New York State Outlaws: Billy the Ki...

New York State Outlaws: Billy the Kid and Black Bart

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Since: Apr 09

Utica, NY

#1 Aug 8, 2014
I found a book that was being discarded from the Whitesboro library over the winter. It's called The Authentic Wild West - The Gunfighters by James Horan. It's well illustrated and it has a second picture of Billy the Kid that was discovered in 1926 if I recallo correct. It looks like a drawing but it is actually another tintype photograph which didn't reproduce that well in the book. T%his book was published in 1976. It is really outstanding. It covers some of the most well known outlaws. Billy the Kid, John Wesley Hardin, Wild Bill Hickok, Tom Horn, Harry Tracy (a member of Butch Cassidy's gang aka The Hole in the Wall Gang and/or the Wild Bunch) Kid Curry, also a member of the Hole in the Wall gang. Hole in the Wall was their hiding place, a dead end canyon that no one could penetrate.(Not sure why the US Cavalry never tried to, they would have done it). Ben Thompson, another lawman who went outlaw, was considered by Bat Masterson to have been the fastest gun of all the Western gunfighters, and Masterson actually knew most of them. He mentions that Billy the Kid was born in New York City but his father died before he ever knew him and his mother decided to go West for better opportunities. It is truly a fantastic book, based on actual Police reports, court reports and state and federal government documents, and then expanded by eyewitness accounts from newspapers and living relatives of people who encountered these outlaws. Each one had an enormous ego along with their special skills. And most were pretty funny and gregarious to people they liked. Most of them were also natural born ladies men, and had sweethearts along their paths or wives and lovers unfortunately left behind when they were captured or on the run. Then I looked up my favorite Old West Outlaw, Black Bart, who left some insulting poems for the Police at a few of his crime scenes. Black Bart was one of the most Prolific robbers of the entire bunch, although he wasn't a gunfighter. He held up over 60 stage coaches between San Francisco and Sacramento before he was finally caught. So I was looked up his family history to see what his background was and guess what, he was raised, educated, served as a Sargeant in the Civil War and his hometown was in Jefferson County New York. He lived not far from Alexandria Bay in the small town of Plessis, just 6 miles South of A-Bay. For some reason, he left his wife when he came home from the Civil War, and then he went West to the Barbary Coast as it as known back then, and became a stage coach robber or more romantically stated, a highwayman (Like the Johnny Cash song). If you consider the fact that the Loomis Gang was the largest and most successful Gang of them all, this trio really puts New York on the History map. This information can be used for increasing tourism. The New York Outlaw Trail...I can see it now. With our modern gangsters bringing up the rear, I'd say we have it locked in, don't you think?
gold

Utica, NY

#4 Aug 8, 2014
MickeyX wrote:
I found a book that was being discarded from the Whitesboro library over the winter. It's called The Authentic Wild West - The Gunfighters by James Horan. It's well illustrated and it has a second picture of Billy the Kid that was discovered in 1926 if I recallo correct. It looks like a drawing but it is actually another tintype photograph which didn't reproduce that well in the book. T%his book was published in 1976. It is really outstanding. It covers some of the most well known outlaws. Billy the Kid, John Wesley Hardin, Wild Bill Hickok, Tom Horn, Harry Tracy (a member of Butch Cassidy's gang aka The Hole in the Wall Gang and/or the Wild Bunch) Kid Curry, also a member of the Hole in the Wall gang. Hole in the Wall was their hiding place, a dead end canyon that no one could penetrate.(Not sure why the US Cavalry never tried to, they would have done it). Ben Thompson, another lawman who went outlaw, was considered by Bat Masterson to have been the fastest gun of all the Western gunfighters, and Masterson actually knew most of them. He mentions that Billy the Kid was born in New York City but his father died before he ever knew him and his mother decided to go West for better opportunities. It is truly a fantastic book, based on actual Police reports, court reports and state and federal government documents, and then expanded by eyewitness accounts from newspapers and living relatives of people who encountered these outlaws. Each one had an enormous ego along with their special skills. And most were pretty funny and gregarious to people they liked. Most of them were also natural born ladies men, and had sweethearts along their paths or wives and lovers unfortunately left behind when they were captured or on the run. Then I looked up my favorite Old West Outlaw, Black Bart, who left some insulting poems for the Police at a few of his crime scenes. Black Bart was one of the most Prolific robbers of the entire bunch, although he wasn't a gunfighter. He held up over 60 stage coaches between San Francisco and Sacramento before he was finally caught. So I was looked up his family history to see what his background was and guess what, he was raised, educated, served as a Sargeant in the Civil War and his hometown was in Jefferson County New York. He lived not far from Alexandria Bay in the small town of Plessis, just 6 miles South of A-Bay. For some reason, he left his wife when he came home from the Civil War, and then he went West to the Barbary Coast as it as known back then, and became a stage coach robber or more romantically stated, a highwayman (Like the Johnny Cash song). If you consider the fact that the Loomis Gang was the largest and most successful Gang of them all, this trio really puts New York on the History map. This information can be used for increasing tourism. The New York Outlaw Trail...I can see it now. With our modern gangsters bringing up the rear, I'd say we have it locked in, don't you think?
They say no one has found the loomis treasure yet. I have been to the old homestead where it once stood.
gold

Utica, NY

#5 Aug 8, 2014
Which there was a move that was factual about Billy the kid, but none are.
YO DREADS

Dallas, TX

#8 Aug 10, 2014
GO GET THOSE DISGUSTING LIPS AN KNUCKLES OFF THE GROUND YOU DISEASE CARRYING VERMIN.

and fo once wash them stinking cornrows.
Tup

Windham, NY

#9 Nov 14, 2014
The ironic thing about the loomis gang is that the family hasn't had any money since.and correct me if I'm wrong but I thing the legend says that they buried all the riches along the swamp between rome and taberg

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