Taxpayers held hostage by unions crippling

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stop it now

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Uticas taxpayers should not be held hostage by union demands of millions of dollars which have been cash strapping the city and home owners for years. Roefaro's beefed up and lucrative contracts to public safety can easily be nullified and voided by a State Control board as it's meets all the criteria for state help but unwilling to use it's power to fight for the taxpayers. There should be no more negotiating with the terrorist unions who have killed the dreams of so many already have have lost the fight and their homes. Negotiating is over and now is the time the mayor and council grow a set and ask for the states help and fight for the taxpayers for a change or Utica mise well push the red button and let itself float down the bage canal for it is useless.
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i christ

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Unions help people get what they deserve. You people need to stop being union rats
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Truth

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i christ wrote:
Unions help people get what they deserve. You people need to stop being union rats
What they deserve?

Who gets to decide? The union?

Shouldn't what a job is worth be based on:
-The number of people with the education and experience to do the job
-The number of qualified applicants
-The amount an employer can pay and still be able to make a reasonable profit
-The amount an employer can pay and still stay competitive in the marketplace

Here's an example. If you work in the public sector in New York your pension is not subject to New York State tax when you retire. that's something the unions fought for and won. If you work in the private sector and retire with a 401k benefit subject to NYS tax. Is it that the union members 'deserve' that treatment more than their pprivate sector counterparts?

Want a glimpse of the future? Look at California where businesses are leaving in droves because of ever increasing taxes and counties, cities, towns, villages going bankrupt because they don't have the resources to pay the legacy benefits of public sector unions.

Use your head. Unions of the past fought for and won many of the workplace benefits that we all now enjoy. Today's unions are more like for profit businesses than anything else.
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Nov 4, 2012
 
Interesting!
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i christ wrote:
Unions help people get what they deserve. You people need to stop being union rats
No, the unions do not derserve my food, medicine and home for their pay. It's is just ludicrist that around 400 employees are bankrupting an entire city in which it holds hostage and are on the verge of losing everything they worked for their whole lives so a few can benefit. Union are contributing to the unfair distribution of wealth and bankrupting of cities and states. Is this what the taxpayers deserve, hell no, get rid of unions!!!!!!
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Truth wrote:
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What they deserve?
Who gets to decide? The union?
Shouldn't what a job is worth be based on:
-The number of people with the education and experience to do the job
-The number of qualified applicants
-The amount an employer can pay and still be able to make a reasonable profit
-The amount an employer can pay and still stay competitive in the marketplace
Here's an example. If you work in the public sector in New York your pension is not subject to New York State tax when you retire. that's something the unions fought for and won. If you work in the private sector and retire with a 401k benefit subject to NYS tax. Is it that the union members 'deserve' that treatment more than their pprivate sector counterparts?
Want a glimpse of the future? Look at California where businesses are leaving in droves because of ever increasing taxes and counties, cities, towns, villages going bankrupt because they don't have the resources to pay the legacy benefits of public sector unions.
Use your head. Unions of the past fought for and won many of the workplace benefits that we all now enjoy. Today's unions are more like for profit businesses than anything else.
Utica is not a business so how does competitive in the marketplace and able to make a profit have to do with anything,and how about the polititians porkbarrel spending i guess that has not affected us and spending money on useless things.
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Uticas taxpayers should not be held hostage by union demands of millions of dollars which have been cash strapping the city and home owners for years. Roefaro's beefed up and lucrative contracts to public safety can easily be nullified and voided by a State Control board as it's meets all the criteria for state help but unwilling to use it's power to fight for the taxpayers. There should be no more negotiating with the terrorist unions who have killed the dreams of so many already have have lost the fight and their homes. Negotiating is over and now is the time the mayor and council grow a set and ask for the states help and fight for the taxpayers for a change or Utica mise well push the red button and let itself float down the bage canal for it is useless.
I totally agree with this post. Right on. Thank you!
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A state control board should step in and take over Utica's budget...the city is 1 centimeter from bankruptcy and being in junk-bond status but it will never happen. As long as you have dinosaurs like Russ Brooks running the UFD and Williams running the police nothing will change. At least Williams isn't as bad as Brooks but he's resistant to any cuts in his dept. Brooks is still living in 1972. When the city budget comes out next spring you're looking at a 15-25% tax hike in prop. tax.
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Nov 4, 2012
 
freebie the bean wrote:
A state control board should step in and take over Utica's budget...the city is 1 centimeter from bankruptcy and being in junk-bond status but it will never happen. As long as you have dinosaurs like Russ Brooks running the UFD and Williams running the police nothing will change. At least Williams isn't as bad as Brooks but he's resistant to any cuts in his dept. Brooks is still living in 1972. When the city budget comes out next spring you're looking at a 15-25% tax hike in prop. tax.
15-25% property tax hike ? How is that possible!??
Truth

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<quoted text>Utica is not a business so how does competitive in the marketplace and able to make a profit have to do with anything,and how about the polititians porkbarrel spending i guess that has not affected us and spending money on useless things.
Had you been paying attention you'd realize that the number one driver of spending increases are the union prevailing wages and benefits. Since the state, the county, the city...... are not revenue producers (businesses) just like what you've said, the only way they raise money for the most part is through taxes and user fees. When they raise taxes and user fees (NYS Thruway is an example of that. Only 6% of the US Interstate system is toll road and NY has the longest) then the state, the county, the city.... are less able to compete for businesses and the jobs that come with them. Unions are responsible for that.

I agree that spending on things like the roundabout, the Stanley, the Utica mayor's boulevard concept for Genesee Street are all examples of wasteful spending with empty promises attached to them. The truth is though that they total a drop in the bucket when compared with what the taxpayers of New York State pay for unions and their influence.
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A state control board should step in and take over Utica's budget...the city is 1 centimeter from bankruptcy and being in junk-bond status but it will never happen. As long as you have dinosaurs like Russ Brooks running the UFD and Williams running the police nothing will change. At least Williams isn't as bad as Brooks but he's resistant to any cuts in his dept. Brooks is still living in 1972. When the city budget comes out next spring you're looking at a 15-25% tax hike in prop. tax.
When state control boards step in one of the first thing they do is void existing union labor contracts. I think if local officials are unwilling or unable to reign in this spending then that is what should be done. Public sector employees are not bad people. They are represented by bad people who put themselves ahead of what is best for the state, county, city....
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Truth wrote:
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When state control boards step in one of the first thing they do is void existing union labor contracts. I think if local officials are unwilling or unable to reign in this spending then that is what should be done. Public sector employees are not bad people. They are represented by bad people who put themselves ahead of what is best for the state, county, city....
This "MUST" happen. The powerful money grab during the Roefaro years were unprecedented during a reccesion where taxpayers were losing everything our Mayor was sleeping with the unions and lining pockets through promotions, raises, perks and benefits for the UPD & UFD that hard hit the taxpayers. Now we have Palmieri benefiting them through smoking mirrors whichs doesn't cut spending one penny in these departments but has only increases there spending to only new unprecedented levels which are creating more hardships for the taxpayers. In these times we have been trambled by taxes in the name of public safety which we are unable to afford or sustain with politcians unwilling to make the neccesary cuts to save taxpayers homes from forclosures, put food on their tables or afford their own medicine and health care. We must either move into bankrupcy or bring in the state "NOW" with an unprecedented "URGENCY" to stave off the next round of tax increases.
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Utica, NY

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Nov 5, 2012
 
It's Truth again, with more words of wisdom. I quote, "Unions of the past fought for and won for many of the workplace benefits that we now all enjoy..." You're welcome; I couldn't have said it better. And a lack of union representation is why those "fought for benefits" as you call them are disappearing for the average employee. So here's the question:are you in a union that will enable you to keep those hard earned benefits, or are you bitter because you've lost those benefits, or are you part of management that's kept them for yourselves but removed them from your employees? Interesting that you acknowledge their assistance-"benefits WE(not THEY) all enjoy",but seem eager to eliminate the organization that provided them for you.
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15-25% property tax hike ? How is that possible!??
It'll be possible since the city has about $15K in its reserve fund. There is NOTHING there!!!! Utica has to wait for its share of state aid to come in every quarter just to meet payroll and pay its bills. THEY HAVE NO CASH RESERVES! Thats why the common council will be backed up against the wall and agree to exceed the prop. tax cap of 2%. They will have no choice but to impose a huge tax increase and exceed the 2% cap. Just wait till next spring...case closed.
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It'll be possible since the city has about $15K in its reserve fund. There is NOTHING there!!!! Utica has to wait for its share of state aid to come in every quarter just to meet payroll and pay its bills. THEY HAVE NO CASH RESERVES! Thats why the common council will be backed up against the wall and agree to exceed the prop. tax cap of 2%. They will have no choice but to impose a huge tax increase and exceed the 2% cap. Just wait till next spring...case closed.
Exactly!!!!!!!!! The Mayor, Bucciero, Morehouse, and Cerminaro are the biggest enablers that continue to give in to the UPD, UFD, and there unions. They give them all that they want and beyond with no accountability to the taxpayers of this city. With the unending syphoning of taxpayers money, revenues, and city accounts the state must now step in or we mise well start the bankrupcy proceedings. These guys have no concept of the cities finances, the city being broke, or the raping of taxpayers every year through huge tax increases, there only solution. They must be stopped and they must be stopped now before the spring and the take over of city hall by UFD and UPD employees who want every home in Utica to be sold for their pay. Enough is enough!!!!!!!!!
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It's Truth again, with more words of wisdom. I quote, "Unions of the past fought for and won for many of the workplace benefits that we now all enjoy..." You're welcome; I couldn't have said it better. And a lack of union representation is why those "fought for benefits" as you call them are disappearing for the average employee. So here's the question:are you in a union that will enable you to keep those hard earned benefits, or are you bitter because you've lost those benefits, or are you part of management that's kept them for yourselves but removed them from your employees? Interesting that you acknowledge their assistance-"benefits WE(not THEY) all enjoy",but seem eager to eliminate the organization that provided them for you.
Unions = Welfare. Get off the dole. You are speaking like its the 1950s.....no place for unions anymore. They are putting the final nails in Utica's coffin meanwhile!
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Stu wrote:
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Unions = Welfare. Get off the dole. You are speaking like its the 1950s.....no place for unions anymore. They are putting the final nails in Utica's coffin meanwhile!
Exactly stu. Now the union feel entitled two make 2-3 sometimes four times more than the private sector and average wages. In Utica we can thank the Roefaro & rubber stamp co. for making that happen in Utica, the highest increases in Utica history during the worse recession in history since the great depression.
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Local government and the mayor remain a huge hurdle for taxpayers.

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