Minimum Wage Increase?

Minimum Wage Increase?

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The Tea Party

Laguna Niguel, CA

#1 Jan 25, 2014
Minimum Wage?
If you've got minimum skills, minimum education, show minimum motivation and provide minimum contribution to the workplace, why the hell should someone be forced to pay you more?
decide

Chittenango, NY

#2 Jan 25, 2014
well either the EMPLOYERS pay a LIVING wage or their employees will be working full time AND collecting those welfare benefits that WE fund. welcome to the wal-martization of america! no wonder the tea baggers are circling the drain.
Truth

Utica, NY

#3 Jan 27, 2014
decide wrote:
well either the EMPLOYERS pay a LIVING wage or their employees will be working full time AND collecting those welfare benefits that WE fund. welcome to the wal-martization of america! no wonder the tea baggers are circling the drain.
Please explain to me how raising the minimum wage will help the economy and be an overall benefit for all Americans. A great place to start would be to explain where the money will come from to facilitate the increase.
u r a tool

Syracuse, NY

#4 Jan 27, 2014
Truth wrote:
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Please explain to me how raising the minimum wage will help the economy and be an overall benefit for all Americans. A great place to start would be to explain where the money will come from to facilitate the increase.
More than 700,000 American workers would be lifted out of poverty
More than 1 million retail workers and their family members live in or close to poverty. By raising the minimum wage of full-time workers to the equivalent of $12.25 per hour, 734,075 people would be lifted out of poverty and an additional 769,191 people living near the poverty line would see their incomes rise to more than 150 percent above the poverty line.
GDP would rise by as much as $15.2 billion
A wage increase to $12.25 an hour would impact more than 5 million workers and their families. As these families have access to more money, they will spend more, translating to as much as $15.2 billion in new economic activity, according to Demos.
132,000 new jobs could be created
If the increase in economic activity reached $15.2 billion, retailers would need 132,000 new employees.
The wage increase would actually only cost retailers about 1 percent of total sales
Large retailers would need to absorb the higher labor cost for the 3.5 million workers earning less than $12.25 per hour. But according to Demos, most of this increase in costs would be returned to the firm in the form of productivity gains and increased revenues, amounting to only 1 percent of their total yearly sales.
It would generate as much as $5 billion in additional retail revenue
In fact, assuming that low-income families spend rather than save the money from the wage increase, retailers could expect at least 20 cents in new revenue for every additional payroll dollar. That would have added up to as much as $5 billion in 2012.
The average shopper would pay just 15 cents more per shopping trip at most
Even if the nation's largest retailers decided to pass off the cost of a $12.25 minimum wage increase entirely to customers, Demos found that an average household would spend just 7 to 15 cents more per shopping trip.
YEA RIGHT

Utica, NY

#5 Jan 27, 2014
u r a tool wrote:
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More than 700,000 American workers would be lifted out of poverty
More than 1 million retail workers and their family members live in or close to poverty. By raising the minimum wage of full-time workers to the equivalent of $12.25 per hour, 734,075 people would be lifted out of poverty and an additional 769,191 people living near the poverty line would see their incomes rise to more than 150 percent above the poverty line.
GDP would rise by as much as $15.2 billion
A wage increase to $12.25 an hour would impact more than 5 million workers and their families. As these families have access to more money, they will spend more, translating to as much as $15.2 billion in new economic activity, according to Demos.
132,000 new jobs could be created
If the increase in economic activity reached $15.2 billion, retailers would need 132,000 new employees.
The wage increase would actually only cost retailers about 1 percent of total sales
Large retailers would need to absorb the higher labor cost for the 3.5 million workers earning less than $12.25 per hour. But according to Demos, most of this increase in costs would be returned to the firm in the form of productivity gains and increased revenues, amounting to only 1 percent of their total yearly sales.
It would generate as much as $5 billion in additional retail revenue
In fact, assuming that low-income families spend rather than save the money from the wage increase, retailers could expect at least 20 cents in new revenue for every additional payroll dollar. That would have added up to as much as $5 billion in 2012.
The average shopper would pay just 15 cents more per shopping trip at most
Even if the nation's largest retailers decided to pass off the cost of a $12.25 minimum wage increase entirely to customers, Demos found that an average household would spend just 7 to 15 cents more per shopping trip.
I DONT WANT TO PAY MORE OF ANYTHING !!!!!THE BUSINESSESS WILL PASS ON THE COST TO US AND YOUR NUMBERS ARE SKEWED.15 CENTS? YEA IN FANTASY LAND
u r a tool too

Syracuse, NY

#6 Jan 27, 2014
YEA RIGHT wrote:
<quoted text>I DONT WANT TO PAY MORE OF ANYTHING !!!!!THE BUSINESSESS WILL PASS ON THE COST TO US AND YOUR NUMBERS ARE SKEWED.15 CENTS? YEA IN FANTASY LAND
Of course businesses will have to pass the cost on to us. ALL of us, including ALL consumers wether they be tax payers or not. Get it? And business have to compete for our dollars. I can't choose wether or not to pay my taxes but if I don't like the prices of 1 burger joint I can eat at home or check out the competition. OR lets just keep subsidizing the welfare benefits of FULL TIME workers! That makes more sense to you? One way or another we pay. Choose.
Jim

United States

#8 Jan 27, 2014
Whitesboros Abusive COs wrote:
This is how you keep the black man down, you whites always frame the blacks for crime.
Gimme a break. All you blacks know how to do is play basketball, collect welfare, and commit crimes. It's nobodys fault but your own.
Dave is wild today

New Hartford, NY

#10 Jan 27, 2014
Whitesboros Abusive COs wrote:
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Truth
Hating for 5 hours straight!
Paul Vallely

Windsor Locks, CT

#11 Jan 27, 2014
decide wrote:
well either the EMPLOYERS pay a LIVING wage or their employees will be working full time AND collecting those welfare benefits that WE fund.
or they'll be breaking into your house to steal your stuff.
Truth

Utica, NY

#13 Jan 27, 2014
u r a tool wrote:
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More than 700,000 American workers would be lifted out of poverty
More than 1 million retail workers and their family members live in or close to poverty. By raising the minimum wage of full-time workers to the equivalent of $12.25 per hour, 734,075 people would be lifted out of poverty and an additional 769,191 people living near the poverty line would see their incomes rise to more than 150 percent above the poverty line.
GDP would rise by as much as $15.2 billion..........
First, when you cut and paste you should really give credit to the author. Otherwise it's called it plagiarism. It demonstrates an inability to think for yourself when you rely that completely on the opinions of others to support yours. When I did a simple search of your text I find that it comes from Russian website:
http://so-l.ru/news/show/12755806
Source for the information is the far left website Demos.
Both interesting choices and hardly objective.

Second, our entire post is a guess. They are projections that come right from the playbook of those who want to re-distribute wealth. There is absolutely no guarantee of the outcome suggested in the information you plagiarized.

In the real world the cost of the increase would fall to the consumer and to the business. Businesses exist to make money. They don't exist to create jobs. They don't exist to provide a particular lifestyle for workers. They exist to make money for their owners. That isn't only the Palm Beach fat cats that people like you are more than happy to vilify. It includes people with 401k's, IRA's, pension funds.........

Lets look at a real world example. Most manufacturing of goods sold in the United States takes place overseas these days. Iconic American goods like Levis jeans are no longer made in America. Every toy sold in Disneyland, Disney World and Disney stores are now made in places like China and Vietnam. Why is this? It's because the cost of American labor (root cause:labor unions) increases the cost of those goods beyond a point most Americans are willing to pay. Over the years labor unions won many battles for their membership, holding the employers feet to the fire, but in the end lost the war because of the increased cost of labor. When McDonalds has to raise the cost of their hamburgers to cover the increase in the minimum wage, people will buy less hamburgers. When people buy less hamburgers, McDonalds needs less people to cook and serve hamburgers. It's common sense.

Just like your post is a projection (guess) there are those who think that an increase in the minimum wage to levels you suggest will actually cause jobs to be lost and cause people to spend less because they will have less to spend.
Truth

Utica, NY

#14 Jan 27, 2014
u r a tool too wrote:
<quoted text> Of course businesses will have to pass the cost on to us. ALL of us, including ALL consumers wether they be tax payers or not. Get it? And business have to compete for our dollars. I can't choose wether or not to pay my taxes but if I don't like the prices of 1 burger joint I can eat at home or check out the competition. OR lets just keep subsidizing the welfare benefits of FULL TIME workers! That makes more sense to you? One way or another we pay. Choose.
You do understand that when the costs are passed along to all consumers, the poor get poorer don't you?
Amitaba

Utica, NY

#15 Jan 27, 2014
Truth wrote:
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You do understand that when the costs are passed along to all consumers, the poor get poorer don't you?
When you apply a simplistic, dogmatic approach to economics, you become a partisan stooge. You are on the wrong side of history. Back away from Fox News and Glenn Beck. You are becoming a fascistic aszhole. And I don't think you want that for yourself. Have a nice day.
Truth

Utica, NY

#16 Jan 28, 2014
Amitaba wrote:
<quoted text> When you apply a simplistic, dogmatic approach to economics, you become a partisan stooge. You are on the wrong side of history. Back away from Fox News and Glenn Beck. You are becoming a fascistic aszhole. And I don't think you want that for yourself. Have a nice day.
A couple of things. I didn't form my opinion based on Fox News or Glenn Beck (I can't stand Glenn Beck).

My opinion is based on a lot of reading, experience in real world business and a look at history. Take a look around the world at economies who set compensation based on a desired lifestyle rather than on market forces. Spain, Italy, Venezuela, Greece.......... They aren't doing very well.

Name-calling is one of the most common traits of a weak mind and weak argument.

"fascistic"?
I'd hardly say that my free-market view about the minimum wage is fascistic. I think the compensation for any job should be exactly equal to the least amount that the most qualified candidate is willing to do the job for. What is more fascistic? My view or a president who would sidestep the legislative process and increase the federal minimum wage by executive order?
Truth

Utica, NY

#17 Jan 28, 2014
Amitaba wrote:
<quoted text> When you apply a simplistic, dogmatic approach to economics, you become a partisan stooge. You are on the wrong side of history. Back away from Fox News and Glenn Beck. You are becoming a fascistic aszhole. And I don't think you want that for yourself. Have a nice day.
No one has to take my word for it if they believe that I don't have a grasp of the facts or that I take a too simplistic view. I'll defer to more educated and greater minds than mine. Here are a few economists that I respect a great deal.

Dr. Thomas Sowell:
http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2...

Dr. Walter Williams:
http://townhall.com/columnists/walterewilliam...
truth the tool lies

Syracuse, NY

#18 Jan 28, 2014
Truth wrote:
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No one has to take my word for it if they believe that I don't have a grasp of the facts or that I take a too simplistic view.
gee thanks for the permission but that decision was made long ago. this isn't a classroom and you're definitely not in a position to educate or grade each comment so spare us the "lecture". it only serves to amuse or illicit a sigh. nothing more. so you'd rather contribute to the ever expanding welfare rolls of full time workers than give them a shot at survival without assistance. got it. income/wealth disparity is fine with you. got it. we could go back & forth all day quoting and citing opposing views, arguing the cred of each but we know who we are don;'t we? you're an "every man for himself" worshipper and i'm a "we're all in this together" believer. you'll never hear me say "let 'em die" although when it comes to your views i make an exception.
truth

Utica, NY

#19 Jan 28, 2014
truth the tool lies wrote:
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gee thanks for the permission but that decision was made long ago. this isn't a classroom and you're definitely not in a position to educate or grade each comment so spare us the "lecture". it only serves to amuse or illicit a sigh. nothing more. so you'd rather contribute to the ever expanding welfare rolls of full time workers than give them a shot at survival without assistance. got it. income/wealth disparity is fine with you. got it. we could go back & forth all day quoting and citing opposing views, arguing the cred of each but we know who we are don;'t we? you're an "every man for himself" worshipper and i'm a "we're all in this together" believer. you'll never hear me say "let 'em die" although when it comes to your views i make an exception.
With all of your liberal intellect you don't see the forest through the trees. I can tell you've never owned, run or managed a business. If I had to guess I'd say you were a career public sector employee. Someone who deals in the abstract and with theory with very little contact with how things actually work in the real world. Your theories are just that. Theories.

I'm all for giving full time workers a shot at survival without assistance. Absolutely. We just differ in how to get there. I believe that we should always help those who truly need help. I believe in self determination. I believe in the free market. I don't believe that our government should be in the wealth re-distribution business. I believe in the American Dream. Work hard, educate yourself, make yourself more valuable to employers and you will succeed. I believe that it was the very greed you despise that destroyed manufacturing and the middle class in America. Not by factory owners but by union employees who demanded a bigger piece of the pie. Look there first in trying to determine why there is the income and wealth disparity we have and accept these simple truths.
- Businesses exist to make money for their owners.
- Businesses do not exist to create jobs or to provide a particular lifestyle for their employees.
- The profit that a business makes belongs to that business and not to the government or the collective.

How in the world can you blame owners of and investors in business for wanting to keep more of what they earn in light of the fact that they are constantly the target of people like you and are treated like an ATM machine for your liberal social engineering?

I also believe that we are all in this together. I would never say "let 'em die" or refuse to help someone who honestly needs help regardless who they are or what they believe. I just believe that everyone who can should kick in rather than sit on the sidelines yelling about income/wealth disparity expecting a handout. Yes, a raise in the minimum wage is a handout. There is no value added in the marketplace. As I said, it's just a liberal tool for income redistribution and social engineering.
Amitaba

Utica, NY

#20 Jan 28, 2014
truth the tool lies wrote:
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gee thanks for the permission but that decision was made long ago. this isn't a classroom and you're definitely not in a position to educate or grade each comment so spare us the "lecture". it only serves to amuse or illicit a sigh. nothing more. so you'd rather contribute to the ever expanding welfare rolls of full time workers than give them a shot at survival without assistance. got it. income/wealth disparity is fine with you. got it. we could go back & forth all day quoting and citing opposing views, arguing the cred of each but we know who we are don;'t we? you're an "every man for himself" worshipper and i'm a "we're all in this together" believer. you'll never hear me say "let 'em die" although when it comes to your views i make an exception.
Mr. Truth is living in a world of right wing dogma.
I was living in Manhattan in the eighties. It was difficult to maneuver down the street without stepping on homeless people.. When Regan was asked about the homeless problem, he stated there was no homeless people in America. There was more than 90,000 in New York alone. He later back pedaled on that , stating that these folks sleeping on the sidewalks in February were just free spirits, and were there by choice. When asked about his personal philosophy, Regan stated , he was a Social Darwinist. This is a philosophy that advocates, among other things, grinding the poor out of existence. Between Regan and Bush 1, the minimum wage was kept at around 3.50/Hr. The homelessness and crime was becoming unbearable. When Clinton advocated raising it , there was the same outcry from the right wing as now,(nothings new). They said it would ruin the economy, raise inflation, blah, blah, etc,
It did one of the above. In fact, historically, the only result of raising the minimum wage has been to make life more tolerable for the workers. And yes, reducing crime and poverty.

Mr.Truth, I have some reading for you. Try Thom Hartman,( a progressive radio host, that I didn't know existed until recently. His newest book The Crash of 2016 gives a different view of American History and economics. You can google his lecture on the book on PBS/Frontline. Try leaving your comfort zone. Ilisten to rightwing blowhards all the time. They are facists. I will explain later. I am curious to see if you have any intellectual honesty. Have a good day.
answeres

Ilion, NY

#21 Jan 28, 2014
google why blacks file bancrupty more than whites, there was a article printed in the New York times about this, number one reason why, BLACKS ARE UNEDUCATED AND DONT KNOW HOW TO SAVE THEY ARE OVER MATERIALISTIC! Hustle all the drugs you want, when your caught your broke, go on welfare all you want, they are staring drug testing that will be required for anyone getting the aid in the house including children, and it will be monitored drug testing, no way to pass it!!! So with that being said im not for a minimum wage increase, I own my own business and refuse to aid in the hand of laziness!
truth the tool lies

Syracuse, NY

#22 Jan 28, 2014
truth wrote:
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With all of your liberal intellect you don't see the forest through the trees. I can tell you've never owned, run or managed a business. If I had to guess I'd say you were a career public sector employee. Someone who ... blah blah blah...
Nice try swamee. I'm 100% self employed, owned my business since '83, and employ 3. Never taken a dime of assistance. raised 2. 1 who holds juris doctorate and the other MM. both extremely successful and respected in their chosen fields. my employees are talented craftsmen whom i would never insult by paying them the minimum. so evidently your right wing t-bagger intellect is lacking. not surprising. your views are consistent with your assumptions. misinformed, idiotic, drivel.
Amitaba

Utica, NY

#23 Jan 28, 2014
truth the tool lies wrote:
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Nice try swamee. I'm 100% self employed, owned my business since '83, and employ 3. Never taken a dime of assistance. raised 2. 1 who holds juris doctorate and the other MM. both extremely successful and respected in their chosen fields. my employees are talented craftsmen whom i would never insult by paying them the minimum. so evidently your right wing t-bagger intellect is lacking. not surprising. your views are consistent with your assumptions. misinformed, idiotic, drivel.
My background is almost exactly the same as yours. I also have an honorable discharge from The Marine Corp. I served in Viet Nam in 68/69.
I didn't fight in Viet Nam to support the greedy 1%,while they destroy the American middle class. It looks like socialism for the super rich and a brutal form of Capitalism for everyone else.

I would rather this country went broke feeding the hungry and healing the sick than making a handful of insanely greedy nut jobs become billionaires.

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