being held. Real tough guy grabbing a 14 year old. He now has been arrested. He also fled the scene right away. If he was so concerned about his son why did he leave him there and jump in his car. It's because he is a coward. Ask him why he left Whitesboro High Scholl and you won't stick up for this garbage
That's what I saw.
Justice

Herkimer, NY

#112 Dec 6, 2013
Blue wrote:
<quoted text>the true story is that the catcher pushed the better,after he was chest bumped , the pitcher came off the mound toward the batter and then the on deck batter is the one who threw the first punch, and then the pitcher knocked the crap out of the on deck batter for punching his brother. The original batter was never punched only pushed. Then the benches cleared. After everything was broken up the coward father of the batter then came on the field and grabbed the catcher while he was being held. Real tough guy grabbing a 14 year old. He now has been arrested. He also fled the scene right away. If he was so concerned about his son why did he leave him there and jump in his car. It's because he is a coward. Ask him why he left Whitesboro High Scholl and you won't stick up for this garbage
Your account seems correct; your assertion is off base. Am Leg baseball acted on your account of the game; thus, the suspensions. The problem is: they ignored the lack of umpire responsibility. Now, that is the real story.
blue

Utica, NY

#113 Dec 7, 2013
Reality Check wrote:
Folks,
One point that you're missing is that this was not a two sided affair that was brewing over time. WB went down 4-0 in the first inning due in large part to errors on their part. Over the next few innings NH tacked on runs to build to an 8-1 lead. Whenever WB threatened, NH either got a K or made the plays to squelch potential rallies. WB players, coaches and fans began to get antsy which is to be expected based on what was happening in the game. In the 7th inning, down 8-1, WB got a runner into scoring position who was then thrown out trying to steal 3rd (again down 8-1). WB fans, players and coaches did not agree with the call and let the umpiring crew know it. This was the first opportunity for the crew to "take control" as you've all lambasted them for not doing. So you are aware, the home plate umpire did attempt to do just that by throwing out a WB fan who was standing near home plate and by WB dugout. He also warned the bench and the coach who is in the 3B box. Please pay attention here: the fan did not leave. The umpire cannot leave the field to escort this unruly fan all the way out of the ballpark, he needs to move the game along. No one from District Legion came to the field to escort this fan from the field so he stayed and continued his ranting. The coaches did not appear to address his bench, but let's be real unless any of us are the coach or were in that dugout, we don't know what the coach did or did not do. The point here is that a WB fan was ejected and the WB bench and coach were addressed by the umpire. At that point, there had been no other visible outbursts or displays of poor conduct by NH. That inning ended with no scoring by WB, but clearly angry team and fans.
The next half inning was when the incident at the plate happened. I did not see the lead in, but can tell you that I saw the catcher initiate a physical confrontation with the batter who looked shocked. The umpire immediately threw the catcher out who promptly threw the ball towards center field in anger. As the umpire is escorting the catcher towards his dugout, the pitcher leaves his position on the field (the mound) and assaults the batter whose gaze is on the umpire and catcher.The catcher sees this and doubles back and joined in the assault (definition: batter on ground, pitcher and catcher kicking and punching him). A few players from the NH bench left the dugout to defend their teammate. WB players leave their dugout and join the fray.
The above took approximately less than 2 minutes.
The umpire tried in the 7th to control the WB sect. He immediately threw out the aggressor (catcher) and the ensuing mayhem was 90 to 120 seconds. You cannot pimp them for not trying to control things.
At the end of the day, WB's season was about to end, several of their players assaulted a NH batter prompting several NH players to leave their dugout to defend their teammate. NH is not allowed to play for the District title (please spare the comments about whether they would've won or not - irrelevant) and now, they are further penalized by not being able to play for the post season in the upcoming season.
I'm not an umpire, I don't know the umpires nor am I saying they (MVBUA) are good, bad or indifferent. Just saying, they are not to blame for the incident. The ONLY thing that could've been done is for that HP umpire to take the time to escort the ejected parent out of Murnane Field. I would respectfully submit that if he had taken the time to do that, it would not have changed the outcome. The catcher made a decision to escalate whatever was going on at home plate into a physical confrontation and the pitcher continued it by jumping racing from the mound to the home plate and attack the batter as the umpire was escorting the catcher off the field. Again, split second stuff folks.
The two culprits show no remorse
Serves ya right

United States

#114 Dec 7, 2013
Slim wrote:
<quoted text>I've been a coach for well over 20 years and would never put up with punk kids or parents who bring up their kids to show no respect for the game or other people. I've never been an umpire and I never wish to be as I see it as a losing battle for them. You say I have a lack of knowledge but you don't prove it....Why did this situation escalate? Because of punk kids who were always coddled and never taught right from wrong. Then, from there, the coaches must keep things civil or they fail. Yes they've both been punished but if you want to punish the umps for not being good babysitters, that's where I draw the line. It's a coaches job to not let it get as far as it did. It's like parenting. You try and teach your kids right from wrong. Some do a good job and some don't Then you send them to school and they are trouble makers. It's not the teachers fault if these kids start trouble in school. The parents, who are the kids coaches at home have to be the ones to blame.
You people all sound like immature career losers. No wonder none of these kids can even SPELL.
Neanderball kids

United States

#115 Dec 7, 2013
Slim wrote:
<quoted text>Justice, you are losing this battle. Go on enjoying baseball with a bunch of punk kids and coaches who have no control over them. Your arguments are becoming lame with no point!
Sorta underlines this whole stupid post. Namely not one of these kids is anything like a brightstar or anything. Just like all their drunk and druggie parents. This is a potato farm and quite funny when you know some of these kids and know most can't tie their shoes. Can't tell you the dif between a PNP or NPN transistor, run a cnc machine or build an engine. This kind of "parent" mentality and outlook is why that area has suffered with pisspoor educational results and a prison economy the last 40 years. You fuckin' people truly UNDERLINE programmed failure. On any of the other education related threads there are few comments! Common Core? None of these parents even know what it is or care they want that stupid fuckin' rubber trophy and the instant gratification it represents. I guess if "prison job" is your only future this is considered a "big" Friday night. Wow that'll be the day my kid comes home and asks to give up any of 30 skills and interests to chase a ball in a game of chance with the statistically stupidest kids on the entire school property. We loved our sport-Os in school but last time I checked they weren't doing so well. Are people really this stupid and ignorant of the real benefits to kids from real education and hobbies/activities that result in more than laughable rubber trophies? How many more people need to laugh at the offspring of the area and the abysmal results before they wake up and put down the Coors? Stupid parents = stupid neanderball kids.
Slim

Schenectady, NY

#116 Dec 7, 2013
Serves ya right wrote:
<quoted text>You people all sound like immature career losers. No wonder none of these kids can even SPELL.
I have no relation to anyone in this farce. I'm stating my opinion. You sound like the immature one that needs to grow up.
Slim

Schenectady, NY

#117 Dec 7, 2013
Yes, if the parents are a problem usually the kids will be as well. If yor kid is an exceptional athlete, it's not a bad thing however, these kids need to get a good education. Always remember, your child only plays baseball for a few years. After that are just memories. If these are the memories you'll have of your kid playing a sport, it is very sad.
Neanderball kids wrote:
<quoted text>Sorta underlines this whole stupid post. Namely not one of these kids is anything like a brightstar or anything. Just like all their drunk and druggie parents. This is a potato farm and quite funny when you know some of these kids and know most can't tie their shoes. Can't tell you the dif between a PNP or NPN transistor, run a cnc machine or build an engine. This kind of "parent" mentality and outlook is why that area has suffered with pisspoor educational results and a prison economy the last 40 years. You fuckin' people truly UNDERLINE programmed failure. On any of the other education related threads there are few comments! Common Core? None of these parents even know what it is or care they want that stupid fuckin' rubber trophy and the instant gratification it represents. I guess if "prison job" is your only future this is considered a "big" Friday night. Wow that'll be
the day my kid comes home and asks to give up any of 30 skills and interests to chase a ball iof chance with the statistically stupidest kids on the entire school property. We loved our sport-Os in school but last time I checked they weren't doing so well. Are people really this stupid and ignorant of the real benefits to kids from real education and hobbies/activities that result in more than laughable rubber trophies? How many more people need to laugh at the offspring of the area and the abysmal results before they wake up and put down the Coors? Stupid parents = stupid neanderball kids.
Reality Check

Utica, NY

#118 Dec 7, 2013
Blue wrote:
<quoted text>the true story is that the catcher pushed the better,after he was chest bumped , the pitcher came off the mound toward the batter and then the on deck batter is the one who threw the first punch, and then the pitcher knocked the crap out of the on deck batter for punching his brother. The original batter was never punched only pushed. Then the benches cleared. After everything was broken up the coward father of the batter then came on the field and grabbed the catcher while he was being held. Real tough guy grabbing a 14 year old. He now has been arrested. He also fled the scene right away. If he was so concerned about his son why did he leave him there and jump in his car. It's because he is a coward. Ask him why he left Whitesboro High Scholl and you won't stick up for this garbage
Sorry, I was planning to not continue this nonsense, but then comes "Blue" with his/her revisionist history quote of "then the on deck batter is the one who threw the first punch".

So all readers now know, 5 months post event, Blue introduces a new element to the discussion, the on deck batter is apparently the culprit from the "grassy knoll". Just fantastic stuff.

(for those who may not get the "grassy knoll" reference, please simply Google "john f kennedy, grassy knoll")
Reversal

Utica, NY

#119 Feb 11, 2014
Most of the suspensions have been reversed. Whitestown back eligible for post season, some individual suspensions overturned or reduced
Ted Williams

Herkimer, NY

#120 Feb 11, 2014
Reversal wrote:
Most of the suspensions have been reversed. Whitestown back eligible for post season, some individual suspensions overturned or reduced
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