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#21
Sep 20, 2012
 
hmm wrote:
There will never be a comptenant Italian mayor. Such a person does not and will never exist. None of these people ever went to college. None of them know anything about economics or law. They are completely inept. It's time Utica wised up and started demanding better candidates.
How about, there will never be a competent mayor for Utica PERIOD!
They all have been a bunch of Goofaros
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Sep 20, 2012
 
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Flint, Michigan and I work for a local television station, not the city...friend.
Same thing
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For many years I was one of those Debbie Downers about Utica. Then I realized I was only making myself miserable. It wasn't helping matters. So I changed my attitude and started seeing the good points of Utica. I do see improvement. Look at the Baggs Square neighborhood which was deserted 4 years ago. It's nice to see others ignoring the naysaying and making strides to bring Utica slowly back from the hole it sunk in.
So basically you stick your head in the sand and keep on pretending everything's hunkey-dorey. How oootican.

FACT!- If the people who were charged with the progressive advancement of Utica could find their ass with both hands instead of engorging their friends and families Utica wouldn't need an overblown over hyped footrace as an economic crutch to sell a few hotel rooms and pizzas. You guys are unbelievable. The greater good? You lost your GM sponsorship because people contacted GM corp sponsorship office and told them a few things about how their sponsor vehicles were being used. You only pave and clean ONE loop of Utica EVERY YEAR DUUUH and expect the rest of the people who PAY for that substandard shyt to accept it OR they get your fkn attitude.
The typical rosey glasses "Build it and greatness will come" that has always defeated your big "dreams" there.

YOU HAVE NO FKN JOBS THERE! NO CREDIBLE AUTHORITY IN DECADES! Utica is FULL of fat obese people so there goes the "fight childhood obesity" claim. You're all scammer chiefs looking for indians anyone who has seen any of the loudmouths "in charge" on "Boilermaker Day" act knows you're all on some retard power trip all because of some retarded even. DOn't you people see what you look like there? You have to beg the USAF to send a jet over to somehow make it "better"? WTF is THAT? You don't have an AIRSHOW there, few concerts, no culture, a fake college claiming "nano cutting edge" that doesn't even own a SEM and a city govt. run by people who actually looked at Angelor Retardo and thought he was some kind of amazing guy! WTF!!

The Boilermaker should be stopped permanently by causing their insurance to skyrocket. Anything short of violence should be considered because it's just a salt in the wounds of all the people who PAY for that obese parasite circus year round and get nothing but corrupt cops, demolished streets and fkn lies and excuses from the "honchos" in charge. Something will break it permanently before much longer. I know for a fact more than just a few determined people are working toward that. It's already come close it won't be much longer unless they give up and I don't see that happening. You don't know how you look to some people. It's just another part of the Utica ego problems. You people there have a lot more to be talking about than some Kenyan footrace nobody but the benefactors of the NFP give a fk about.
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Joe Schmo wrote:
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There is hope for Utica, the very first thing that NEEDS to happen is for people to appreciate what this city has to offer and stop complaining.
I would humbly suggest that, if anything, residents of Utica need to be complaining a whole lot more.

The city is in a death spiral of it's own making. The harsh truth is that nothing short of a miracle will save Utica. And by "miracle" I mean "about $1.5 billion falling from heaven".

Consider:

Utica's current road maintenance schedule is far below what's needed just to keep the pavement at it's current level of repair. Put simply, the roads will get worse and worse each year because the city can't afford to perform basic repairs and upkeep. It would take about $12 million a year for the next 25 years just to keep the roads in serviceable condition, after which the paving cycle would repeat. Performing the level of work needed to actually *improve* the overall condition of the city's roads would cost about $22 million a year.

The city's sewers are in even worse condition, as the unfortunate flow of untreated sewage into basements and the Mohawk River demonstrate. Bringing it up to modern standards will require an estimated $150-$200 million dollars.

Neither of those projects is every going to happen because the city simply doesn't have the financial resources to do them. And, let's be honest, it never will. Which means the roads and the sewers will only get worse over time, steadily increasing the eventual cost of repairs.

Lather. Rinse. Repeat.

That's the basic foundation for the death spiral.
Da Law

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#25
Sep 20, 2012
 
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I have been on the Boilermaker committee for 25 years. The focus of the Boilermaker has always been "accentuate the positives of Utica NY" and "look at the positive impact we have had on individuals and success stories of the people that have run the race". At every director's meeting we are reminded of our focus.
There's certainly nothing wrong with that, but let me ask you aserious question. What has it actually accomplished? For all the years of it's history the Boilermaker has been putting Utica's best face forward.

The decline in the average income of the city's residents has actually accelerated over that time period.

The median education level has steadily dropped.

The average age of the city's residents has steadily increased, save for the decreases generated by first generation children of recent immigrants. Sadly, those children are fleeing the area at an even higher rate than non-immigrant children.

We've been merrily accentuating the positive right into our graves.
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#26
Sep 20, 2012
 
Why would anyone knock an event that brings people to our hotels, restaurants, bars, etc? People make a big deal and focus on it because its good for the area. You know how many other cities would loveee to have an event like this every year? All positive things come from it. Fact
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#27
Sep 20, 2012
 
runner wrote:
Why would anyone knock an event that brings people to our hotels, restaurants, bars, etc? People make a big deal and focus on it because its good for the area. You know how many other cities would loveee to have an event like this every year? All positive things come from it. Fact
Not true at all. It's basically a 1 day event, the entrants get fed at mvcc and if out of 365 days you get 1 good day of business, wowie. Get real please. None of those runners come back the other 364 days. So like the first poster said, this is a priority?
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<quoted text>Not true at all. It's basically a 1 day event, the entrants get fed at mvcc and if out of 365 days you get 1 good day of business, wowie. Get real please. None of those runners come back the other 364 days. So like the first poster said, this is a priority?
Thank you for keeping tabs on everyone that comes here for the race. You honestly believe that no one goes to the local restaurants. Please come back to reality.
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After while, it gets old. The Boilermaker is a bore. The same Africans win it every year. The main streets are tidied up at the bare minimum. The brewery has the sweaty after-party. WKTV makes idiots of themselves. It's like the movie Groundhog Day. Different year, same outcome. Zzzzzzz.....

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#30
Sep 20, 2012
 
Anyone know why only the middle of streets have been repaved?? I hate driving through Utica. It makes no sense.

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#31
Sep 20, 2012
 
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I would humbly suggest that, if anything, residents of Utica need to be complaining a whole lot more.
The city is in a death spiral of it's own making. The harsh truth is that nothing short of a miracle will save Utica. And by "miracle" I mean "about $1.5 billion falling from heaven".
Consider:
Utica's current road maintenance schedule is far below what's needed just to keep the pavement at it's current level of repair. Put simply, the roads will get worse and worse each year because the city can't afford to perform basic repairs and upkeep. It would take about $12 million a year for the next 25 years just to keep the roads in serviceable condition, after which the paving cycle would repeat. Performing the level of work needed to actually *improve* the overall condition of the city's roads would cost about $22 million a year.
The city's sewers are in even worse condition, as the unfortunate flow of untreated sewage into basements and the Mohawk River demonstrate. Bringing it up to modern standards will require an estimated $150-$200 million dollars.
Neither of those projects is every going to happen because the city simply doesn't have the financial resources to do them. And, let's be honest, it never will. Which means the roads and the sewers will only get worse over time, steadily increasing the eventual cost of repairs.
Lather. Rinse. Repeat.
That's the basic foundation for the death spiral.
$1.5 Billion may be putting it kinda low.

The city is just falling apart. All the years the city HAD money is when they should have spent some paving roads, replacing sewers and fixing other parts of the infrastructure. Now the city has to rely on grants and gifts from the state and federal government.
The Real Nice Guy

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#32
Sep 20, 2012
 
Da Law wrote:
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I would humbly suggest that, if anything, residents of Utica need to be complaining a whole lot more.
The city is in a death spiral of it's own making. The harsh truth is that nothing short of a miracle will save Utica. And by "miracle" I mean "about $1.5 billion falling from heaven".
Consider:
Utica's current road maintenance schedule is far below what's needed just to keep the pavement at it's current level of repair. Put simply, the roads will get worse and worse each year because the city can't afford to perform basic repairs and upkeep. It would take about $12 million a year for the next 25 years just to keep the roads in serviceable condition, after which the paving cycle would repeat. Performing the level of work needed to actually *improve* the overall condition of the city's roads would cost about $22 million a year.
The city's sewers are in even worse condition, as the unfortunate flow of untreated sewage into basements and the Mohawk River demonstrate. Bringing it up to modern standards will require an estimated $150-$200 million dollars.
Neither of those projects is every going to happen because the city simply doesn't have the financial resources to do them. And, let's be honest, it never will. Which means the roads and the sewers will only get worse over time, steadily increasing the eventual cost of repairs.
Lather. Rinse. Repeat.
That's the basic foundation for the death spiral.
All very good and valid points! The infrastructure of Utica has deteriorated so much that it's become cost prohibitive to fix!
Da Law

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Surething wrote:
<quoted text> Thank you for keeping tabs on everyone that comes here for the race. You honestly believe that no one goes to the local restaurants. Please come back to reality.
The race generates approximately $150,000 in additional sales tax revenue from it's activities throughout the year.

That *almost* covers the cost of three blocks of road repair, or roughly 1.5 kilometers of roadway. Utica's taxpayers picked up the tab for the other 13.5 kilometers of the race. Considering that there are sections of the city's streets that haven't seen service in over two decades that was pretty damn generous of them.

Look, I've got nothing against the Boilermaker. It's a fun time. But that's all it is. A once a year party.

Sadly, it's become an almost magical token trotted out whenever anyone points out that Utica is doomed. Inevitably, whenever someone brings up the fact that simple math means the city can't escape it's long, sad decline the response is "Boilermaker!" Or "Chicken riggies!" Or "The Stanley!"

They're all nice things, to be sure, but they're just shiny baubles on a rotting corpse. You can polish up those baubles all you want. That isn't going to resurrect the body they're adorning.
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#34
Sep 20, 2012
 
runner wrote:
Why would anyone knock an event that brings people to our hotels, restaurants, bars, etc? People make a big deal and focus on it because its good for the area. You know how many other cities would loveee to have an event like this every year? All positive things come from it. Fact
You make it sound like it's a massive windfall and someone even inflated the claim up to like 5 million one year in the OD.

Also aside from rinkydink burgh in Appalachia I doubt many cities would actually find much interest in their "one big deal" being some stupid footrace through a crack infested rust belt shithole.

In fact I'd not that any city worth putting on any once a year "gasm" event like their one-shot load as the Boilergasm already make a joke out of the Boilergasm. Airshows, Weekend festivals not the usual upstate NY way of gaining affluence "NFP-A-Thon"

Ever wonder why just about EVERY SINGLE "CULTURAL EVENT" THERE is some Not-For-Profit "A-Thon"? Where maybe 5 "board members" collect 100k a year and every single person down the totem pole is a pissant making $6 an hour?

It's the new cny cottage industry the last 25 years because those people can't even flourish in that economy any other way on their own merits the p[lace is taxed well out of the game.

The local "Friends& Family" has cultivated and nurtured these leechisms. The politicos won't stop the nonsense they LIVE off it and for it. It's going to take peaceful protest aimed at ruining the event to stop it, or creating such a big problem at some point their insurance will tell them fkkaw.
There's a couple other ways too.
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Once a county or city loses it's main tax base, it's only a matter of time before the inevitable happens.
Utica is not the only city that is facing these problems. Having traveled and worked across this country, I can tell you that Utica is not alone. The US government needs to stop sending our tax dollars around the world as foreign aid and start reinvesting in our infrastructure. If they don't, what is happening in Utica and other places will begin to happen in all of the other areas too. All of the nicer areas will be in the same position once their tax base cannot support the outrageous local government expenditures that will continue to come.

New Hartford and Clinton and other areas can laugh now and think that it will never happen there, but it will. It's not a question of "if", it's just a question of "when".
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#36
Sep 21, 2012
 
It wouldn't be bad if we didn't have to start hearing about every day, starting in January!
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#37
Sep 21, 2012
 
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It wouldn't be bad if we didn't have to start hearing about every day, starting in January!
Would you rather hear about Utica's financial mess then?
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#38
Sep 21, 2012
 
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It wouldn't be bad if we didn't have to start hearing about every day, starting in January!
Thats the point of this topix, its the priority of Utica. That is sad, its a nice thing but when it is #1, we have major problems. Building on a road race, lol, and where has it got us? Answer, in the gutters or rock bottom. Now this is a fact.
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Sep 21, 2012
 
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Flint, Michigan and I work for a local television station, not the city...friend.
Newark, NJ, Compton, E. LA, New Orleans(in hurricane season).
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The Real Nice Guy wrote:
<quoted text>Would you rather hear about Utica's financial mess then?
Well, yes. We should be hearing about it every day. It should be on the front page of the newspaper and the lead story on every television newscast. It should be a constant drumbeat, day after day after day, until someone, anyone, in a position of leadership starts taking it seriously.

These problems have been allowed to fester and grow for so long exactly because what passes for our local "media" quit covering it years ago. The reason the "Friends and Family Plan" has been able to roll merrily along for so many years is because they co-opted the very journalists that should have been holding their feet to the fire.

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