Minimum Wage
No to Min Wage Increase

Oriskany Falls, NY

#1 Jan 24, 2013
Everytime the issue of raising the minimum wage comes up all are based on supplying a family provider with a “living wage”.
The truth of the matter is that very few of employees earning minimum wage are supporting even themselves. Most are high school or college students who are supported by parents and the job represents supplemental income. Raising the minimum wage would require employers to pay these people over $8.00 dollars per hour, when many of them, because of their lack of experience are barely worth $4. When prices rise to compensate for higher wages, these low income workers are right back where they started and no better off anyways, the gains they made are eaten up by higher prices.
So, instead of paying a sixteen year old more (and consequently having less jobs for these people), let’s give benefits to those people who actually need it. We could possibly give them money to help buy groceries. Oh, wait we already do that with food stamps. Or, we could help them with their rent payments. Of course, we do that with section 8 Rent Assistance that pays a portion of a low income earner’s rent.
I am sure you get my point, the benefits mentioned as well as others such as assistance with heat expenses, Earned Income Credits, both Federal and NYS, which allows low income earners with families to recoup all payroll taxes and much more on top of all income tax withheld, and Child tax Credits just to name a few, go rightly, to those low wage earners who need them and not to the youngster who is supported by his family and earning spending money.
When all benefits are considered, the minimum wage earner with a family is probably earning an equivalent of $10-$12 per hour. The problem is that the Income Tax based benefits are paid in one lump sum when income taxes are filed. Consequently, the low wage earner receives 25-35% of their yearly income in this lump sum.
Lastly, if you are a worker who has been in the workforce for a few years and are still working fulltime at a minimum wage job, the problem is more with you than with the system. Even at the so-called McJobs where people start out at minimum wage, they don’t stay at minimum wage for long. If you can not, or do not put the effort to better your condition, why should I make your condition better by paying the higher prices caused by your minimum wage pay increase?
fed up

Ithaca, NY

#2 Jan 24, 2013
Could not agree with you more. Minimum wage was supposed to be an entry level wage for training people and allow employers to bring people into the work force, young people and part timers in particular. This was not suppose to support a family of four, that comes later after they show some skills and move up. The new minimum wage will push the econommy under ground forcing small businesses to pay people under the table which means everyone loses as no tax is collected. Speaking of taxes this is another clever way for the gov to raise money because
as they force the minimum wage up they reap windfall profits from witholding taxes with money from the increase and in the process kill the small businessman once more. This crap has to stop. When did we go from a workforce that earned their pay and promotions to a hand out i,ve got it coming society. What ever happened to bustin your ass to get ahead. This is just another example of more bad government but that,s how they keep getting elected by giving stuff away. People will vote for who gives them the most stuff and when there is no more to give and the cubbards are bare we can call ourselves .....greece , another great country that screwed itself, when will we learn, i hope its not too late.
nys law

Waterville, NY

#3 Jan 25, 2013
Join the real world people! Most employers don't have a fulltime workforce. They force people to work multiple part time jobs which are entry level. These same people qualify for some sort of welfare. If you raise the wages then you decrease the welfare!
Agree

Ardsley, NY

#4 Jan 25, 2013
No to Min Wage Increase wrote:
Everytime the issue of raising the minimum wage comes up all are based on supplying a family provider with a “living wage”.
The truth of the matter is that very few of employees earning minimum wage are supporting even themselves. Most are high school or college students who are supported by parents and the job represents supplemental income. Raising the minimum wage would require employers to pay these people over $8.00 dollars per hour, when many of them, because of their lack of experience are barely worth $4. When prices rise to compensate for higher wages, these low income workers are right back where they started and no better off anyways, the gains they made are eaten up by higher prices.
So, instead of paying a sixteen year old more (and consequently having less jobs for these people), let’s give benefits to those people who actually need it. We could possibly give them money to help buy groceries. Oh, wait we already do that with food stamps. Or, we could help them with their rent payments. Of course, we do that with section 8 Rent Assistance that pays a portion of a low income earner’s rent.
I am sure you get my point, the benefits mentioned as well as others such as assistance with heat expenses, Earned Income Credits, both Federal and NYS, which allows low income earners with families to recoup all payroll taxes and much more on top of all income tax withheld, and Child tax Credits just to name a few, go rightly, to those low wage earners who need them and not to the youngster who is supported by his family and earning spending money.
When all benefits are considered, the minimum wage earner with a family is probably earning an equivalent of $10-$12 per hour. The problem is that the Income Tax based benefits are paid in one lump sum when income taxes are filed. Consequently, the low wage earner receives 25-35% of their yearly income in this lump sum.
Lastly, if you are a worker who has been in the workforce for a few years and are still working fulltime at a minimum wage job, the problem is more with you than with the system. Even at the so-called McJobs where people start out at minimum wage, they don’t stay at minimum wage for long. If you can not, or do not put the effort to better your condition, why should I make your condition better by paying the higher prices caused by your minimum wage pay increase?
WELL SAID !!!!!
tax payer

Utica, NY

#5 Jan 25, 2013
yeah right now instead of them paying $1.00 at Mickey d's they will pay $4.00 its not the answer people.
Small Businessman

Utica, NY

#6 Jan 25, 2013
Keep Minimum wage where it is at $7.25 per hour!!!?
speak out

Carthage, NY

#7 Jan 26, 2013
well obama health care makes business owners lower the hours under full time so you dont have to pay the health care and then you have to pay them more by the hr and hire more people paying part time
Truth

Herkimer, NY

#8 Jan 26, 2013
No to Min Wage Increase wrote:
Everytime the issue of raising the minimum wage comes up all are based on supplying a family provider with a “living wage”.
The truth of the matter is that very few of employees earning minimum wage are supporting even themselves. Most are high school or college students who are supported by parents and the job represents supplemental income. Raising the minimum wage would require employers to pay these people over $8.00 dollars per hour, when many of them, because of their lack of experience are barely worth $4. When prices rise to compensate for higher wages, these low income workers are right back where they started and no better off anyways, the gains they made are eaten up by higher prices.
So, instead of paying a sixteen year old more (and consequently having less jobs for these people), let’s give benefits to those people who actually need it. We could possibly give them money to help buy groceries. Oh, wait we already do that with food stamps. Or, we could help them with their rent payments. Of course, we do that with section 8 Rent Assistance that pays a portion of a low income earner’s rent.
I am sure you get my point, the benefits mentioned as well as others such as assistance with heat expenses, Earned Income Credits, both Federal and NYS, which allows low income earners with families to recoup all payroll taxes and much more on top of all income tax withheld, and Child tax Credits just to name a few, go rightly, to those low wage earners who need them and not to the youngster who is supported by his family and earning spending money.
When all benefits are considered, the minimum wage earner with a family is probably earning an equivalent of $10-$12 per hour. The problem is that the Income Tax based benefits are paid in one lump sum when income taxes are filed. Consequently, the low wage earner receives 25-35% of their yearly income in this lump sum.
Lastly, if you are a worker who has been in the workforce for a few years and are still working fulltime at a minimum wage job, the problem is more with you than with the system. Even at the so-called McJobs where people start out at minimum wage, they don’t stay at minimum wage for long. If you can not, or do not put the effort to better your condition, why should I make your condition better by paying the higher prices caused by your minimum wage pay increase?
EXACTLY!
How come our legislators don't know this?
nys law

Waterville, NY

#9 Jan 26, 2013
Minimum wage going up didn't effect the state negatively last time and its funny that people keep bringing up that argument instead of checking the history! But why should I be surprised on this board that people don't recite facts
No to min wage increase

Oriskany Falls, NY

#10 Jan 26, 2013
nys law wrote:
Minimum wage going up didn't effect the state negatively last time and its funny that people keep bringing up that argument instead of checking the history! But why should I be surprised on this board that people don't recite facts
The only reason it did not have a greater effect on NYS is that the Fed minimum wage was increased shortly after NYS. The fact that the negative effects were spread equally among the states still makes it a bad idea. You still don't address the arguments in the first post.
COURTESY of

Frankfort, NY

#11 Jan 26, 2013
No to Min Wage Increase wrote:
why should I make your condition better by paying the higher prices caused by your minimum wage pay increase?
It's not about you
UrClueless

United States

#12 Jan 26, 2013
To the original poster, you are 100% right, you only forgot that when they raise the min wage, they drag the middle class down further with the higher price on products.

To Speak Out, that was Obamas plan all along. Get Companys to stop offering med insurance plans so he (and the dems) can impliment a single payer health plan that will be run by the gov
dor

Carthage, NY

#13 Jan 26, 2013
nys law wrote:
Minimum wage going up didn't effect the state negatively last time and its funny that people keep bringing up that argument instead of checking the history! But why should I be surprised on this board that people don't recite facts
The last time minimum wage went up, the cost of goods went up along with it. This will negatively effect everybody.
ky

Herkimer, NY

#14 Jan 26, 2013
Yes to increase
Truth

Herkimer, NY

#15 Jan 27, 2013
nys law wrote:
Minimum wage going up didn't effect the state negatively last time and its funny that people keep bringing up that argument instead of checking the history! But why should I be surprised on this board that people don't recite facts
This is from The New York Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/21/opinion/wha...

"Senator Tom Harkin, Democrat of Iowa, has introduced a bill to raise the federal minimum wage to $9.80 from its present level of $7.25. Legislators in a number of states — including Connecticut, New Jersey and New York — are also considering increases.

An election-year promise of higher wages and less poverty makes a compelling campaign platform. Unfortunately, it’s an empty pledge: Research indicates that, on the whole, a minimum wage increase simply doesn’t help the poor — in fact, it hurts them.

A 2010 study by two economists of the 28 states that raised their minimum wages between 2003 and 2007 found no associated decline in state poverty rates. There are three well-established explanations for this disappointing record: First, a majority of working-age individuals who live in poverty don’t work, and thus cannot benefit from the raise. Second, a clear majority of those who do earn the minimum wage live in households that aren’t in poverty. Third, less skilled and less experienced employees lose employment opportunities when the cost to hire and train them rises as a result of a minimum-wage increase.

Advocates for a higher minimum wage are expert at using the plight of low-income families to marshal public support. But the poor performance and unintended consequences of their preferred policy are a matter of public record. In an era of 15 percent poverty rates and soaring unemployment for vulnerable groups, that record should stand as a cautionary tale for policy makers everywhere.
The other foot

Utica, NY

#17 Jan 27, 2013
No to Min Wage Increase wrote:
Everytime the issue of raising the minimum wage comes up all are based on supplying a family provider with a “living wage”.
The truth of the matter is that very few of employees earning minimum wage are supporting even themselves. Most are high school or college students who are supported by parents and the job represents supplemental income. Raising the minimum wage would require employers to pay these people over $8.00 dollars per hour, when many of them, because of their lack of experience are barely worth $4. When prices rise to compensate for higher wages, these low income workers are right back where they started and no better off anyways, the gains they made are eaten up by higher prices.
So, instead of paying a sixteen year old more (and consequently having less jobs for these people), let’s give benefits to those people who actually need it. We could possibly give them money to help buy groceries. Oh, wait we already do that with food stamps. Or, we could help them with their rent payments. Of course, we do that with section 8 Rent Assistance that pays a portion of a low income earner’s rent.
I am sure you get my point, the benefits mentioned as well as others such as assistance with heat expenses, Earned Income Credits, both Federal and NYS, which allows low income earners with families to recoup all payroll taxes and much more on top of all income tax withheld, and Child tax Credits just to name a few, go rightly, to those low wage earners who need them and not to the youngster who is supported by his family and earning spending money.
When all benefits are considered, the minimum wage earner with a family is probably earning an equivalent of $10-$12 per hour. The problem is that the Income Tax based benefits are paid in one lump sum when income taxes are filed. Consequently, the low wage earner receives 25-35% of their yearly income in this lump sum.
Lastly, if you are a worker who has been in the workforce for a few years and are still working fulltime at a minimum wage job, the problem is more with you than with the system. Even at the so-called McJobs where people start out at minimum wage, they don’t stay at minimum wage for long. If you can not, or do not put the effort to better your condition, why should I make your condition better by paying the higher prices caused by your minimum wage pay increase?.
What then are the hard working people who had their job out sourced to a nation wide company, that not only kept you employed mind you at half your original salary but offers no benefits. Single working and no deductions? No tax return on $24,000 a year. Higher education? and at the end huge student loans and still no better jobs. I will take that 2nd job at a livable minimum wage.$9,000 tax return when you only work part time and collect the system is mind boggling.
puzzled

Summerville, SC

#18 Feb 13, 2013
i think it should be raised i mean 2013 christ sake if u making less then 350 a week after taxes u in a jimmy of really struggling like me im 9 had to move in my moms becuase i did have a good job 10 years lost my house an all i had money in 401 k but i tried keeping it afloat . an i love the old get a job line i looked brothers every job i went in was 34 to 50 people ahead of me applying . my friend put in add on craigslsit for a mechanic helperhe had ovr 200 calls by 11 am . i been working at this crappy job for a year an i tell u by far the best paying job i found here 8.25 im basically broke 14 days a month
BS

Little Falls, NY

#19 Feb 13, 2013
puzzled wrote:
i think it should be raised i mean 2013 christ sake if u making less then 350 a week after taxes u in a jimmy of really struggling like me im 9 had to move in my moms becuase i did have a good job 10 years lost my house an all i had money in 401 k but i tried keeping it afloat . an i love the old get a job line i looked brothers every job i went in was 34 to 50 people ahead of me applying . my friend put in add on craigslsit for a mechanic helperhe had ovr 200 calls by 11 am . i been working at this crappy job for a year an i tell u by far the best paying job i found here 8.25 im basically broke 14 days a month
If you make 350 a week after taxes , that is more than minimum wage. How would raising the min wage help you?
Minimum Society

Manlius, NY

#20 Feb 14, 2013
No to Min Wage Increase wrote:
Everytime the issue of raising the minimum wage comes up all are based on supplying a family provider with a “living wage”.
The truth of the matter is that very few of employees earning minimum wage are supporting even themselves. Most are high school or college students who are supported by parents and the job represents supplemental income. Raising the minimum wage would require employers to pay these people over $8.00 dollars per hour, when many of them, because of their lack of experience are barely worth $4. When prices rise to compensate for higher wages, these low income workers are right back where they started and no better off anyways, the gains they made are eaten up by higher prices.
So, instead of paying a sixteen year old more (and consequently having less jobs for these people), let’s give benefits to those people who actually need it. We could possibly give them money to help buy groceries. Oh, wait we already do that with food stamps. Or, we could help them with their rent payments. Of course, we do that with section 8 Rent Assistance that pays a portion of a low income earner’s rent.
I am sure you get my point, the benefits mentioned as well as others such as assistance with heat expenses, Earned Income Credits, both Federal and NYS, which allows low income earners with families to recoup all payroll taxes and much more on top of all income tax withheld, and Child tax Credits just to name a few, go rightly, to those low wage earners who need them and not to the youngster who is supported by his family and earning spending money.
When all benefits are considered, the minimum wage earner with a family is probably earning an equivalent of $10-$12 per hour. The problem is that the Income Tax based benefits are paid in one lump sum when income taxes are filed. Consequently, the low wage earner receives 25-35% of their yearly income in this lump sum.
Lastly, if you are a worker who has been in the workforce for a few years and are still working fulltime at a minimum wage job, the problem is more with you than with the system. Even at the so-called McJobs where people start out at minimum wage, they don’t stay at minimum wage for long. If you can not, or do not put the effort to better your condition, why should I make your condition better by paying the higher prices caused by your minimum wage pay increase?
Reality check time.
When I was 16, I started working in a Restaurant Kitchen, for minimum wage, there were some other teenager, but there were three Older Men all of whom had families and they worked for Minimum wage.
That was many years ago when the unemployment rate was much lower. When the Labor market is in this kind of condition employers are more likely to fill Minimum wage jobs with older more reliable workers.
The reality is and always has been, some people are not physically or intellectually capable of improving their position in life, so the question is, should WE as a Society decide to create a floor that is above Poverty? I think so.

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