timberwolf killed in Westmoreland?
My Backyard

Sherburne, NY

#21 Nov 9, 2013
I hear Coyotes in my back field all the time. Very scared to let my dogs out at night. I'm in Stanwix. Will they attack a pet dog???? Or me for that matter?
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New Hartford, NY

#22 Nov 9, 2013
Mountain Lion wrote:
No it was not the state did release several about 4 years ago to help curb the deer population. in certain areas.
you are right I know a guy who shot one for goin into the barn up north and attacking his love stock dot came immedialtly to arrest the man because the lions are micro chipped the man said he would call the od the dot took the cats body n left n said have a good day I also seen trail cam pics this yr in remsen of a mom n two cubs they r there
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Blossvale, NY

#24 Nov 9, 2013
My Black Lab has killed several coyotes in my backyard. Im in Oriskany.

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#25 Nov 9, 2013
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No such thing as a coy dog... Coy dog is basically a feral dog.. Meaning a stray dog...The implication is that it is half coyote half dog....There isn't one documented case of a half dog half coyote anywhere... So it was either a stray dog, a dog off a leash or a coyote.... Now having seen many coyotes in my lifetime... I can assure you a coyote is roughly the size of an average size German Shepard they really aren't that much smaller than a wolf, and are very closely related to a wolf.....
That said mis-identification and old wives tales or drunken hillbilly talk usually lead to stories like this.
Coydogs do exist but they are none in New York anymore. We used to have population but it has died off. They were man bred coydogs that got released. The DEC has confirmed they are no more in N.Y. Coyote-dog hybrids become infertile after a few generations of breeding and that is why they died off.
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Morris, NY

#26 Nov 9, 2013
My Backyard wrote:
I hear Coyotes in my back field all the time. Very scared to let my dogs out at night. I'm in Stanwix. Will they attack a pet dog???? Or me for that matter?
I am much further south, surrounded by farmland and hear them as well. I have done some reading and although it isn't the norm, the general consenus is that coyotes are becoming less and less fearful of humans. And they are opportunists, in other words if your dog is close enough and you are not around then there's an easy snack! I always keep my dog on a leash, mainly to keep him from taking off into the woods. I have heard both the stories about wolves and mountain lions being released and the DEC saying it didn't happen. I think if the one poster says he saw a mountain lion he probably did- they look nothing like a bobcat. Oh, and the eastern coyotes are much bigger than western. The one they have on display at the new Bass Pro Shop looks pretty damn small to me. I saw 2 of them and they are about the size of a German Shepard. And they do vary in size and have different coloring so maybe the 'timberwolf' was a big coyote. I guess no one would really know unless they tested it.'They' say if you come across one do NOT run. Some people even 'haze' them to keep them away. Don't leave garbage or pet food outside. Good rules of thumb to ward off many critters.
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Morris, NY

#27 Nov 9, 2013
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My Black Lab has killed several coyotes in my backyard. Im in Oriskany.
Excellent! Can you rent him to me for a few days? Lol

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#28 Nov 9, 2013
If you got coyotes get some pan traps and trap them the pelts are going for good prices right now.
NotWild

Minoa, NY

#29 Nov 9, 2013
Coyotes are not that big. It had to be a pet wolf dog.
lefty larry

Utica, NY

#30 Nov 9, 2013
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Saw one on Halsey Road. It ran across the road. Too big for a coy-dog.
numbnuts- wolves are no bigger than medium sized dogs. read a little more and learn. it was most likely a coyote or coy dog.
lefty larry

Utica, NY

#31 Nov 9, 2013
FTW Yall wrote:
<quoted text> Coydogs do exist but they are none in New York anymore. We used to have population but it has died off. They were man bred coydogs that got released. The DEC has confirmed they are no more in N.Y. Coyote-dog hybrids become infertile after a few generations of breeding and that is why they died off.
another dumbass here. coy dogs do exist in nys. stop misleading the ignorant here on topix! wtf

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#32 Nov 9, 2013
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another dumbass here. coy dogs do exist in nys. stop misleading the ignorant here on topix! wtf
Check the DEC status of coy-dogs they no longer exist here. They lose fertility after a few generations because of differing numbers of chromosomal alleles . They disappeared from New York in the late '80's. What people are calling coy-dogs these days are coyotes. Coy-dog has just become a catch all term here for feral dogs and coyotes. You're the one who is misled. Look it up and you will see. I trap plenty of coyotes all over the state never a coy-dog. They are long gone from here.
Devin

Auckland, New Zealand

#33 Nov 9, 2013
I saw a Huia flying in Central Park too!!!

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#34 Nov 9, 2013
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another dumbass here. coy dogs do exist in nys. stop misleading the ignorant here on topix! wtf
Also coydog's inherit the dogs reproductive cycle meaning they don't breed in a specific season. Meaning that their puppies are born at times of year where they don't survive well. Further leading to the demise. DEC tests have not found any dog DNA in any samples of supposed coydog's.

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#35 Nov 9, 2013
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numbnuts- wolves are no bigger than medium sized dogs. read a little more and learn. it was most likely a coyote or coy dog.
Try the size of a large German Shepard.

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#37 Nov 9, 2013
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<quoted text> Try the size of a large German Shepard.
According to Wiki, male gray wolves average close to 100 pounds:

The gray wolf or grey wolf (Canis lupus) is a canid native to the wilderness and remote areas of North America, Eurasia, and North Africa. It is the largest member of its family, with males averaging 4345 kg (9599 lb), and females 3638.5 kg (7984.9 lb).[3] It is similar in general appearance and proportions to a German shepherd,[4] or sled dog, but has a larger head, narrower chest, longer legs, straighter tail and bigger paws.[5] Its winter fur is long and bushy, and predominantly a mottled gray in colour, although nearly pure white, red, or brown to black also occur.[4]

Within the genus Canis, the gray wolf represents a more specialised and progressive form than its smaller cousins (the coyote and golden jackal), as demonstrated by its morphological adaptations to hunting large prey, its more gregarious nature[6] and its highly advanced expressive behavior

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#38 Nov 9, 2013
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<quoted text>Also coydog's inherit the dogs reproductive cycle meaning they don't breed in a specific season. Meaning that their puppies are born at times of year where they don't survive well. Further leading to the demise. DEC tests have not found any dog DNA in any samples of supposed coydog's.
A little more from Wiki on Coydogs:

The prevalence of naturally occurring coydogs is problematic. If interbreeding between the species were common, the coyote population would be expected to acquire more dog-like traits with each successive generation.

Breeding experiments in Germany with poodles and coyotes, as well as with wolves, jackals and later on with the resulting dog-coyote hybrids showed a decrease in fertility and significant communication problems as well as an increase of genetic diseases after three generations of interbreeding between the hybrids, unlike with wolfdogs. This suggests that genetic mutations could be the problem.[1]

Prevalence in the wild[edit]The New York State Department of Environmental Conservation casts doubt on the existence of naturally occurring coydogs in any significant number, at least in New York State, despite the widespread presence of coyotes: "Coyotes and dogs theoretically can interbreed to produce what is called a 'coydog'. However, depending on how much coyote and dog is inherited in the hybrid, crossbreeds with mostly dog genes usually have a reproductive cycle of dogs, not coyotes, and will give birth at times of the year when the pups cannot possibly survive (e.g., January). In addition, there are behavioral differences between most breeds of domestic dogs and coyotes which often prevents crossbreeding from occurring. Coyotes normally mate with other coyotes and not with dogs.[...] Coydogs occurred at the leading edge of coyote range expansion during the 1950 to early 1970's. The occurrence of a coydog would be an extremely rare event in New York today."[2]

The Crane Creek Wildlife Experiment Station of the Ohio Division of Wildlife conducted an analysis of skulls taken from encounters with wild canids in Ohio, cited in The Ohio Journal of Science. "From 1982 to 1988, skull collections were made in 71 counties, yielding 379 (87%) coyotes, 10 (2%) coydogs, and 25 (6%) feral dogs." The figures do not add to 100% because of skull damage hindering positive identification. "The incidence of coydog hybrids was high only in areas of expanding, widely dispersed coyote populations.[...] Mengel (1971) reviewed behavioral and physiological reasons why coydogs are adapted for survival less well than coyotes. These included inappropriate whelping time, lack of parental care by the male, and decreased fertility."

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#39 Nov 9, 2013
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According to Wiki, male gray wolves average close to 100 pounds:
The gray wolf or grey wolf (Canis lupus) is a canid native to the wilderness and remote areas of North America, Eurasia, and North Africa. It is the largest member of its family, with males averaging 4345 kg (9599 lb), and females 3638.5 kg (7984.9 lb).[3] It is similar in general appearance and proportions to a German shepherd,[4] or sled dog, but has a larger head, narrower chest, longer legs, straighter tail and bigger paws.[5] Its winter fur is long and bushy, and predominantly a mottled gray in colour, although nearly pure white, red, or brown to black also occur.[4]
Within the genus Canis, the gray wolf represents a more specialised and progressive form than its smaller cousins (the coyote and golden jackal), as demonstrated by its morphological adaptations to hunting large prey, its more gregarious nature[6] and its highly advanced expressive behavior
Exactly, not what is considered a medium size dog. More what is considered a LARGE dog.

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#40 Nov 9, 2013
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A little more from Wiki on Coydogs:
The prevalence of naturally occurring coydogs is problematic. If interbreeding between the species were common, the coyote population would be expected to acquire more dog-like traits with each successive generation.
Breeding experiments in Germany with poodles and coyotes, as well as with wolves, jackals and later on with the resulting dog-coyote hybrids showed a decrease in fertility and significant communication problems as well as an increase of genetic diseases after three generations of interbreeding between the hybrids, unlike with wolfdogs. This suggests that genetic mutations could be the problem.[1]
Prevalence in the wild[edit]The New York State Department of Environmental Conservation casts doubt on the existence of naturally occurring coydogs in any significant number, at least in New York State, despite the widespread presence of coyotes: "Coyotes and dogs theoretically can interbreed to produce what is called a 'coydog'. However, depending on how much coyote and dog is inherited in the hybrid, crossbreeds with mostly dog genes usually have a reproductive cycle of dogs, not coyotes, and will give birth at times of the year when the pups cannot possibly survive (e.g., January). In addition, there are behavioral differences between most breeds of domestic dogs and coyotes which often prevents crossbreeding from occurring. Coyotes normally mate with other coyotes and not with dogs.[...] Coydogs occurred at the leading edge of coyote range expansion during the 1950 to early 1970's. The occurrence of a coydog would be an extremely rare event in New York today."[2]
The Crane Creek Wildlife Experiment Station of the Ohio Division of Wildlife conducted an analysis of skulls taken from encounters with wild canids in Ohio, cited in The Ohio Journal of Science. "From 1982 to 1988, skull collections were made in 71 counties, yielding 379 (87%) coyotes, 10 (2%) coydogs, and 25 (6%) feral dogs." The figures do not add to 100% because of skull damage hindering positive identification. "The incidence of coydog hybrids was high only in areas of expanding, widely dispersed coyote populations.[...] Mengel (1971) reviewed behavioral and physiological reasons why coydogs are adapted for survival less well than coyotes. These included inappropriate whelping time, lack of parental care by the male, and decreased fertility."
Thanks man. You went a lot further than I was willing to go.
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New York, NY

#41 Nov 9, 2013
I've seen some scraggly looking animals frequently walking into Knuckleheads Bar in Westmoreland. They kind of looked like stinky and unkept Sasquatches !

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#42 Nov 9, 2013
lefty larry wrote:
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numbnuts- wolves are no bigger than medium sized dogs. read a little more and learn. it was most likely a coyote or coy dog.
Take a quick trip to the Syracuse zoo and you can see for yourself that gray wolves are bigger than a medium sized dog...at least what I would consider a medium-sized dog.

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