American Legion got suspensions correct
Blue

Canajoharie, NY

#21 Nov 30, 2013
i was there wrote:
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Barbero is a shit umpire..... That's been verified by every hs and legion coaching staff. He gets games cause he sucks up to Lon and the whiteys crew.
You think that would have happened if gaiser was on the game??? Nope cause he pays attention, unlike "I call everybody out and want the game to get over as fast as possible" sal Barbero
The Umpire's job is to enforce the rules of the game. The players are EXPECTED to behave and respect the game and their opponent, while the coaches are responsible for handing and disciplining their players, even those who are 18 & 19 year old "Adults." As for the out of control parents, there is no excuse. The players involved and their coaches, along with those parents made a mockery of the game. Blaming the umpire is a complete cop-out... kind of like blaming the Weatherman for a tornado. It's about time the Oneida County Legion teams are held responsible for their lousy behavior and attitudes. For some reason, they seem to think they invented the game up there. Good for American Legion Baseball for their action.
i was there

Utica, NY

#22 Nov 30, 2013
Blue wrote:
<quoted text>The Umpire's job is to enforce the rules of the game. The players are EXPECTED to behave and respect the game and their opponent, while the coaches are responsible for handing and disciplining their players, even those who are 18 & 19 year old "Adults." As for the out of control parents, there is no excuse. The players involved and their coaches, along with those parents made a mockery of the game. Blaming the umpire is a complete cop-out... kind of like blaming the Weatherman for a tornado. It's about time the Oneida County Legion teams are held responsible for their lousy behavior and attitudes. For some reason, they seem to think they invented the game up there. Good for American Legion Baseball for their action.
BS the sole responsibility for protecting the welfare of all involved in a baseball game lies squarely on the umpires shoulders as soon as the game starts. Coaches aren't allowed to stop a game cause of unsafe playing conditions.... Weather, unruly parents, dimly lit field etc... But the umpires can. There is a ton of blame to go around in this situation. Wboro parents were extremely out of control. NH and wboro players should have shut there mouths. Both coaching staffs were negligent in curbing and controlling their players actions and the if umpires had any balls they wouldn't have let the game continue until everybody chilled out! Barbero should have brought both coaches to the plate in the 4th or 5th inning when all this shit started and told them to tell their parents to shut up and tell the players to do the same. That would have ended it. What u have is a guy that's obviously not qualified to ump that type of game. Bottom line: That game was way over sals head and he crapped his pants and failed to control it. Just another Blue that's just worried about getting paid and could care less about the game.
Utica Parent

Clinton, MA

#23 Nov 30, 2013
I said to a Whitestown parent its to bad that a lot of innocent kids are being punished that never left the dugouts and won't be allowed to play post season especially NH who was the favorite with everybody coming back. He said good I'm happy for that.. THATS ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW. When innocent kids are hated??
Blue

Canajoharie, NY

#24 Nov 30, 2013
Oh, I see. The people involved shouldn't have to take responsibility for their own actions. Thanks for supporting the mentality of this disaster of a world we live in by placing blame on people other than those who decided to act like jerks.
Billy

New Hartford, NY

#25 Nov 30, 2013
True wrote:
<quoted text> Let's get something straight.Whitestown was giving the home plate ump trouble in afternoon game againstrd Fort Schuyler . It didn't matter who the umpires were. When their losing their kids and some parents act like Aholes. They accomplished what they wanted to. They couldn't win so ruin it for NH. This has been verified by other teams. There's at least 14 umpires who said they are the worst behaved team in legion and HS baseball. Again I believe they must be proud of it.
Whitestown Legion is not affiliated with Whitesboro HS baseball. Nice try.
Lars

Ithaca, NY

#26 Nov 30, 2013
Sure is, same kids dope.
Tommy

Clinton, MA

#27 Nov 30, 2013
Billy wrote:
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Whitestown Legion is not affiliated with Whitesboro HS baseball. Nice try.
Same kids and same parents when they had to forfeit game in may against ND
Tommy

Clinton, MA

#28 Nov 30, 2013
Blue wrote:
Oh, I see. The people involved shouldn't have to take responsibility for their own actions. Thanks for supporting the mentality of this disaster of a world we live in by placing blame on people other than those who decided to act like jerks.
I didn't say that. Banish the kids involved and the coaches but really not fair for Kids who did nothing wrong to not have a post season and new kids coming up.
Really

Herkimer, NY

#29 Nov 30, 2013
Tommy wrote:
<quoted text> I agree that ump might not be very good and a lot of other umps. But those two brothers were way and I mean way over the top with those malicious acts. Its not like the game was close or during a big play. Cmon they have a history
The Am Leg has suspended players. Now, where is the justice concerning the umpire?
Blue

Canajoharie, NY

#30 Nov 30, 2013
Tommy wrote:
<quoted text> I didn't say that. Banish the kids involved and the coaches but really not fair for Kids who did nothing wrong to not have a post season and new kids coming up.
I agree that that part of it really stinks... kind of like when colleges (Penn State, for example) have sanctions against them, or when football programs are banned from playing in Bowl Games, etc. I guess it's just a product of the rules of the Governing body. So I guess that the innocent kids will have to accept that they will be part of a group that hopefully helps make the game of baseball and it's atmosphere one that is respected in those parts again.
Blue

Canajoharie, NY

#31 Nov 30, 2013
P.S... my comment was directed towards "I Was There", based on this post:

"BS the sole responsibility for protecting the welfare of all involved in a baseball game lies squarely on the umpires shoulders as soon as the game starts. Coaches aren't allowed to stop a game cause of unsafe playing conditions.... Weather, unruly parents, dimly lit field etc... But the umpires can. There is a ton of blame to go around in this situation. Wboro parents were extremely out of control. NH and wboro players should have shut there mouths. Both coaching staffs were negligent in curbing and controlling their players actions and the if umpires had any balls they wouldn't have let the game continue until everybody chilled out! Barbero should have brought both coaches to the plate in the 4th or 5th inning when all this shit started and told them to tell their parents to shut up and tell the players to do the same. That would have ended it. What u have is a guy that's obviously not qualified to ump that type of game. Bottom line: That game was way over sals head and he crapped his pants and failed to control it. Just another Blue that's just worried about getting paid and could care less about the game."

I should have hit "Reply"... sorry for the confusion!
wow

Clinton, NY

#32 Nov 30, 2013
Really wrote:
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The Am Leg has suspended players. Now, where is the justice concerning the umpire?
You really have it in for that ump don't you. Instead of complaining on here why don't you go to who ever is in charge of American Legion Baseball and present your "facts". Remember, you will have to give your real name and it will be published. Oh, and let us know how that goes for you.
Really

Herkimer, NY

#33 Nov 30, 2013
wow wrote:
<quoted text>You really have it in for that ump don't you. Instead of complaining on here why don't you go to who ever is in charge of American Legion Baseball and present your "facts". Remember, you will have to give your real name and it will be published. Oh, and let us know how that goes for you.
I don't know the umpire, moron. But, I do know what the umpire is responsible for. You obviously don't know. So, why don't you go and start dinner for your husband and leave this discussion for us men.
i was there

Utica, NY

#34 Nov 30, 2013
Blue wrote:
Oh, I see. The people involved shouldn't have to take responsibility for their own actions. Thanks for supporting the mentality of this disaster of a world we live in by placing blame on people other than those who decided to act like jerks.
Read what I wrote u moron... I stated that there is a lot of blame to go around.
You umpires never want to accept any responsibility for anything.... Your whole job revolves around being responsible. Coaches coach, players play, you morons officiate the game. That includes a ton of responsibility on your part. It's not just show up get the game over as fast a you can so you collect the money and go to the bullet. The whole mvbua mentality is f'ed up.... Ya I attended one of your meetings a few yrs ago. As soon as 1 of your idiot teachers led the class off w how many outs there are in a game and you start counting down when the game starts and this dandy "we as umpires are there to call outs" you morons lost me. I quickly realized the mentality you goofs are teaching and I laugh when every close pitch is a strike and every banger on the bases is an out. Bottom line is sal Barbero and art Williams did a terrible job controlling that game.... As did Randall and englehart. Take some responsibility for once. You think that would gave happened if Tim gaiser and Rick Siriano were on that game?? Or mike corpin, Ron stars etc???
Also it would have never happened if it were macchionnes team or tony abones team!
Hey blue, if u ain't a part of the solution, you are part of the problem!!!!
fmr umpire

Utica, NY

#35 Nov 30, 2013
The mvbua is a total joke. I was in it for a short time and it's a shitshow. I played baseball so I kinda know how the game is supposed to be played. I used to get yelled at after games by older umpires cause I called too many guys safe on bangers on the bases....or my strike zone was too tight. Sorry folks, if the ball don't cross the plate, it ain't a strike. If I think a guy beat a throw or made a great slide around a tag...safe it is! Guys used to brag about how they screwed a coach or didn't like certain players. They try to teach u that u need to find outs or anything close is a out! Wtf is that?? There are a few great umpires in the mvbua but the rest of them are bottom feeders that only care about the money and how fast they get the game over. Total joke
Drunk parents

Wimauma, FL

#36 Nov 30, 2013
Billy wrote:
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Whitestown Legion is not affiliated with Whitesboro HS baseball. Nice try.
its the same parents who drink at H S games or legion games
Blue

Canajoharie, NY

#37 Nov 30, 2013
i was there wrote:
<quoted text>
Read what I wrote u moron... I stated that there is a lot of blame to go around.
You umpires never want to accept any responsibility for anything.... Your whole job revolves around being responsible. Coaches coach, players play, you morons officiate the game. That includes a ton of responsibility on your part. It's not just show up get the game over as fast a you can so you collect the money and go to the bullet. The whole mvbua mentality is f'ed up.... Ya I attended one of your meetings a few yrs ago. As soon as 1 of your idiot teachers led the class off w how many outs there are in a game and you start counting down when the game starts and this dandy "we as umpires are there to call outs" you morons lost me. I quickly realized the mentality you goofs are teaching and I laugh when every close pitch is a strike and every banger on the bases is an out. Bottom line is sal Barbero and art Williams did a terrible job controlling that game.... As did Randall and englehart. Take some responsibility for once. You think that would gave happened if Tim gaiser and Rick Siriano were on that game?? Or mike corpin, Ron stars etc???
Also it would have never happened if it were macchionnes team or tony abones team!
Hey blue, if u ain't a part of the solution, you are part of the problem!!!!
Apparently your favorite word is moron. Well, moron, you are wrong on one thing- I'm not an umpire, just a fan of the game. And any fan could read this and see that you just have a major hard-on for the Umpires. What'd they do, kick you out of the Association? Couldn't you hack it? Give it up. Nothing is going to happen to the Umpires who worked that game.
Reality Check

Utica, NY

#38 Nov 30, 2013
Folks,
One point that you're missing is that this was not a two sided affair that was brewing over time. WB went down 4-0 in the first inning due in large part to errors on their part. Over the next few innings NH tacked on runs to build to an 8-1 lead. Whenever WB threatened, NH either got a K or made the plays to squelch potential rallies. WB players, coaches and fans began to get antsy which is to be expected based on what was happening in the game. In the 7th inning, down 8-1, WB got a runner into scoring position who was then thrown out trying to steal 3rd (again down 8-1). WB fans, players and coaches did not agree with the call and let the umpiring crew know it. This was the first opportunity for the crew to "take control" as you've all lambasted them for not doing. So you are aware, the home plate umpire did attempt to do just that by throwing out a WB fan who was standing near home plate and by WB dugout. He also warned the bench and the coach who is in the 3B box. Please pay attention here: the fan did not leave. The umpire cannot leave the field to escort this unruly fan all the way out of the ballpark, he needs to move the game along. No one from District Legion came to the field to escort this fan from the field so he stayed and continued his ranting. The coaches did not appear to address his bench, but let's be real unless any of us are the coach or were in that dugout, we don't know what the coach did or did not do. The point here is that a WB fan was ejected and the WB bench and coach were addressed by the umpire. At that point, there had been no other visible outbursts or displays of poor conduct by NH. That inning ended with no scoring by WB, but clearly angry team and fans.

The next half inning was when the incident at the plate happened. I did not see the lead in, but can tell you that I saw the catcher initiate a physical confrontation with the batter who looked shocked. The umpire immediately threw the catcher out who promptly threw the ball towards center field in anger. As the umpire is escorting the catcher towards his dugout, the pitcher leaves his position on the field (the mound) and assaults the batter whose gaze is on the umpire and catcher.The catcher sees this and doubles back and joined in the assault (definition: batter on ground, pitcher and catcher kicking and punching him). A few players from the NH bench left the dugout to defend their teammate. WB players leave their dugout and join the fray.

The above took approximately less than 2 minutes.

The umpire tried in the 7th to control the WB sect. He immediately threw out the aggressor (catcher) and the ensuing mayhem was 90 to 120 seconds. You cannot pimp them for not trying to control things.

At the end of the day, WB's season was about to end, several of their players assaulted a NH batter prompting several NH players to leave their dugout to defend their teammate. NH is not allowed to play for the District title (please spare the comments about whether they would've won or not - irrelevant) and now, they are further penalized by not being able to play for the post season in the upcoming season.

I'm not an umpire, I don't know the umpires nor am I saying they (MVBUA) are good, bad or indifferent. Just saying, they are not to blame for the incident. The ONLY thing that could've been done is for that HP umpire to take the time to escort the ejected parent out of Murnane Field. I would respectfully submit that if he had taken the time to do that, it would not have changed the outcome. The catcher made a decision to escalate whatever was going on at home plate into a physical confrontation and the pitcher continued it by jumping racing from the mound to the home plate and attack the batter as the umpire was escorting the catcher off the field. Again, split second stuff folks.
Justice

Clinton, MA

#39 Nov 30, 2013
Unfortunately NH kids are getting the shaft. What could they have done??? The leadership of district 5 needs to clear these kids.
Really

Herkimer, NY

#40 Nov 30, 2013
"Reality check" is either a politician, or missed his calling. He believes that the more words he uses, the better is his argument. What he lacks in understanding, he makes up with verbosity.
Umpires do not escort people from the field; neither players nor fans.
A responsible umpire is able to sense trouble building; he puts a stop to that by clearing the field, sending players and coaches to their dugouts, and explains to coaches what the results would be if tempers didn't cool off.
The HP umpire was overmatched by the situation and should be suspended, as have been players.
Those who understand sports in general, and baseball, specifically, know this is true. Others, can spew all the words they may muster; it just doesn't change the truth.

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