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Concerned

Carthage, NY

#1 Aug 18, 2014
Rumor has it that more than half of the teachers at our new "elite charter school" left for new jobs within the past two months. No one was fired/let go; all too young to retire. If such energetic young teachers are bailing after just a year, then there's no way this can be good news. I'm having mixed feelings now about continuing to send my kids there. Anyone else got a bad feeling out there? Am I alone? Is it still the better of five or six evils?
Realist

Selkirk, NY

#2 Aug 18, 2014
Concerned wrote:
Rumor has it that more than half of the teachers at our new "elite charter school" left for new jobs within the past two months. No one was fired/let go; all too young to retire. If such energetic young teachers are bailing after just a year, then there's no way this can be good news. I'm having mixed feelings now about continuing to send my kids there. Anyone else got a bad feeling out there? Am I alone? Is it still the better of five or six evils?
Your first mistake was being sucked in by all the "wonderful" so called reviews for charter schools. Most of those that open close within five years. Students fair no better than public school students on tests. Teachers need not to be certified- just like the teachers that taught in all the Catholic schools. Remember charter schools are private therefore they exist to make money. Worst thing to ever happen in our area. Pull your kids out-they will thank you for doing so in the long run.
Opel

Utica, NY

#3 Aug 18, 2014
Realist wrote:
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Your first mistake was being sucked in by all the "wonderful" so called reviews for charter schools. Most of those that open close within five years. Students fair no better than public school students on tests. Teachers need not to be certified- just like the teachers that taught in all the Catholic schools. Remember charter schools are private therefore they exist to make money. Worst thing to ever happen in our area. Pull your kids out-they will thank you for doing so in the long run.
You are a filthy liar and YOUR two previous posts are transparent. Whatever your sick and pathetic agenda is, it will not work. You sound like a psychotic desperado from the failed Catholic school system. To set the record straight, the charter school is doing just fine. Better than anticipated. And it will continue to thrive despite your best topix attempts to the contrary, sicko.
Truth

Whitesboro, NY

#4 Aug 18, 2014
Regardless of certification, all students have to take the same standard tests in public and parochial schools. That requires the same curriculum. One of the things that public school teacher's unions fear the most is test scores in the charter schools and parochial schools being higher than in the traditional schools. That would show them for what they are.

I have a feeling that the person who started this thread with this story about mass teacher defections from the charter school may be just trying to stir something up. Think about it. If that many teachers had left the charter school it would be the lead story on WKTV and on the front page of the OD. I've seen no stories except those that say that the charter school is where they want to be at this stage of the 5 year charter.

I'm sure that some of the next responses will be the usual excuses for why the test scores are lower in the traditional public schools. The problem with those excuses is that the charter school is a public school and the attendees are chosen in a random lottery from apool of interested public school students.
Truth

Whitesboro, NY

#5 Aug 18, 2014
Opel wrote:
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You are a filthy liar and YOUR two previous posts are transparent. Whatever your sick and pathetic agenda is, it will not work. You sound like a psychotic desperado from the failed Catholic school system. To set the record straight, the charter school is doing just fine. Better than anticipated. And it will continue to thrive despite your best topix attempts to the contrary, sicko.
I don't think he/she is from the Catholic school system. I think this person is more likely from the traditional public school and has union ties. The traditional public school teacher's worst nightmare is that the for-profit charter school with no union shows them up.
Realist

Selkirk, NY

#6 Aug 18, 2014
Opel wrote:
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You are a filthy liar and YOUR two previous posts are transparent. Whatever your sick and pathetic agenda is, it will not work. You sound like a psychotic desperado from the failed Catholic school system. To set the record straight, the charter school is doing just fine. Better than anticipated. And it will continue to thrive despite your best topix attempts to the contrary, sicko.
I am not a filthy liar as you say. I only wrote one reply to you not two as you suggested. I am a product of the Catholic school system and I will say I received a far better education than students are receiving today. I was just stating fact. Sorry if I upset you but some people just can't stand to see both sides of an issue. Charter schools are experiencing good times right now because of all the problems being presented in public schools. They claim to be the "savior" of education but you'll see they are only driven by profit! They are not the answer.
Parent

Selkirk, NY

#7 Aug 18, 2014
Wait - soon they will start dumping the kids who aren't doing well and passing so that their stats look good. Read about what happened to charter schools in Louisiana when parents realized their kids weren't accepted the next year when their averages were low.
Slothrop

Ithaca, NY

#8 Aug 18, 2014
Truth wrote:
Regardless of certification, all students have to take the same standard tests in public and parochial schools. That requires the same curriculum. One of the things that public school teacher's unions fear the most is test scores in the charter schools and parochial schools being higher than in the traditional schools. That would show them for what they are.
I have a feeling that the person who started this thread with this story about mass teacher defections from the charter school may be just trying to stir something up. Think about it. If that many teachers had left the charter school it would be the lead story on WKTV and on the front page of the OD. I've seen no stories except those that say that the charter school is where they want to be at this stage of the 5 year charter.
I'm sure that some of the next responses will be the usual excuses for why the test scores are lower in the traditional public schools. The problem with those excuses is that the charter school is a public school and the attendees are chosen in a random lottery from apool of interested public school students.
Kids who go to charter schools have involved parents who know about the charters and decide to send kids there. That alone makes the charter population different than Utica schools. Kids from dysfunctional families or new refugee families remain in the public schools. So of course charter students may have better scores.
Hardly

Utica, NY

#9 Aug 19, 2014
Realist wrote:
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I am not a filthy liar as you say. I only wrote one reply to you not two as you suggested. I am a product of the Catholic school system and I will say I received a far better education than students are receiving today. I was just stating fact. Sorry if I upset you but some people just can't stand to see both sides of an issue. Charter schools are experiencing good times right now because of all the problems being presented in public schools. They claim to be the "savior" of education but you'll see they are only driven by profit! They are not the answer.
Your education has failed you dearie. Charter schools are public schools. At the very least do a little research before you post. Didn't they teach you that in school? Charter schools are funded by tax dollars and are not profit driven. You get an F on your submission.
rocco

Utica, NY

#10 Aug 19, 2014
Realist wrote:
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Your first mistake was being sucked in by all the "wonderful" so called reviews for charter schools. Most of those that open close within five years. Students fair no better than public school students on tests. Teachers need not to be certified- just like the teachers that taught in all the Catholic schools. Remember charter schools are private therefore they exist to make money. Worst thing to ever happen in our area. Pull your kids out-they will thank you for doing so in the long run.
Charter schools are public schools and are funded by public money. You need to get your facts straight before you post. It sounds as if you have never read one fact about charter schools, dummy. Did you even go to school at all?
Truth

Utica, NY

#11 Aug 19, 2014
Slothrop wrote:
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Kids who go to charter schools have involved parents who know about the charters and decide to send kids there. That alone makes the charter population different than Utica schools. Kids from dysfunctional families or new refugee families remain in the public schools. So of course charter students may have better scores.
And you know this how?
Is there a list?

The charter school is open to any public school student and you can't tell me that the vast majority of parents don't want the best education available for their children regardless where they come from. What you've stated is just another one of the convenient excuses floated by public school defenders for why public schools are in decline.

Isn't it a possibility that charter schools have a better formula for preparing children, any children, for the real world? I know that if that were to be proven it would be a tremendous blow to the monopoly union drive public school system. That's why we hear so much rhetoric like yours. All you have to do is follow the money in order to figure all of this out.
Idea

Syracuse, NY

#12 Aug 19, 2014
Truth wrote:
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And you know this how?
Is there a list?
The charter school is open to any public school student and you can't tell me that the vast majority of parents don't want the best education available for their children regardless where they come from. What you've stated is just another one of the convenient excuses floated by public school defenders for why public schools are in decline.
Isn't it a possibility that charter schools have a better formula for preparing children, any children, for the real world? I know that if that were to be proven it would be a tremendous blow to the monopoly union drive public school system. That's why we hear so much rhetoric like yours. All you have to do is follow the money in order to figure all of this out.
Ok, so let's fix both schools. Since charters are better, let's send all the kids that need the most help to them. They can get their extended school hours and more intensive help there. All ESL and low performing kids should go to the charter which should help them and everyone else that's middle to high achieving should stay in the public school. It's a win- win. Then all kids should end up at least middle achiever a, right?
janine

Utica, NY

#13 Aug 19, 2014
The initial poster is a union person for the teachers. It reeks of the underhanded, lying and manipulative ways of the teachers union. His/her purpose was to stir up controversy and spread lies because the teachers at the charter school are not required to join a union. And they think the charter school is taking away money from them( which it is not.) It is a matter of union and district greed. If you want correct information on charter schools do not expect to get it here. Simply google it on the nys ed site or go by and visit the charter school and talk to those in charge and get the info first hand. They are welcoming and they have no reason to lie like the union rep. Like it or not charter schools are here to stay and will grow in number. The ucsd screwed itself over long ago by its hiring practices, devious union practices, and a general attitude of greed. There was never any real concern for the children because they thought they were autonomous and untouchable. They still do. Stay away from them. They harm children's learning ability.
Truth

Utica, NY

#14 Aug 19, 2014
Idea wrote:
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Ok, so let's fix both schools. Since charters are better, let's send all the kids that need the most help to them. They can get their extended school hours and more intensive help there. All ESL and low performing kids should go to the charter which should help them and everyone else that's middle to high achieving should stay in the public school. It's a win- win. Then all kids should end up at least middle achiever a, right?
By all means let's fix both. I didn't say charters are better. They are an alternative. The jury is still out on whether charters do a better job. I'm an advocate for an educational system where all of our children get an education that puts the U.S. on the incline rather than decline when compared with the rest of the world. If the non-union charter for-profit charter school model proves over the long run to be more effective then lets adopt it for all public schools. The purpose of the public school system is to educate children, not to enrich teachers and administrators.

My point goes more to the money we spend to educate. We taxpayers have been spending more and more every year while at the same time watching educational outcomes in decline. When was the last time your yearly school tax bill went down? Doesn't that say that money isn't necessarily the problem? When most of the money ends up in the pockets of teachers and administrators rather than the classroom this is what we get in my opinion. The non-union charter school model is a threat to the status quo and that's why we hear things like the person who originated this thread said.
Concerned

Carthage, NY

#15 Aug 19, 2014
janine wrote:
The initial poster is a union person for the teachers. It reeks of the underhanded, lying and manipulative ways of the teachers union. His/her purpose was to stir up controversy and spread lies because the teachers at the charter school are not required to join a union. And they think the charter school is taking away money from them( which it is not.) It is a matter of union and district greed.
I can promise that the above is absolutely untrue. Of course, my word means nothing on a site like this, so feel free to believe whatever you want to believe. While I have apparently succeeded in creating some controversy, that was absolutely not the point of this post. Furthermore, even though public schools often have unions, a teacher is not required to join a union at any type of school that I am presently aware of.
janine wrote:
If you want correct information on charter schools do not expect to get it here. Simply google it on the nys ed site or go by and visit the charter school and talk to those in charge and get the info first hand. They are welcoming and they have no reason to lie like the union rep.
Great idea. Go talk to them. Go ask how many teachers left this past year and ask why. Ask why they're bringing in several faculty members from Turkey. Ask why a current listing of the school's faculty is completely absent from their website. While you're at it, you might as well go for the full monty. Ask how they are related to the Islamic Gulen movement. But google the words utica academy gulen before you ask them and do a bit of your own research first. When you get their denial, when they state outright that they are not a Gulen school, then try to convince yourself "they have no reason to lie" about anything. This school is just like any other—it has an agenda and reasons to lie when it suits them.
janine wrote:
Like it or not charter schools are here to stay and will grow in number.
I personally have no problem with charter schools. The point of my original post remains unchanged. That is to say that I am particularly concerned about this particular charter school due to the number of teachers jumping ship. My concern would be the same if it were a non-charter public school or a private school, Catholic or otherwise. Notre Dame and the other Utica-area schools don't seem to have nearly as high of a teacher turnover percentage.
Hardly

Springfield, NJ

#16 Aug 19, 2014
Concerned wrote:
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I can promise that the above is absolutely untrue. Of course, my word means nothing on a site like this, so feel free to believe whatever you want to believe. While I have apparently succeeded in creating some controversy, that was absolutely not the point of this post. Furthermore, even though public schools often have unions, a teacher is not required to join a union at any type of school that I am presently aware of.
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Great idea. Go talk to them. Go ask how many teachers left this past year and ask why. Ask why they're bringing in several faculty members from Turkey. Ask why a current listing of the school's faculty is completely absent from their website. While you're at it, you might as well go for the full monty. Ask how they are related to the Islamic Gulen movement. But google the words utica academy gulen before you ask them and do a bit of your own research first. When you get their denial, when they state outright that they are not a Gulen school, then try to convince yourself "they have no reason to lie" about anything. This school is just like any other—it has an agenda and reasons to lie when it suits them.
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I personally have no problem with charter schools. The point of my original post remains unchanged. That is to say that I am particularly concerned about this particular charter school due to the number of teachers jumping ship. My concern would be the same if it were a non-charter public school or a private school, Catholic or otherwise. Notre Dame and the other Utica-area schools don't seem to have nearly as high of a teacher turnover percentage.
You are not only a liar, you are completely crazy. Get your prescription refilled.... Immediately.
Parent

Troy, NY

#17 Aug 19, 2014
rocco wrote:
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Charter schools are public schools and are funded by public money. You need to get your facts straight before you post. It sounds as if you have never read one fact about charter schools, dummy. Did you even go to school at all?
Read Truths answer- he states that charter schools are for profit. I guess you don't know what you are talking about !!!!!!
omg

Utica, NY

#18 Aug 19, 2014
Parent wrote:
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Read Truths answer- he states that charter schools are for profit. I guess you don't know what you are talking about !!!!!!
Charter schools are public schools funded by tax dollars.

READ: http://www.uncommonschools.org/faq-what-is-ch...

or choose the source of your choice. They all say the same thing. CHARTER SCHOOLS ARE PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND ARE FUNDED BY TAX DOLLARS.
uh huh

Utica, NY

#19 Aug 19, 2014
Parent wrote:
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Read Truths answer- he states that charter schools are for profit. I guess you don't know what you are talking about !!!!!!
Truth is one of the biggest bullshitters and liars this site has ever seen. Wake up and do your own homework. Charter schools are public schools funded by public dollars. There are only about a million places where you can find the answer but you rely on topix.. there is no help for you.
dinka

Utica, NY

#20 Aug 19, 2014
Parent wrote:
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Read Truths answer- he states that charter schools are for profit. I guess you don't know what you are talking about !!!!!!
Taken from the NYS dept of education website. Go argue with them, fool.

http://www.p12.nysed.gov/psc/about.html

What is a Charter School?
Charter schools are publicly funded and open to all students in New York State through a non-discriminatory admissions lottery. Each charter school is governed by a not-for-profit board of trustees which may include educators, community members, and leaders from the private sector. Charters have freedom to establish their own policies, design their own educational program, and manage their human and financial resources. Charter schools are accountable, through the terms of a five-year performance contract, for high student achievement.

Charter schools were established to:

Provide families with an increased number of high quality school choices;
Improve student achievement;
Increase learning opportunities for all students, with an emphasis on at-risk students;
Encourage use of innovative teaching methods/educational designs;
Create new professional opportunities for teachers, administrators, school staff;
Change from rule-based to performance based accountability
Enrolling your child in a Charter School

Any child eligible for admission to a traditional public school is eligible for admission to a charter public school. Admission to a charter school cannot be limited on the basis of disability, race, creed, gender, national origin, religion, ancestry, intellectual ability, measures of achievement or aptitude, or athletic ability. If the number of applicants exceeds the number of available seats, a random selection process, such as a lottery, must be used. However, charter schools do give preferences to “at risk” students, siblings of students already enrolled in the charter school, and students living in the charter school’s school district of location.

If you are interested in applying for admission to any charter school, you must contact the charter school directly to inquire about its application /enrollment timeline and process. Please look up our charter school directory page for the most up-to-date information on the location of charter schools, contact information, and grade levels served.

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