How about the reserves

Utica, NY

#42 Mar 20, 2014
OUR VIEW: City budget deserves OK - Opinion - Uticaod ...
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When Mayor Robert Palmieri calls his 2014-15 budget “aggressive ... Palmieri’s budget is part of the plan to move the city ...
State

Bronx, NY

#43 Mar 21, 2014
The state needs to come in and take over the city. We should sign a petition and send it to the state. Bye bye friends and family.
Utican native

New Hartford, NY

#44 Mar 21, 2014
Truth wrote:
Last night the Utica Common Council voted unanimously to reject the mayor's proposed budget and nearly 9% tax increase. The net effect of that vote? The mayor's budget was adopted as is.
Great job Utica Common Council !
When the city finances continue their trip down the toilet you can tell your constituents that you voted against the budget. It won't help but you will have effectively covered your butt with that vote.
When are the voters going to wake up and start voting to put NEW - NOT CONNECTED - people on the Common Council? Everyone there is nothing more than a puppet for their political bosses.

Don't ever rely on the Common Council to represent the voters that put them in their positions to begin with!
Mohawk Valley Riggies

Clifton Park, NY

#46 Mar 21, 2014
State wrote:
The state needs to come in and take over the city. We should sign a petition and send it to the state. Bye bye friends and family.
100% agree. It would probably take the control board three days to just stop laughing.
Utica is da best ever

New Hartford, NY

#47 Mar 21, 2014
Pure pointless, the mayor and council are useless and corrupt. The stupid residents voted them in and have to pay. Taxes go up and property values will decline as usual, plus people will not spend on repairs as the city is dead. No point in spending money improving a house in Utica as it is just like throwing money into a pit. Detroit mk2. Very simple and very predictable, wherever democrats are in power expect high crime, low property values and poverty. They are like a cancer on society so none of this should surprise anyone.
johnny

New York, NY

#48 Mar 21, 2014
i agree
bob

New York, NY

#49 Mar 21, 2014
I agree
smoreshouse

New Hartford, NY

#50 Mar 21, 2014
payer wrote:
The thing is who knows how accurate the numbers in budget are without and audit of city finances. If you want 2% tax increase only, then ask the mayor why he didn't write one.
The "audit" is in progress. When Palmieri & the idiots in the comptroller's office stop sandbagging the auditors then maybe we'll find out what's going on with city finances.
Truth

Utica, NY

#51 Mar 22, 2014
If the Common Council needed the results of the audit to make an informed decision about whether or not to pass the mayor's proposed budget then why didn't they delay the budget vote? Why didn't put pressure on the comptroller's office to get the needed information to the auditors?

The Common Council's vote was a cop out. They didn't want to go on record supporting or opposing doing the things that really need to be done so they took the coward's way out. It's not unprecedented for cities in financial trouble to go to their unions and let them know that things can't go on the way they have.

If the biggest problem is contractual obligations then revisit the contracts. The unions need to know that when the day of reckoning does finally come and a control board takes control, they stand to lose everything they've negotiated anyway. If Utica continues on its' present course there will be a day of reckoning. Simple math and common sense should tell everyone with an ounce of intelligence that.
Boys

Rome, NY

#52 Mar 22, 2014
Truth wrote:
If the Common Council needed the results of the audit to make an informed decision about whether or not to pass the mayor's proposed budget then why didn't they delay the budget vote? Why didn't put pressure on the comptroller's office to get the needed information to the auditors?
The Common Council's vote was a cop out. They didn't want to go on record supporting or opposing doing the things that really need to be done so they took the coward's way out. It's not unprecedented for cities in financial trouble to go to their unions and let them know that things can't go on the way they have.
If the biggest problem is contractual obligations then revisit the contracts. The unions need to know that when the day of reckoning does finally come and a control board takes control, they stand to lose everything they've negotiated anyway. If Utica continues on its' present course there will be a day of reckoning. Simple math and common sense should tell everyone with an ounce of intelligence that.
Change the work week to 4 days a week......and cut the fire and police departments.....cutback on benefits too.....
aurelio bianco

Syracuse, NY

#53 Mar 22, 2014
When the auditor's report is done, will city officials allow them to give their own results to the media, or will the city stooges review it first and give only their talking points to the media which will be all gooey & sugar coated saying they're doing a fine job running the city?
Budget

Utica, NY

#54 Mar 22, 2014
How did they arrive at the 8.76 increase, what happens if after the audit is finished, the increase wasn't enough?
pretend to be smart

Utica, NY

#55 Mar 24, 2014
Truth wrote:
If the Common Council needed the results of the audit to make an informed decision about whether or not to pass the mayor's proposed budget then why didn't they delay the budget vote? Why didn't put pressure on the comptroller's office to get the needed information to the auditors?
The Common Council's vote was a cop out. They didn't want to go on record supporting or opposing doing the things that really need to be done so they took the coward's way out. It's not unprecedented for cities in financial trouble to go to their unions and let them know that things can't go on the way they have.
If the biggest problem is contractual obligations then revisit the contracts. The unions need to know that when the day of reckoning does finally come and a control board takes control, they stand to lose everything they've negotiated anyway. If Utica continues on its' present course there will be a day of reckoning. Simple math and common sense should tell everyone with an ounce of intelligence that.
Because, legally, all they'd be able to delay it by was 4 DAYS. Read the city charter.
Epic fail

Whitesboro, NY

#56 Mar 24, 2014
pretend to be smart wrote:
<quoted text>
Because, legally, all they'd be able to delay it by was 4 DAYS. Read the city charter.
City charter. Second class cities. Blah blah blah. Last one to leave turn out the lights.
Cretin Fail

New Hartford, NY

#57 Mar 24, 2014
Epic fail wrote:
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City charter. Second class cities. Blah blah blah. Last one to leave turn out the lights.
Cretin buggerer. Second class moron. Blah blah blah. First one to mom's basement lap that clam.
homeowner

New Hartford, NY

#58 Mar 24, 2014
Truth wrote:
If the Common Council needed the results of the audit to make an informed decision about whether or not to pass the mayor's proposed budget then why didn't they delay the budget vote? Why didn't put pressure on the comptroller's office to get the needed information to the auditors?
The Common Council's vote was a cop out. They didn't want to go on record supporting or opposing doing the things that really need to be done so they took the coward's way out. It's not unprecedented for cities in financial trouble to go to their unions and let them know that things can't go on the way they have.
If the biggest problem is contractual obligations then revisit the contracts. The unions need to know that when the day of reckoning does finally come and a control board takes control, they stand to lose everything they've negotiated anyway. If Utica continues on its' present course there will be a day of reckoning. Simple math and common sense should tell everyone with an ounce of intelligence that.
The taxpapers of Utica ALL want the State Control Board to come to Utica and take control over the handling of the City's fiancial mess. What the hell does it take to get them to come and how much longer do the 31% of the citizens that are carrying the heavy load of these taxes, have to wait!!!!

The first thing the Control Board needs to do is get rid of EVERY Single Councilman!!!!!!
homeowner

New Hartford, NY

#59 Mar 24, 2014
Boys wrote:
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Change the work week to 4 days a week......and cut the fire and police departments.....cutback on benefits too.....
This is exactly why we need a Mayor that has an IQ of over 120, has a business background of how to put together a Budget,and start running this City like a business - not a money tree for a selected few.

If this miracle ever happened, you would see the tax rate cut in half!(if not more)
pretend to be smart

Utica, NY

#60 Mar 24, 2014
homeowner wrote:
<quoted text>The taxpapers of Utica ALL want the State Control Board to come to Utica and take control over the handling of the City's fiancial mess. What the hell does it take to get them to come and how much longer do the 31% of the citizens that are carrying the heavy load of these taxes, have to wait!!!!
The first thing the Control Board needs to do is get rid of EVERY Single Councilman!!!!!!
Except that statement cannot be proven as factual. It would be 100% completely impossible for the ALL of them to want anything when a high majority of Utica taxpayers wouldn't even know what a State Control Board is.

And by your last sentence, you don't have a clue what a State Control Board does either.
Truth

Utica, NY

#61 Mar 24, 2014
pretend to be smart wrote:
<quoted text>
Because, legally, all they'd be able to delay it by was 4 DAYS. Read the city charter.
I didn't know that and I didn't find it in the charter. The charter does say that if the budget is amended and the mayor vetoes the amendment, the council has four days to override that veto with a two thirds vote. If they do not then the mayor's objections are adopted. Article VII, Section F. Is that what your are referring to?
http://ecode360.com/14003688

I also didn't know that the results of the audit won't be complete until probably September.
I heard Frank Vescera on the radio this morning talking about this and how frustrating it is to not have current information. He said that he and former councilman Zecca had been pushing for some kind of monthly(or so) accounting of where the city stood vs. the budget they were working from. he said they met with nothing but stonewalling from the comptroller's office. He said they were requesting just some kind of brief synopsis of what came in, what went out and how things compared year to date. That sounds like a reasonable request and one that allow the Common Council to make more informed decisions. It's how businesses run.
homeowner

New Hartford, NY

#62 Mar 24, 2014
pretend to be smart wrote:
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Except that statement cannot be proven as factual. It would be 100% completely impossible for the ALL of them to want anything when a high majority of Utica taxpayers wouldn't even know what a State Control Board is.
And by your last sentence, you don't have a clue what a State Control Board does either.
I'll match my IQ with you any day and I'll win!!!!!!

I am VERY aware of what the Control Board will do - the only ones that are afraid of it coming into Utica and taking over are the politicians and all their "friends" that have been using the City's finances as their own personal "cash cow".

You would also be surprsed how many Utica taxpapers DO and WANT the Control Board to come here - and they also are well informed!

One of the first things a Control Board will do is void out ALL previous contracts made with the Unions for the majority of the City's employees.

Then, they will start making cuts in the employment - something they should have done years ago.

Then, they will start taking a look at all the "perks" our politicians are getting - paid by the City.

Just these 3 things would lowed the current Budget to at least a ZERO increase in taxes- if not a big negative!

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