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UticaSucks

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UPD,FD and DPW are so mis-managed in Utica. Brooks is a bully. Palmieri is a bully. They talk to people and degrade people so bad. USCD will not get paid either. This city is so broke, they are hiding 90% of debt. Bankrupt within 18 months.
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persma do you get show up pay or clothing allowance, what the heck do those guys want from the taxpayers.
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I had to pay an extra 3 bucks to get into a bar on varick street to pay about 25 cops to stand around. Either we are getting hosed by them or people are not trusted to drink and behave anymore.
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irish wrote:
I had to pay an extra 3 bucks to get into a bar on varick street to pay about 25 cops to stand around. Either we are getting hosed by them or people are not trusted to drink and behave anymore.
the cops of today not all of them but a lot Dont have the position at heart. They are in it for the cash and benefits as the city has deep pockets at taxpayer expense.Many of then are midgets.There should be a height requirement.There used to be one years ago.
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Everyone talks about Detroit and the problems they face for many of the same reasons that Utica will eventually face bankruptcy.

Have a look at what happens in a small city though. Google "Central Falls, Rhode Island". That's a small city that went bankrupt because of pension and benefit liability.
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piersma could you be a security guard and pass the requirements and handle yourself. Don't take much to talk s- h - t on the mike.LB has top notch boys.
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Mar 17, 2014
 
Its always easy to just raise taxes ,no politician wants to try to cut public employees. You see the last time they tried to cut at the UPD ,all the cops went wild and targeted certain councilman and pushed for their opponent. It didn't take but a few votes the other way to throw an election. . Now the councilman trying to avoid that again except for one of them. The state law actually states that a cop cant get involved in politics just for that reason.
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I don't understand the negotiating process I guess.

The OD article I read said that police contracts were negotiated and approved last year. the mayor said that neither side got everything they wanted in the negotiation.

Do they not realize(either side that is) that a day is coming when there will be no negotiating if we continue on this path? Utica is not growing economically and the situation deteriorates more each year. We are coming to a time when Utica will not be able to pay the bills or raise taxes any more. On that day a control board takes over and voids the existing labor contracts.

If I was negotiating with public safety I would make it clear that it would be better to have a smaller percentage of what they have now then to continue to pretend that there is a real problem caused by compensation and benefits.

I previously mentioned Central Falls, Rhode Island. When their day of reckoning came their public safety, especially retirees, ended up taking huge cuts. There are plenty of articles about that side of things with public safety, both active and retired, complaining about how they got screwed over. One has to ask though if they weren't their own worst enemy in the years leading up to the bankruptcy just like Utica's public safety is now.

The facts are that Utica can't just keep raising taxes and expecting bailouts. The well is just about dry.
Popo

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Mar 17, 2014
 
Guys this all sounds great. Just give the memo to the 700 drug dealers in cornhill and east utica, the 800 sex offenders and 1200 guys straling metal and going three cars every night. We will cut starting now. Also advise the refugee center to stop bringing 900 poeple who pay nothing to your city a year. Remember the same size house as yours in clinton would be 2 to 3 grand a mknth more
High Taxes and Riggies

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Mar 17, 2014
 
Popo wrote:
Guys this all sounds great. Just give the memo to the 700 drug dealers in cornhill and east utica, the 800 sex offenders and 1200 guys straling metal and going three cars every night. We will cut starting now. Also advise the refugee center to stop bringing 900 poeple who pay nothing to your city a year. Remember the same size house as yours in clinton would be 2 to 3 grand a mknth more
UPD. Always selling fear.
Truth

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Popo wrote:
Guys this all sounds great. Just give the memo to the 700 drug dealers in cornhill and east utica, the 800 sex offenders and 1200 guys straling metal and going three cars every night. We will cut starting now. Also advise the refugee center to stop bringing 900 poeple who pay nothing to your city a year. Remember the same size house as yours in clinton would be 2 to 3 grand a mknth more
Not talking personnel so as much as cutting benefits and things like show up pay.

Has anyone ever thought of bringing in a consultant to look at how these departments are run? Someone with no alliances and not beholding to the city or the unions. In the private sector when businesses are in trouble they will sometimes bring in experts(management consultants) to look at how the business is being run. They look at everything from expenses to scheduling. Based on their findings they make recommendations. It's good to have a fresh, unbiased set of eyes on things.

There should be someone like that who can look at public safety(maybe the whole city) and tell if it is the right size, if the salaries and benefits are in line for a city the size of Utica, if the ambulance really makes money, if policies regarding overtime are in line and on and on. That way everyone can have an objective view of where everything stands. Seems to me that the results of something like that should be the foundation for any negotiation going forward. It's certainly the only way for the taxpaying public to make any sense of it and form an educated opinion. The way it is now the fox is in charge of the chicken coop.
High Taxes and Riggies

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Truth wrote:
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Not talking personnel so as much as cutting benefits and things like show up pay.
Has anyone ever thought of bringing in a consultant to look at how these departments are run? Someone with no alliances and not beholding to the city or the unions. In the private sector when businesses are in trouble they will sometimes bring in experts(management consultants) to look at how the business is being run. They look at everything from expenses to scheduling. Based on their findings they make recommendations. It's good to have a fresh, unbiased set of eyes on things.
There should be someone like that who can look at public safety(maybe the whole city) and tell if it is the right size, if the salaries and benefits are in line for a city the size of Utica, if the ambulance really makes money, if policies regarding overtime are in line and on and on. That way everyone can have an objective view of where everything stands. Seems to me that the results of something like that should be the foundation for any negotiation going forward. It's certainly the only way for the taxpaying public to make any sense of it and form an educated opinion. The way it is now the fox is in charge of the chicken coop.
In theory this is great. In reality would you really expect the city of utica to open their books? It will never happen until the city is bankrupt and the state moves in.
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#13
Mar 17, 2014
 
If its as great as people say to be on upd then why cant they get anyone to transfer from other departments? Because the salery is the same as anywhere else and they didnt want to have to be locked in to live here. But if the money is way more then anywhere else you would think they would have a ton of people. They couldnt even get 10
Truth

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Mar 17, 2014
 
High Taxes and Riggies wrote:
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In theory this is great. In reality would you really expect the city of utica to open their books? It will never happen until the city is bankrupt and the state moves in.
Unfortunately I think you are right. It will happen only when it is forced on them. There are just too many alliances and the friends and family network is just too entrenched. When it does finally happen you'll hear all about how they think they are getting screwed by the state control board when the real truth is that they will have brought the whole thing down on their own heads and it could've been avoided.
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Mar 17, 2014
 
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Unfortunately I think you are right. It will happen only when it is forced on them. There are just too many alliances and the friends and family network is just too entrenched. When it does finally happen you'll hear all about how they think they are getting screwed by the state control board when the real truth is that they will have brought the whole thing down on their own heads and it could've been avoided.
I agree. They are like the thieves in a movie who get caught by the police while they are arguing over how the loot is divided up.
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Mar 17, 2014
 
You nailed it.
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Mar 17, 2014
 
The only thing Piersma nails is his fist every night!!
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Mar 17, 2014
 
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The only thing Piersma nails is his fist every night!!
Pay your bills Bill.
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Mar 17, 2014
 
Truth wrote:
I don't understand the negotiating process I guess.
The OD article I read said that police contracts were negotiated and approved last year. the mayor said that neither side got everything they wanted in the negotiation.
Do they not realize(either side that is) that a day is coming when there will be no negotiating if we continue on this path? Utica is not growing economically and the situation deteriorates more each year. We are coming to a time when Utica will not be able to pay the bills or raise taxes any more. On that day a control board takes over and voids the existing labor contracts.
If I was negotiating with public safety I would make it clear that it would be better to have a smaller percentage of what they have now then to continue to pretend that there is a real problem caused by compensation and benefits.
I previously mentioned Central Falls, Rhode Island. When their day of reckoning came their public safety, especially retirees, ended up taking huge cuts. There are plenty of articles about that side of things with public safety, both active and retired, complaining about how they got screwed over. One has to ask though if they weren't their own worst enemy in the years leading up to the bankruptcy just like Utica's public safety is now.
The facts are that Utica can't just keep raising taxes and expecting bailouts. The well is just about dry.
Hate to discourage you but New York state PENSION fund has so much money in it it can buy the whole state of Rhode Island. Active PENSION boys are in SAFE mode ,only new ones after a certain date are possibly screwed.
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Mar 17, 2014
 
Popo wrote:
Guys this all sounds great. Just give the memo to the 700 drug dealers in cornhill and east utica, the 800 sex offenders and 1200 guys straling metal and going three cars every night. We will cut starting now. Also advise the refugee center to stop bringing 900 poeple who pay nothing to your city a year. Remember the same size house as yours in clinton would be 2 to 3 grand a mknth more
this is the exact reason they cant cut cops and firemen. They will be the last to turn the lights out.There is too much imported trash in Utica. Blame the politicians in the county that have been giving the welfare check out so easily. I said this years ago and I finally came to bear on the city via the county. The county will take over the Police agencys ,all of them in the future. All the small towns and both the cities of rome and Utica.Its the only answer.

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