Teachers have Cadilac Pensions?
Joey Clams

Rome, NY

#180 Aug 4, 2014
Some of them get $100,000 a year Pensions not including Social Security?
Truth

Utica, NY

#181 Aug 4, 2014
Joey Clams wrote:
Some of them get $100,000 a year Pensions not including Social Security?
Yup. Have a look.
http://seethroughny.net/pensions/
John

Utica, NY

#182 Aug 5, 2014
What a bunch of scammers!
Eddie

Madison, NY

#183 Aug 6, 2014
The state public pension system is a ticket to the lotto!!,
Bob

Oneida, NY

#184 Aug 7, 2014
I jumped into teaching for the benefits, state pension, salary, and time-off!
a low life teacher

Utica, NY

#185 Aug 7, 2014
A lot of grumbling about teacher pensions. Hmmmm, I want to recap how I became a teacher.
I want to first say that degrading me because of my writing skills is very childish. I am a mathematician, that's what I teach. I don't pretend to be writer.

I looked at different professions around the area, looked at pay, stability, benefits, how I could help my fellow man, etc... I decided teaching was not only stable, but an enriching profession ( I was not going to be rich, but I felt I would be helping the community). So I decided to become a teacher, no one handed it to me. I worked my butt off, and got two B.S degrees (with an array of honors). One in education and one in Math. Paid and passed all my state mandated tests. Paid (by working hard) for my Graduate degree (in Math). I always felt the desire to teach, and be a positive influence on students. I then proceeded to go for interviews, where I was hired against a competition of hundreds.

I had a choice to be a teacher. You all have a choice as to what profession you want to go into. My job isn't perfect, my pay isn't perfect (especially for the work I do, and the degree's I have), my students aren't perfect, my bosses aren't perfect, however; I choose it. Though I love it overall, I have the choice to get out if I wanted to. Period.

Don't blame me, or my choices. Don't make your problems (that you made), my problems. Don't take away what I chose, because you didn't. Everyone is responsible for their own choices. I wanted to teach, what did you want to do?

On another note, students are only as strong as their home life supports. PERIOD! You can be the best darn teacher and give the student all the tools and support possible while in your school, but if the home life does not support education (be for any of an array of reasons) a teacher can not be a substitute for a parent. PERIOD.
Truth

Utica, NY

#186 Aug 7, 2014
a low life teacher wrote:
A lot of grumbling about teacher pensions. Hmmmm, I want to recap how I became a teacher.
I want to first say that degrading me because of my writing skills is very childish. I am a mathematician, that's what I teach. I don't pretend to be writer.
I looked at different professions around the area, looked at pay, stability, benefits, how I could help my fellow man, etc... I decided teaching was not only stable, but an enriching profession ( I was not going to be rich, but I felt I would be helping the community). So I decided to become a teacher, no one handed it to me. I worked my butt off, and got two B.S degrees (with an array of honors). One in education and one in Math. Paid and passed all my state mandated tests. Paid (by working hard) for my Graduate degree (in Math). I always felt the desire to teach, and be a positive influence on students. I then proceeded to go for interviews, where I was hired against a competition of hundreds.
I had a choice to be a teacher. You all have a choice as to what profession you want to go into. My job isn't perfect, my pay isn't perfect (especially for the work I do, and the degree's I have), my students aren't perfect, my bosses aren't perfect, however; I choose it. Though I love it overall, I have the choice to get out if I wanted to. Period.
Don't blame me, or my choices. Don't make your problems (that you made), my problems. Don't take away what I chose, because you didn't. Everyone is responsible for their own choices. I wanted to teach, what did you want to do?
On another note, students are only as strong as their home life supports. PERIOD! You can be the best darn teacher and give the student all the tools and support possible while in your school, but if the home life does not support education (be for any of an array of reasons) a teacher can not be a substitute for a parent. PERIOD.
Congratulations on your achievements and on choosing to be a teacher. It's a great and honorable profession. Speaking for myself, I don't blame you. I blame your union and all of the boards of education who approve compensation and benefits that are much higher than the same for workers in the private sector.

Your point regarding education beginning at home or "as strong as their home life supports" is a good one. But, that's always been the case. How do you explain the decline in standard test scores of U.S. students when compared with the rest of the world. We (citizens of the U.S.) used to have the gold standard in education. Now we wallow in mediocrity at the middle of the pack. We've always had immigrants. We've always had the poor. We've always had children whose parents didn't care about their education or just plain didn't care. Those are not valid excuses for the state of education in America today.

It's interesting, if you are willing to take a look, that our decline versus the world as far as public education overlays perfectly with teachers being granted collective bargaining rights(unions) and drug charged hippies of the 1960's becoming teachers starting in the 70's.
Highly educated

Syracuse, NY

#187 Aug 7, 2014
Teachers deserve lucrative pensions, they certainly have a far more important job than lawyers!!.
Ralph Leo

Syracuse, NY

#188 Aug 8, 2014
I love my pension!
Truth

Utica, NY

#189 Aug 8, 2014
Highly educated wrote:
Teachers deserve lucrative pensions, they certainly have a far more important job than lawyers!!.
Unless lawyers work for government they have to fund their own retirement. Teachers along with all other public sector employees should have to do the same.
The wise one

Utica, NY

#190 Aug 9, 2014
Lawyers are starving because the field is flooded, that's why you see many of them playing the role without making any money what's so ever?just look at Genesee st., you have many law offices with no one around ! No cars, or customers ? On the other hand, you have teachers who work hard and get a lucrative pension and the public goes nuts!
Truth

Utica, NY

#191 Aug 9, 2014
The wise one wrote:
Lawyers are starving because the field is flooded, that's why you see many of them playing the role without making any money what's so ever?just look at Genesee st., you have many law offices with no one around ! No cars, or customers ? On the other hand, you have teachers who work hard and get a lucrative pension and the public goes nuts!
Lawyers paid only by those who need them when they need them. Nothing is guaranteed.

Teachers are paid by everyone who pays taxes and it's mandatory.

Lawyers, for the most part, are private sector business people subject to all of the rules of the free market. If they are no good, they don't get as many clients.

Teachers are not subject to those same rules especially after they are tenured. In fact they are insulated by unions from economic punishment if they are no good at what they do.

Lawyers, for the most part, have to fund their own retirements.

Teachers pay a little in the beginning but the taxpaying public picks up the lion's share of the tab for their retirement.

The comparison of teachers and lawyers is a non-starter and invalid.
Truth Dickwad

Whitesboro, NY

#192 Aug 9, 2014
The state pension fund is worth over $160 billion dollars. Ya think that money came from the tooth fairy you aszwipe? A good portion came from employee contributions & wall st. investments you touchole. And taxpayer's don't pay a dime towards employee pensions once the worker retires. Pensions are paid from the retirement fund. Get your facts straight, dickwad.
Truth

Utica, NY

#193 Aug 9, 2014
Truth Dickwad wrote:
The state pension fund is worth over $160 billion dollars. Ya think that money came from the tooth fairy you aszwipe? A good portion came from employee contributions & wall st. investments you touchole. And taxpayer's don't pay a dime towards employee pensions once the worker retires. Pensions are paid from the retirement fund. Get your facts straight, dickwad.
Not only does the reveal your lack of intelligence but your understanding(or misunderstanding) of how the NYS pension fund works says it all.

It didn't come from the Tooth Fairy. In recent years the lion's share of the yearly contributions has come from the taxpayers of the state of New York. A good portion has always come from the taxpayers.

The New York State pension system is well funded but it still relies on return on investments to ensure its' financial health and longevity. Every year the caretakers of the fund make projections. Those projections are for what it will take to keep the fund going and growing to meet current and future obligations to retirees.

Every year in every county, city, town, village, hamlet and school district taxpayer dollars flow into the pension system. That's easy enough to verify. Just look at any budget. You'll find line items for it. That explains how many public sector workers contribute only for the first ten years of their employment and then don't have to contribute again. If the system were to depend solely on employee contributions and the return on investment from those contributions it would be broke in no time at all. Taxpayers most certainly do sustain the NYS pension system. Why do you think Tier 6 was created? Tier 6 was created to take some of the burden of the NYS pension system off future generations of taxpayers.

Taxpayer contribution vary from year to year but they are always there and they always are more than the contribution of employees to the system. Since 2008 we have been in an economic downturn. The amount required over this period for maintaining the the health of the pension system has been much greater than the total of employee contributions, taxpayer dollars flowing into the system at traditional rates and the return on fund investments. When actual dollars flowing to the system does not meet the target projections the money to make up the difference has to come from somewhere. It comes from taxpayer dollars cultivated through tax increases. Taxpayers most certainly do sustain the NYS pension system.

Next time before the name calling and fictional beliefs why not do a little research. Or, you can continue to post your misinformed opinions, name calling and continue to show yourself for what you are.
Newly Retiree

Whitesboro, NY

#194 Aug 9, 2014
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Not only does the reveal your lack of intelligence but your understanding(or misunderstanding) of how the NYS pension fund works says it all.
It didn't come from the Tooth Fairy. In recent years the lion's share of the yearly contributions has come from the taxpayers of the state of New York. A good portion has always come from the taxpayers.
The New York State pension system is well funded but it still relies on return on investments to ensure its' financial health and longevity. Every year the caretakers of the fund make projections. Those projections are for what it will take to keep the fund going and growing to meet current and future obligations to retirees.
Every year in every county, city, town, village, hamlet and school district taxpayer dollars flow into the pension system. That's easy enough to verify. Just look at any budget. You'll find line items for it. That explains how many public sector workers contribute only for the first ten years of their employment and then don't have to contribute again. If the system were to depend solely on employee contributions and the return on investment from those contributions it would be broke in no time at all. Taxpayers most certainly do sustain the NYS pension system. Why do you think Tier 6 was created? Tier 6 was created to take some of the burden of the NYS pension system off future generations of taxpayers.
Taxpayer contribution vary from year to year but they are always there and they always are more than the contribution of employees to the system. Since 2008 we have been in an economic downturn. The amount required over this period for maintaining the the health of the pension system has been much greater than the total of employee contributions, taxpayer dollars flowing into the system at traditional rates and the return on fund investments. When actual dollars flowing to the system does not meet the target projections the money to make up the difference has to come from somewhere. It comes from taxpayer dollars cultivated through tax increases. Taxpayers most certainly do sustain the NYS pension system.
Next time before the name calling and fictional beliefs why not do a little research. Or, you can continue to post your misinformed opinions, name calling and continue to show yourself for what you are.
Thanks sucker! Now I can enjoy my new winter home at Siesta Key, Fl.
Truth The Aszwipe

Whitesboro, NY

#195 Aug 10, 2014
Burns your ass don't it that your neighbors are getting a pension that you're not. Typical union bashing Republican. You'd love to see all unions outlawed wouldn't you? You're a jerkoff blaming unions & public sector employees for all the ills of this country. You're an anti union commie pinhead. You should move to China where unions aren't allowed. You'd fit right in you touchole.
Truth

Utica, NY

#196 Aug 10, 2014
Truth The Aszwipe wrote:
Burns your ass don't it that your neighbors are getting a pension that you're not. Typical union bashing Republican. You'd love to see all unions outlawed wouldn't you? You're a jerkoff blaming unions & public sector employees for all the ills of this country. You're an anti union commie pinhead. You should move to China where unions aren't allowed. You'd fit right in you touchole.
I would love to see union power reigned in especially in the public sector. Unions are the main cause of high taxes in the public sector and middle class job loss in the private sector. I think unions serve a purpose but have too much power today and that is destructive in a variety of ways.

Once again in addition to the name calling you show how uninformed you are with your comments. There is nothing in America that more closely resembles communism that labor unions. It's a system where no matter how hard you work the man/woman standing next to you with the same classification earns the same regardless of effort. China is a communist country. Everyone is grouped together and all effort is for the benefit of the collective. That is also what a union is and does. I am about as far from a communist as one can get. I believe in the American Dream where if you are not happy with your situation, work hard and educate yourself. Do not rely on others to give you a lifestyle or living that you think is "fair".

Do you ever tire of being wrong?
Realist

Needham Heights, MA

#197 Aug 10, 2014
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Congratulations on your achievements and on choosing to be a teacher. It's a great and honorable profession. Speaking for myself, I don't blame you. I blame your union and all of the boards of education who approve compensation and benefits that are much higher than the same for workers in the private sector.
Your point regarding education beginning at home or "as strong as their home life supports" is a good one. But, that's always been the case. How do you explain the decline in standard test scores of U.S. students when compared with the rest of the world. We (citizens of the U.S.) used to have the gold standard in education. Now we wallow in mediocrity at the middle of the pack. We've always had immigrants. We've always had the poor. We've always had children whose parents didn't care about their education or just plain didn't care. Those are not valid excuses for the state of education in America today.
It's interesting, if you are willing to take a look, that our decline versus the world as far as public education overlays perfectly with teachers being granted collective bargaining rights(unions) and drug charged hippies of the 1960's becoming teachers starting in the 70's.
yes we always had immigrants but they strove to assimilate into our society and culture. They had pride, worked hard and kept their kids under control . The new wave of immigrants don't want to let go of their way of life and are content to live off the system and have us pay for everything. Learning and speaking English in their homes is not important to them. They want everything our society gives but they don't want to return the favor. Have you ever tried to teach an English class to these kids who can't understand a word you are saying and yet they have to pass the regents at the end of the year!!!nys education law needs to look at problems presented in today's schools. Everyone should thank the unions or kids would be working in factories fourteen hours a day. And if I spelled any words wrong don't get your panties in an uproar.
Truth Aszwipe

Whitesboro, NY

#198 Aug 10, 2014
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
I would love to see union power reigned in especially in the public sector. Unions are the main cause of high taxes in the public sector and middle class job loss in the private sector. I think unions serve a purpose but have too much power today and that is destructive in a variety of ways.
Once again in addition to the name calling you show how uninformed you are with your comments. There is nothing in America that more closely resembles communism that labor unions. It's a system where no matter how hard you work the man/woman standing next to you with the same classification earns the same regardless of effort. China is a communist country. Everyone is grouped together and all effort is for the benefit of the collective. That is also what a union is and does. I am about as far from a communist as one can get. I believe in the American Dream where if you are not happy with your situation, work hard and educate yourself. Do not rely on others to give you a lifestyle or living that you think is "fair".
Do you ever tire of being wrong?
Obviously you've never worked at a real job where the company doesn't give a damn about the employees. If you did you'd know why unions are needed. Assholes like u would love to go back 100 years when worker exploitation & child labor were the norm. Read The Jungle or The Grapes of Wrath, maybe you'll learn something. If u can break away from Fox News for a while.
Truth

Utica, NY

#199 Aug 10, 2014
Truth Aszwipe wrote:
<quoted text>Obviously you've never worked at a real job where the company doesn't give a damn about the employees. If you did you'd know why unions are needed. Assholes like u would love to go back 100 years when worker exploitation & child labor were the norm. Read The Jungle or The Grapes of Wrath, maybe you'll learn something. If u can break away from Fox News for a while.
Reading obviously isn't your strong suit. If you look back at the post you responded to I said I think that unions serve a purpose. 100 years ago unions were needed but there is no comparison between the unions of today and those of the early to mid 1900's that fought for many of the benefits in the workplace we all enjoy today. I would never in a million years advocate going back.

Having won some very important concessions from employers regarding things like workplace safety, a 40 hour work week and child labor laws unions got greedy. Today's unions have become big businesses just like the businesses they seem to hate so much.

I have a question. When I post I try to give logical and factual arguments for why you are wrong and misinformed. Why is it that instead of providing factual evidence to counter my claims you just continue to post more name calling and misinformation? I don't get that. I haven't used bad language or called you any names. Do you feel like calling me a name makes you more knowledgeable?

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