Why are there no jobs in Utica?

Why are there no jobs in Utica?

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Laid off and concerned

Syracuse, NY

#1 Jan 13, 2009
I have two bachelors degrees and have applied to every business in and around Utica and central NY and have yet to hear back after months from ANYONE. I HAVE to leave here. I want to stay because of family but I cant support myself here. So sad. And yes my resume is in top shape and I have plenty of experience and credentials. Maybe too much for this area, so save your wise cracks. Seriously though, why is this place in shambles and why does it turn talent away. Ill take 35k for god sakes, nothing.
Topic King

New York, NY

#2 Jan 13, 2009
There should be a ton of jobs round here...noone in cornhill has one
WOW

Syracuse, NY

#3 Jan 13, 2009
Laid off and concerned
This area employers have a monopoly sort of speak in what they believe the prevailing wage is. None of them want to pay.$35,000.00 is a lot of money to them. Unfortunately, the Carbones, the Indians, Conmed, APAC, Utica National, Retail outfits and others feel that working for an average of $24,000 a year is alot of money. I would like to start a show, where we take all the owners of these places and have them try to survive on the, "Prevailing wage." Let's get Keeler in on this!
Hob

Tully, NY

#4 Jan 13, 2009
In a nutshell: The political parasites we have ALWAYS had are all that's left on a once fat cow.

Look at the patent $h1t your DAs office is running at trails.

Look how the man who perfected that method and network is rewarded as Congressman.

Look at RoAnn Destito who rakes in over a million a year for connecting her husband to a fuoking casino with her influence. Little else but rubberstamp whatever $hlt Albany's spendthrift powerbrokers tell her to.

Look at the fraud Donna Donovan, Publisher of the Utica Observer Dispatch, who made her livelyhood pumping the "good news" your politicians have told you for years. She makes good coin scandalizing anything that doesn't hurt her Arcurious connection. Murders, molesters, intersperced with fluffypillow E! garbage.
Oh and she tried to forget to tell you when her DWI-challenged son Andrew almost killed a man, wrecked his car and ran from the police. Meanwhile, speak of hipocracy an almost exact case got what? TWO DAYS of her front page realty just 3-4 days prior? OOOPS!

Wanna talk about the Roefaro Employment Agency running City Hall at Arcuri's behest? The first thing they did when they got in there and locked and CCTV'd the place like a compound. The "Open Government" canary dropped dead in its cage on day one.

Let's discuss the Utica Department of Public Works, which for at least 20 years under You Know Who's leadership has functioned as the chute for The Uticafella's gutter-ball relatives.

Rufus Elefante? What a piece of $hlt.

How about New York State under Cuomo, Pataki, Spitzer, and let's not forget about Yancey Roy's infamous three men under a staircase? What about not passing a budget on time for OVER TWENTY YEARS!

Joe Bruno? He's almost as high on my list of thieving scumbags as Elefante.

These are the people that let you down.

And guess what?

Most of them are still in office, cashhing your checks.

In short, it's people getting over on the people who pay the bills.
Topic King

New York, NY

#5 Jan 13, 2009
Let's discuss the Utica Department of Public Works, which for at least 20 years under You Know Who's leadership has functioned as the chute for The Uticafella's gutter-ball relatives.

Who is you know who?
curfew

Saranac Lake, NY

#6 Jan 13, 2009
Laid off and concerned wrote:
I have two bachelors degrees and have applied to every business in and around Utica and central NY and have yet to hear back after months from ANYONE. I HAVE to leave here. I want to stay because of family but I cant support myself here. So sad. And yes my resume is in top shape and I have plenty of experience and credentials. Maybe too much for this area, so save your wise cracks. Seriously though, why is this place in shambles and why does it turn talent away. Ill take 35k for god sakes, nothing.
I find that most people who grew up here are blind to Utica's shabbiness. Having never lived anywhere else they have nothing to compare Utica to. Spending one's formative years in Utica also adds to this "blindness."

I didn't grow up here or spend too many of my formative years here so I don't have that problem. I've always known that Utica was a shabby town, but like all people who live here I sometimes have to work hard at "seeing" the blight that is everywhere.

Whenever I leave Utica and spend a few days somewhere else I feel like I come alive with happiness and excitement. All the smartness, sophistication, bigness and prosperity of other cities leaves Utica in the dust. The more I get out and see other parts of America the more I don't want to come back to the Sh*tHawk Valley.
A few questions

Rome, NY

#7 Jan 13, 2009
Laid off and concerned
You say you have two degrees. Great! For what area of study did you receive your degrees?
How marketable are those skills?
I had a college professor who told us, "College does not educate you but makes you educatable."
And ... yes it does help to know a few people who can help you get an interview. After that it's all up to you.
For what type of positions have you applied?
How much experience do you have in your given field(s)?
Have you looked outside your field of study?
Have you tried the not-for-profit sector?
Have you thought about the Small Business Development Center at SUNY to see if mayme you can parlay your education and experience into starting your own company?
Are there any professional organizations affiliated with your background, i.e. Ad Club, Personnel Managers Association, etc.?
In this job market you have to look beyond the obvious.
Joe

Oneida, NY

#8 Jan 13, 2009
That is why everyone is moving out of New York State. No good paying jobs.Can't survive on these wages and we are taxed to death.
ryan

Chittenango, NY

#9 Jan 13, 2009
same here, i'm moving to an actual city!
scuzzbag

Saranac Lake, NY

#10 Jan 13, 2009
ryan wrote:
same here, i'm moving to an actual city!
At least then you'll have a fighting chance. Nothing here but rats.
Mike

Englewood, CO

#11 Jan 13, 2009
My son recently obtained his masters degree in computer science with honors from a prominent university. He also did an internship with a defense contractor in Boston.

After being away from family for several years he wanted to move back here so he could be around our very close family. He became so frustrated with the lack of careers in the area which would be commensurate in pay to his skill and education, that he decided to take a job with a local electronics retailer, until something better materializes.

After spending hundreds and thousands of dollars to get a great education, he's become somewhat disenchanted with the whole college thing, and the lack of progression in central NY.

Our family (8 of us) is considering a move to the Charlotte area. Hey Oneida County! There goes more tax revenue leaving for another state. When are you idiots going to stop being self-serving slugs and start realizing that your attitude towards your citizens and your cronyism is going to jeopardize your own futures, let alone everyone else's?

nice try

Saranac Lake, NY

#12 Jan 13, 2009
Mike wrote:
My son recently obtained his masters degree in computer science with honors from a prominent university. He also did an internship with a defense contractor in Boston.
After being away from family for several years he wanted to move back here so he could be around our very close family. He became so frustrated with the lack of careers in the area which would be commensurate in pay to his skill and education, that he decided to take a job with a local electronics retailer, until something better materializes.
After spending hundreds and thousands of dollars to get a great education, he's become somewhat disenchanted with the whole college thing, and the lack of progression in central NY.
Our family (8 of us) is considering a move to the Charlotte area. Hey Oneida County! There goes more tax revenue leaving for another state. When are you idiots going to stop being self-serving slugs and start realizing that your attitude towards your citizens and your cronyism is going to jeopardize your own futures, let alone everyone else's?
you = liar

Everything is believable about this story except the part about your son wanting to move back to the Utica area after attending a very prominent university and working and living in Boston. Even if he was close to his family I don't think he'd move back. He'd probably try to convince his family to move closer to him.

Once somebody gets a taste of the real world (Utica is not the real world, not even close) they'll never want to move back to Tiny Town again (that's what I call Utica). If you wanted us to at least believe you a little bit you should have said that your son attended Syracuse and worked in the Oswego area before becoming homesick. I'm sure that happens a lot. But nobody ever attends NYU and then says, "Gee, I miss all of my unemployed friends in Utica."
Foreman

Utica, NY

#13 Jan 13, 2009
Laid off and concerned wrote:
I have two bachelors degrees and have applied to every business in and around Utica and central NY and have yet to hear back after months from ANYONE. I HAVE to leave here. I want to stay because of family but I cant support myself here. So sad. And yes my resume is in top shape and I have plenty of experience and credentials. Maybe too much for this area, so save your wise cracks. Seriously though, why is this place in shambles and why does it turn talent away. Ill take 35k for god sakes, nothing.
Maybe if the Catholics left Utica people might come back. It's not too nice having Catholicism forced down your throat every day.
Sean75

Tully, NY

#14 Jan 13, 2009
nice try wrote:
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you = liar
Everything is believable about this story except the part about your son wanting to move back to the Utica area after attending a very prominent university and working and living in Boston. Even if he was close to his family I don't think he'd move back. He'd probably try to convince his family to move closer to him.
Once somebody gets a taste of the real world (Utica is not the real world, not even close) they'll never want to move back to Tiny Town again (that's what I call Utica). If you wanted us to at least believe you a little bit you should have said that your son attended Syracuse and worked in the Oswego area before becoming homesick. I'm sure that happens a lot. But nobody ever attends NYU and then says, "Gee, I miss all of my unemployed friends in Utica."
Not true. I know a few people and a whole family that came "back" about 3 years ago. The older parents moved up by Canada to work on the res and the daughter and her children moved to the valley.

It happens. Nicer try.
Mike

Englewood, CO

#15 Jan 13, 2009
You shouldn't be so judgmental. He also came back to Utica to be with his mother who was diagnosed with cancer. It was a lot easier for him to come back here than for all of us to move out there. He made the sacrifice because he wanted to. It's also why we're considering moving to Charlotte which we more than likely will.

nice try wrote:
<quoted text>
you = liar
Everything is believable about this story except the part about your son wanting to move back to the Utica area after attending a very prominent university and working and living in Boston. Even if he was close to his family I don't think he'd move back. He'd probably try to convince his family to move closer to him.
Once somebody gets a taste of the real world (Utica is not the real world, not even close) they'll never want to move back to Tiny Town again (that's what I call Utica). If you wanted us to at least believe you a little bit you should have said that your son attended Syracuse and worked in the Oswego area before becoming homesick. I'm sure that happens a lot. But nobody ever attends NYU and then says, "Gee, I miss all of my unemployed friends in Utica."
curious george

Durhamville, NY

#16 Jan 14, 2009
WOW wrote:
Laid off and concerned
This area employers have a monopoly sort of speak in what they believe the prevailing wage is. None of them want to pay.$35,000.00 is a lot of money to them. Unfortunately, the Carbones, the Indians, Conmed, APAC, Utica National, Retail outfits and others feel that working for an average of $24,000 a year is alot of money. I would like to start a show, where we take all the owners of these places and have them try to survive on the, "Prevailing wage." Let's get Keeler in on this!
Great Idea!!!! Keeler get on it!!!!!!!!!
Sumo

New Hartford, NY

#17 Jan 14, 2009
curious george wrote:
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Great Idea!!!! Keeler get on it!!!!!!!!!
What's worse is the employers who call $8.50 per hour a competitive wage. Practically every job listed at centralnewyorkhelpwanted.com claims to offer competitive wages or salaries while most pay $8.50-$9.00 per hour. I applied for a job in New York City and they said to me, "We're not going to lie to you, the salary is not as high as some other jobs. We can only offer you $30,000 per year."
WOW

Syracuse, NY

#18 Jan 14, 2009
SUMo, I hear ya. Like I said, these employers don't want to pay. They keep getting rich and richer and the poor has no oter place to go!
Sumo

New Hartford, NY

#19 Jan 14, 2009
WOW wrote:
SUMo, I hear ya. Like I said, these employers don't want to pay. They keep getting rich and richer and the poor has no oter place to go!
Nope, the directors and other top management people are usually only slightly less poor than the one guy who does all the work and gets paid almost nothing.
Tired of it all

Rome, NY

#20 Jan 15, 2009
I am in this boat. 28, underpaid, and pissed off. I COULD go back to get my Masters, but what is the point? I educate myself, which is great, but the $$$$$ for tuition? I won't earn that 30,000 back for decades. I am in deferment on all of my undergrad loans because the powers that be in Utica decided that you have to know-someone-who-knows-someone -who-knows-someone and THAT IS HOW YOU GET JOBS! Whats worse is, I see my boss's clients come in here, some who are college educated and without phone lines and working two/three jobs per week, and others who knew-someone-who, and they have no college training and earn 80,000 or higher. PS - the higher the money made by a utican the MORE THEY BITCH THAT THEY ARE BROKE.

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