Puerto Rican "Petra: Shot

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Knoe who the other chic was he shot
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some white girl named adrianna i think
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More to the point: I worked with Petra and her family for several years. Note that she was CHARGED with a crime, not convicted. Perhaps she was charged because she inadvertently failed to keep her child safe from a pedophile. You don't know. I used to work at CPS, and if something happened while she wasn't home, she would still be charged as she is their guardian. Since she did have a prior record (for stealing baby clothes for her children), CPS already has judged her, as have the police.

Secondly, I have witnessed first hand how she took care of her children. Her home was always clean, she cooked for them constantly, and had very little time for herself.

Granted it's obvious her choice in men was terrible, but I can tell you that she was a good mother. Absolutely not the best, but given her circumstances, she was good, compared to most "welfare moms," as you uneducated people refer to them.

Does anyone else know how easy it is to raise 5 children on your own?

She was NOT given her day in court. A jury of her peers did NOT convict of her of anything.

I believe that most of you here don't even have your GEDs, nor do you intend to get one. Most of you are probably leeching off the system, while you condemn this woman. Our constitution says we are innocent until proven guilty. How many of you actually KNEW her? How many of you actually saw her raise her children? How many of you saw her searching for her son if he missed his curfew? How many of you saw her make sure her son got on the basketball team and went to his games?

Probably none of you.
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Sorry but from what I've read people like her whether she took care of her kids etc etc. should have kept her legs closed and stopped having kids because they have been endangered by the people she was acquainted with including the scumbag that shot her and tried to kill that other girl. What kind of people are these people????? really?????? And to have five kids when you are on welfare is just not right. Those kids hopefully will be ok and brought up in a better environment than they would have been in. She obviously didn't care that much about the kids when she was doing the things she was doing that are wrong.
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@What ~ What do you mean by "people like her?"

I'm not saying it's right, but do you know how many single mothers prostitute themselves to support their children? It's a staggering and shameful number. How many of those mothers enjoy it? Probably not that many.

I agree ~ she shouldn't have had ANY children if she couldn't afford them. NO ONE should!

She made a mistake by allowing scumbags like pedophiles around her kids. But I can guarantee that if she knew, she wouldn't have allowed it to happen. She was fiercely protective of those kids.

Also, she did get child support from the father of at least 3 of the children, and she made sure they were dressed well and had what they needed. She never let them skip school, made sure they made their appointments, and all that jazz. The only thing I ever saw questionable was her sleeping a lot during the day while the kids were in school. But with 4 kids under the age of 14, she must have been exhausted. Constant laundry, constant dishes, grocery shopping, taking this kid here and that kid there, watching her beautiful grandson, cleaning her house, etc.

She wasn't the typical "welfare rat," and I've worked in the shit hole ghetto for 15 years too many.

She did the best she could with the tools she had. She tried. She had a terrible childhood herself. She wanted so badly to get out of the city to raise her kids elsewhere.

But the bottom line is this: No one has the right to kill someone, nor should the public celebrate her death as if she somehow deserved to die, and that her children are better off without her.

She was very close to the four children I knew (the older one was out on her own when I worked with her). She loved them dearly and did her best, despite her own internal struggles.

I would ask how any of you on this board to think about how you would feel if your wife/sister/mother/friend/daug hter fell on hard times, made some mistakes either with or without regret, was then murdered, and heard the public condemn your loved one on a public forum.

Please think of that.
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@What ~ What do you mean by "people like her?"
I'm not saying it's right, but do you know how many single mothers prostitute themselves to support their children? It's a staggering and shameful number. How many of those mothers enjoy it? Probably not that many.
I agree ~ she shouldn't have had ANY children if she couldn't afford them. NO ONE should!
She made a mistake by allowing scumbags like pedophiles around her kids. But I can guarantee that if she knew, she wouldn't have allowed it to happen. She was fiercely protective of those kids.
Also, she did get child support from the father of at least 3 of the children, and she made sure they were dressed well and had what they needed. She never let them skip school, made sure they made their appointments, and all that jazz. The only thing I ever saw questionable was her sleeping a lot during the day while the kids were in school. But with 4 kids under the age of 14, she must have been exhausted. Constant laundry, constant dishes, grocery shopping, taking this kid here and that kid there, watching her beautiful grandson, cleaning her house, etc.
She wasn't the typical "welfare rat," and I've worked in the shit hole ghetto for 15 years too many.
She did the best she could with the tools she had. She tried. She had a terrible childhood herself. She wanted so badly to get out of the city to raise her kids elsewhere.
But the bottom line is this: No one has the right to kill someone, nor should the public celebrate her death as if she somehow deserved to die, and that her children are better off without her.
She was very close to the four children I knew (the older one was out on her own when I worked with her). She loved them dearly and did her best, despite her own internal struggles.
I would ask how any of you on this board to think about how you would feel if your wife/sister/mother/friend/daug hter fell on hard times, made some mistakes either with or without regret, was then murdered, and heard the public condemn your loved one on a public forum.
Please think of that.
Are u serious I work with the schools she let him and other men take advantage of her kid so u can sit here and write a paragraph on how great she was but reality is that's a fact and her kids how u get she a great mom her son in good shepards in a gang has open cases .. Quit lying sorry no one should die what happened to her horrible but don't sit here and make her out to be something's she's not
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Oh, so you work with the schools, you say? Well, you're obviously illiterate as well as uninformed.

What does "how you get she a great mom" mean in ghetto talk? I'll tell you precisely what it means. Go back to school and learn how to read and write. Also, I never said she was a great mom. I clearly pointed out mistakes that she's made, while also pointing out that she tried very hard, as I've witnessed it.

I spent 3-5 days per week in that house, and they were UNEXPECTED visits. Granted this was a couple of years ago, but I saw what I saw.

What exactly did you see? What, besides rumor, do you know? Do you have facts to back up your case? Or just ghetto rumor? No facts? I thought so.

She never had her day in court. She wasn't convicted of any type of sexual abuse by a jury of her peers.

As for "her son in good shepards in a gang has open cases," ~ Do you know how to say that in English?

If you're saying Raymond is in a gang, that's unfortunate. Petra moved close to the Parkway to try to prevent this. She was afraid that that's what could happen. That said, when he missed his curfew, she went out looking for him. You can't blame his mother for him being in a gang. That whole shit-hole of Utica is full of gangs. And if he's in The House of the Good Shepherd, it doesn't mean she completely failed as a parent. It means she needed help.

You can argue all you want, but it's obvious you didn't know her or her children, or her family life very well.
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I'm writing on a shitty phone making short sentences and any mother who lets men fuck her teenage daughter is scum point blank and these aren't rumors I wish they were trust me this is sick and sad but your info is years ago so once again write a novel about how great but proof is in the pudding .. U read the files and it will ruin ur night and ur view
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I agree, 100%.*IF* Petra let men have sex with her daughter, that's very serious. But it's a big fat *IF*.

Innocent until proven guilty.

Unless you actually saw it yourself, or heard the child tell you this herself, then it's just a rumor.
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First off according to this person who knew this murder victim and her children this is some sad stuff right here. For whatever reason i believe this person and even if the murder victim maybe had her own issues (ie. drug problem, picking the wrong ppl to be around her and the chilren) to be politically correct she did not deserve a bullet to the head! STOP PLAYING GOD - JUDGE NOT LEST YOU BE JUDGED!

When the author who knew the murder victim recounted how she took take of her children it broke my heart and made me want to cry and im a fairly hard of heart dude. She made sacrifices for her children and cared about them, a mothers love, even if it might not have been up to standards in some ppls minds who are we to judge how she loved her babies?

All i know is she doesnt have them anymore and the children dont have her and that sux! I feel terrible for her and the children, God bless all of them.
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Unless you have facts keep your opinions to your self. The woman is dead. Rip and god bless her family.
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Idk what story is true about the shooting but my possible theory is someone very pissed off when after him because of the first woman shot and petra was killed also due to being at the wrong place at the wrong time...just a thought.
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Petra was killed because she like so many other women in the hood think its cool to mouth off at a man as if guarenteed that the man won't flip out and kill them. Well she was wrong evidently. You never know when someone has had enough and you are the last straw on their back. Ghetto chick booty comes a dime a dozen. Not worth killing because most are sentenced to a life of hell anyways just with their attitudes. He should have been running and not shooting with lowlife women he associated with.
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Why r u ppl defending trash, I knew them both growing up I could never imagine someone hurting a child never the less there own they should both burn in hell and anyone who defends them should rot too because most likely your a pedophile yourselfs
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Yea..and now I have to pick up the newspaper and see the face of that monster on the front page and reading the article makes it sound like oh..he was a troubled person and life was down spiraling for him all this garbage..He shot two people in the head!!!!!!!!!! What a friggin scumbag and that woman that died obviously is no angel from what I read here. It's a disgrace what people do and those poor kids.. What a life.. No wonder the world is screwed up royally!! and to have to read all this crap that we should feel bad for people like this really disgusts me. Everybody has a choice to be what they are.. NO ONE has to be or do anything they don't want to or they no isn't right. These were choices they made. No way should they be defended. Sorry
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what do you expect from a puerto rican, they are hardwired to hurt,rape,molest and mess with underage victims, its a right of passage for a puerto rican to rape someone underage and do heroine, they simply cannot live without messing with young underage victims and doing heroine, they are a worthless race that is only here because they have family in prison for raping and heroine, simply put they all NEED to die or go back to inbred island
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Petra had a history of picking the wrong men with whom to associate and with whom to have children. She did the best with the cards that were dealt. She had been arrested in the past for stealing. She was not a saint. She wasn't June Cleaver and she wasn't the Devil. She was a mother who loved her children. She loved the wrong men. She was the victim of domestic violence. No man (or woman) has the right to abuse, hurt or kill anyone. Jerry McNair was a killer and a coward and should rot in hell.

Petra was a mother and a crime victim. Her family and friends will grieve for her and those who did not know her will judge her and , it appears, stomp on her memory. How about those haters waiting a few days for her body to grow cold and her loved ones have the opportunity to grieve her death and have a wake/funeral without having Petra's life trashed? There's always time to insult the dead.

Petra is Alexandra Kogut, is Krisitin Longo, is .......... the list of those hurt and killed by domestic violence is staggering. Domestic Violence doesn't stop at the New Hartford Border or at the Deerfield Town line. How about putting up a few purple ribbons for this poor woman and try to prevent the next family from having to undergo this pain. We all are part of the problem or part of the solution. Thanks.
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Sad wrote:
Petra had a history of picking the wrong men with whom to associate and with whom to have children. She did the best with the cards that were dealt. She had been arrested in the past for stealing. She was not a saint. She wasn't June Cleaver and she wasn't the Devil. She was a mother who loved her children. She loved the wrong men. She was the victim of domestic violence. No man (or woman) has the right to abuse, hurt or kill anyone. Jerry McNair was a killer and a coward and should rot in hell.
Petra was a mother and a crime victim. Her family and friends will grieve for her and those who did not know her will judge her and , it appears, stomp on her memory. How about those haters waiting a few days for her body to grow cold and her loved ones have the opportunity to grieve her death and have a wake/funeral without having Petra's life trashed? There's always time to insult the dead.
Petra is Alexandra Kogut, is Krisitin Longo, is .......... the list of those hurt and killed by domestic violence is staggering. Domestic Violence doesn't stop at the New Hartford Border or at the Deerfield Town line. How about putting up a few purple ribbons for this poor woman and try to prevent the next family from having to undergo this pain. We all are part of the problem or part of the solution. Thanks.
couldn't have said it better.
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Petra had a history of picking the wrong men with whom to associate and with whom to have children. She did the best with the cards that were dealt. She had been arrested in the past for stealing. She was not a saint. She wasn't June Cleaver and she wasn't the Devil. She was a mother who loved her children. She loved the wrong men. She was the victim of domestic violence. No man (or woman) has the right to abuse, hurt or kill anyone. Jerry McNair was a killer and a coward and should rot in hell.
Petra was a mother and a crime victim. Her family and friends will grieve for her and those who did not know her will judge her and , it appears, stomp on her memory. How about those haters waiting a few days for her body to grow cold and her loved ones have the opportunity to grieve her death and have a wake/funeral without having Petra's life trashed? There's always time to insult the dead.
Petra is Alexandra Kogut, is Krisitin Longo, is .......... the list of those hurt and killed by domestic violence is staggering. Domestic Violence doesn't stop at the New Hartford Border or at the Deerfield Town line. How about putting up a few purple ribbons for this poor woman and try to prevent the next family from having to undergo this pain. We all are part of the problem or part of the solution. Thanks.
She used to drop off Crack for her man when he was locked up.
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She used to drop off Crack for her man when he was locked up.
I think we established she was not a saint. She has not been buried yet. What's your point? Let her Rest in Peace. Thanks.

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