Utica City Budget
payer

Carthage, NY

#22 Mar 20, 2014
The thing is who knows how accurate the numbers in budget are without and audit of city finances. If you want 2% tax increase only, then ask the mayor why he didn't write one.
Truth

Utica, NY

#23 Mar 20, 2014
ur a turdcutter wrote:
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It was not adopted and you can read the City Charter to figure why you are wrong. It was a default veto since the CC did nothing to put forth their own. If they had put forth even ONE amendment, they would have had four days to reconsider this with the mayor.
Not adopted, as that is not the correct legal term.
Semantics.

The definition of adopted in this context is "to take up and practice or use". Since the Common Council offered up no amendments as an alternative to the mayor's budget, that budget was the only one on the table. So, even though the Common Council unanimously voted against it, it will be adopted (taken up for use) by default.
ur a turdcutter

Utica, NY

#24 Mar 20, 2014
payer wrote:
The thing is who knows how accurate the numbers in budget are without and audit of city finances. If you want 2% tax increase only, then ask the mayor why he didn't write one.
Public safety, namely police and fire. Those were where the most savings were going to come from and should have happened. Its nothing different than what Roefaro did, except he did it openly because he just didn't care. He "claimed" they negotiated with the public safety unions when in fact Roefaro gave them everything they wanted because they backed him in that election. He rode the Tom Lindsey murder coattails all the way to City Hall.

To be honest, Palmieri is a much better mayor than the last group of clowns over the last 20+ years without a doubt, but more needed to be done to reign in that budget. Its pathetic to see members of the council quoted as saying "we need to use some teeth" or whatever, prior to this budget. But when push came to shove, they sat on their hands. Yeah, they all voted no maybe to save face with the people, but not doing anything beyond that, thereby allowing this budget to stand unopposed should speak volumes. In this case, its their inaction that speaks louder than their action. Anybody could have voted no, at least have some conviction and testicular fortitude to back it up.
ur a turdcutter

Utica, NY

#25 Mar 20, 2014
Truth wrote:
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Semantics.
The definition of adopted in this context is "to take up and practice or use". Since the Common Council offered up no amendments as an alternative to the mayor's budget, that budget was the only one on the table. So, even though the Common Council unanimously voted against it, it will be adopted (taken up for use) by default.
except that is not the legal definition IN THIS CONTEXT and therefore meaningless.

Brightness has eluded you, yet again.
american

Carthage, NY

#26 Mar 20, 2014
ur a turdcutter wrote:
<quoted text>Public safety, namely police and fire. Those were where the most savings were going to come from and should have happened. Its nothing different than what Roefaro did, except he did it openly because he just didn't care. He "claimed" they negotiated with the public safety unions when in fact Roefaro gave them everything they wanted because they backed him in that election. He rode the Tom Lindsey murder coattails all the way to City Hall.

To be honest, Palmieri is a much better mayor than the last group of clowns over the last 20+ years without a doubt, but more needed to be done to reign in that budget. Its pathetic to see members of the council quoted as saying "we need to use some teeth" or whatever, prior to this budget. But when push came to shove, they sat on their hands. Yeah, they all voted no maybe to save face with the people, but not doing anything beyond that, thereby allowing this budget to stand unopposed should speak volumes. In this case, its their inaction that speaks louder than their action. Anybody could have voted no, at least have some conviction and testicular fortitude to back it up.
So why didn't mayor propose 2% budget with department cuts. He is suppose to be leader of city. Also cuts solve nothing but the money problem now, not for future. Restructuring and consolidation is what will help finances and still having services to get the job done.
Bass Pro Shop Riggies

Clifton Park, NY

#27 Mar 20, 2014
ur a turdcutter wrote:
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Public safety, namely police and fire. Those were where the most savings were going to come from and should have happened. Its nothing different than what Roefaro did, except he did it openly because he just didn't care. He "claimed" they negotiated with the public safety unions when in fact Roefaro gave them everything they wanted because they backed him in that election. He rode the Tom Lindsey murder coattails all the way to City Hall.
To be honest, Palmieri is a much better mayor than the last group of clowns over the last 20+ years without a doubt, but more needed to be done to reign in that budget. Its pathetic to see members of the council quoted as saying "we need to use some teeth" or whatever, prior to this budget. But when push came to shove, they sat on their hands. Yeah, they all voted no maybe to save face with the people, but not doing anything beyond that, thereby allowing this budget to stand unopposed should speak volumes. In this case, its their inaction that speaks louder than their action. Anybody could have voted no, at least have some conviction and testicular fortitude to back it up.
I agree.
Bass Pro Shop Riggies

Clifton Park, NY

#28 Mar 20, 2014
ur a turdcutter wrote:
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except that is not the legal definition IN THIS CONTEXT and therefore meaningless.
Brightness has eluded you, yet again.
You sound almost like a council member.
Absolutely

Schenectady, NY

#29 Mar 20, 2014
Correct
Truth

Utica, NY

#30 Mar 20, 2014
Bass Pro Shop Riggies wrote:
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You sound almost like a council member.
You mean evasive and hiding behind semantics as in "I voted against this budget".
Absolutely

New Paltz, NY

#31 Mar 20, 2014
Ha
Affiliation Riggies

Clifton Park, NY

#32 Mar 20, 2014
Truth wrote:
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You mean evasive and hiding behind semantics as in "I voted against this budget".
Similiar to how bill Clinton didn't have "sexual relations"....
Bass Pro Shop Riggies

Cleveland, NY

#33 Mar 20, 2014
Please vote obama, I live on welfare and post all day with all the taxpayers money.

HAIL OBAMA.
Affiliation Riggies

Cleveland, NY

#34 Mar 20, 2014
Thanks for the free health care obama, now mammy can get something done with all the blisters on her an maybe my rash.

Plus I live on welfare an can post all day with no job thanks to my cuz obammy.
Affiliation Riggies

Clifton Park, NY

#35 Mar 20, 2014
Bass Pro Shop Riggies wrote:
Please vote obama, I live on welfare and post all day with all the taxpayers money.
HAIL OBAMA.
You're behind trashy. Did you just wake up after your night shift at the prison?
Tyolpa

Ithaca, NY

#36 Mar 20, 2014
Worst mayor in history, palmier.
Overweight Cop Riggies

Clifton Park, NY

#37 Mar 20, 2014
Truth wrote:
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You mean evasive and hiding behind semantics as in "I voted against this budget".
Yes.
NoBull

United States

#38 Mar 20, 2014
Utica Casino Riggies wrote:
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Again. Semantics. It's no different than an abstention. Everyone knows exactly what's going on. It's called "covering your own a ss". If any of those CC members really wanted to oppose it there would have been at least one amendment proposed but they didn't even have the balls to step out on that ledge.
"But the budget initially proposed by Mayor Robert Palmieri will stand because council members did not offer up any of the budget amendments previously discussed that may have addressed an 8.73 percent tax increase.
“Not one amendment presented had the be-all end-all solution,” Councilwoman Samantha Colosimo-Testa, R-6, said before the vote was taken".
She talks but she doesn't say anything that means anything. Only catch phrases and clichés.
Overweight Cop Riggies

Clifton Park, NY

#39 Mar 20, 2014
NoBull wrote:
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She talks but she doesn't say anything that means anything. Only catch phrases and clichés.
I think my view was very nicely expressed trashy. What isn't clear to you except the proper grammar and spelling which might be hard for you to decipher?
Utica over taxedpayer

Gouverneur, NY

#40 Mar 20, 2014
Public sector unions the Mayor and the Common Council screwing the hardworking Utica taxpayer yet again.
How about the reserves

Utica, NY

#41 Mar 20, 2014
I have a question? The credit reporting done by moody's and the others,don't they want to see money in our reserves? That was taken from other Mayors? Doesn't that keep our interest rates lower when we borrow? Does that not lower the tax payer burden. Sounds like the Mayor is being responsible which other leaders failed to do.

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